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Great Training for Beginners Only. 82 8.46%
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I paid too much for my Membership! 45 4.64%
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Old 02-15-2020, 7:55 AM
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haha. The Range is clear. Firing drill.
The range is set. Ready. Fire.
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Yeah, me too! Onry a dai hardu Frontu Saita wodu undustandu, deska.
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Old 02-16-2020, 9:51 AM
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I wasn't sure if others would get the thick NIHONGO accent.
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I wasn't sure if others would get the thick NIHONGO accent.


True. Many days spent at Saturday Japanese school has taught me well.

Beanz made a statement in the form of a question (desuka?). Amateur. Bwahahaha!!!
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True. Many days spent at Saturday Japanese school has taught me well.

Beanz made a statement in the form of a question (desuka?). Amateur. Bwahahaha!!!
I know, right?


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I'm a new gun owner heading out to FS in March for the 4 day Defensive Shooter Course. Starting to acquire all the required gear and (and a few non-essential items that were recommended to make the experience much more enjoyable like an UpLULA mag loader).

My question is should I purchase some sort of duffle, backpack or range bag to hold all of my firearm, gear, ammunition, hearing protection, glasses, incidentals, snacks, etc.? If so, any recommendations? Bag over backpack, brands/models, etc. Thanks!
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Yes, you need a bag. A range bag is nice because they’re typically a little more beefy, have handy compartments, and can handle more weight (ammo), but a normal duffle would work.
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but rumors have it that they're going hard line and enforce their silly 4 lb trigger pull weight minimum. Some students have been using factory-stock guns to pass the first-day weapons inspection and later substitute gussied up guns for the class. Now guys in the FS training thread are saying FS staff will make surprise visits to ranges and check everyone's triggers and, if you are found to have a trigger much lighter than 4 lbs, they will throw you out and blacklist you from the school..


Really??

A stock Glock's trigger will sure to go below 4# after thousands of rounds. What to do then?



Maybe I can check up in the FS groups in Facebook. Someone should know...


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Old 02-18-2020, 6:34 AM
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A stock Glock's trigger will sure to go below 4# after thousands of rounds. What to do then?



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That was my panic response to what ke6guj posted here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ostcount=11500

So, if this hard-azz armorer gets his way, many of us can be booted out of class or even completely out of FS. Now, we have no idea how powerful this guy is within the FS organization hierarchy, and whether can he influence FS enough to make his expulsion policy stick. But, if the prevailing economic interest for FS is to minimize attendance by class-addicts like us, this exclusion strategy can work.

The cost to raise our guns’ trigger weights is not insubstantial. I don’t want to mess with replacing and tuning sears on our CZs, so it’s something I’d leave to the professional gunsmiths. The pay-per-class structure at other schools would make gunsmithing costs pale in comparison.


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A stock Glock's trigger will sure to go below 4# after thousands of rounds. What to do then?







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Damn shame that people (FS students and trigger companies) don't test their gear, or have ****ty trigger discipline

Sneaking a gun (or ammo for that matter) past inspection is just dishonest and deserves something punitive.

I'd hate to have to swap in a milspec trigger just to take a rifle class
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Old 02-18-2020, 5:11 PM
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From the FrontSight Armory IG page.

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For a Glock - who needs an aftermarket trigger, anyway?

As one of my squadmates from ATHG, he himself passing the HCM multiple times, notes - using equipment to compensate for a training problem. ... and he practices what he preaches - except for the fiber optic sights, his gun was stock. And yeah - he's an excellent shot!!!

I am just trolling...


On a more serious note, if one is to modify his/her equipment, it is most appreciated that they understand what they are doing. I think in one of the FS media pages they showed a Glock with the safety plunger spring on its side...



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Damn shame that people (FS students and trigger companies) don't test their gear, or have ****ty trigger discipline

Sneaking a gun (or ammo for that matter) past inspection is just dishonest and deserves something punitive.


I had one of those in my 4DDHG. I was talking about ammo and it's cost, and he simply replied, just get reloads!?!

But then, it's the person's life, training, weapon, etc. Who am I to rat? Unless it impacts/impacted me...


BTW, off-topic @Mustard - coming out 24-26 April...?


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BTW, off-topic @Mustard - coming out 24-26 April...?


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I'm also looking for 2 Presidential memberships if anyone wants to sell two. PM me.
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I'm also looking for 2 Presidential memberships if anyone wants to sell two. PM me.
Are you looking for upgrading existing FS members or for non-members?
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I am currently a Diamond and so is my wife. I'm looking to upgrade to Presidential so I can do the private training.
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I am currently a Director and I have some family members are commanders, looking for a few Presidentís. Anyone have any for sale, feel free to DM.
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I thought you couldnít sell/give any membership to someone who was already a member. I thought you were stuck at that point with whatever promotion they were offering to members.


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Heading to the 4 Day Defensive Handgun class next month.

My question is are we allowed to use the 15 round capacity magazines if we're in another state? And if not, should I bring a couple more than suggested since my magazines will eb limited to 10 rounds each?
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You can run regular American magazines there. You would be best off bringing as many mags as you can to limit the amount of time you spend loading. Especially when you're on the firing line on day 3 and 4. I run 10 10rnd mags.
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My question is are we allowed to use the 15 round capacity magazines if we're in another state? And if not, should I bring a couple more than suggested since my magazines will eb limited to 10 rounds each?
I always take magazines that carry more than the California 10. Otherwise you canít refill the 10 rounders fast enough
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Iím an Ambassador member and tried to buy a President from another member here. After talking to FS membership department, it was obvious that the deck is stacked against member selling to another member. It wouldíve cost me more to buy it from another member than to buy it directly from FS. I donít recall the exact costs but they charge a lot for upgrading what you have, so unless the other member just wanted to sell his extra President to me for a song, itíd be cheaper to buy it from the good doctor.

Same thing trying to upgrade my daughter from Liberty Tree to Diamond, they wanted to charge $500. So, Iíll just wait until she is really taking classes then upgrade to whatever is the latest and greatest level.


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My question is are we allowed to use the 15 round capacity magazines if we're in another state? And if not, should I bring a couple more than suggested since my magazines will eb limited to 10 rounds each?
It is legal for you to buy regular capacity mags in NV, use it for class and, after class, block them to 10 rounds before bringing them home into CA. Takes less than 5 minutes each.

You can order the magazines and mag blocks online and have them shipped to your hotel room.

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Yup, my wife, who is still a Californian, runs 6-8 ten rounders and keeps a pocketful of loose rounds and a Mag Uplula.

She tried stubbornly to run them for THG/ATHG, but at the end she gave up and needed to borrow my 19 rounders for some exercises. Smaller cap magazines mean you drop that many more during a run and, at night, itís easy to pick up someone elseís magazines. Itís a good thing not many people run CZ 10 rounders (not that Front Sighters are dishonest LOL)


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A friend of mine said there was a student that injured his leg when holstering in his advanced handgun class last week.
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A friend of mine said there was a student that injured his leg when holstering in his advanced handgun class last week.
Incident #27

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I think this says a lot of FS training and safety. The fact there are only 27 reports with all the students that are trained there, speaks to the criteria around safety in the classes. A lot of us that take the more advanced classes want to skip all the safety stuff at the start of a 2D or 4D handgun class, but this shows that even in the higher classes, people still screw up. The only thing not timed is returning the gun to the holster. I will never understand why people do it too quickly or not think about it every time. Heck, when I do dry fire practice, where I doing a 100 draws, I still stop and think about the holster every time.
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I think it is interesting that FS encourages students to be able to holster without looking at the holster. I LOOK every time. Some Line coach or range master always tells me I should be able to do it by feel. I always respond the same: "Sure. But why would I do it that way?" My argument is that the only time I put the gun back in the holster is when I am pretty sure the fight is completely over. So, there should be no issue at all taking my eyes off the "battle field" and now putting them on the most dangerous part: Re-holstering.

Usually, after my diatribe, they just let me look each time...

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Itís not only FS...

ITTS, run by LAPD SWATs active/retired officers, encourage being able to holster without looking at the more advanced classes.




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The only thing not timed is returning the gun to the holster. I will never understand why people do it too quickly or not think about it every time. Heck, when I do dry fire practice, where I doing a 100 draws, I still stop and think about the holster every time.
This. I die a little inside everytime I see someone holstering quickly, especially if their skill level isn't up there.

Though... I can see how if you were doing a rifle-pistol-rifle transition, in the heat of battle, then urgency would be warranted.
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I think it is interesting that FS encourages students to be able to holster without looking at the holster. I LOOK every time. Some Line coach or range master always tells me I should be able to do it by feel. I always respond the same: "Sure. But why would I do it that way?" My argument is that the only time I put the gun back in the holster is when I am pretty sure the fight is completely over. So, there should be no issue at all taking my eyes off the "battle field" and now putting them on the most dangerous part: Re-holstering.

Usually, after my diatribe, they just let me look each time...

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Totally agree. I shoot about 8k rounds a year as a USPSA shooter. I dry fire about half that much. I look at the holster every time I put the gun in it, loaded or un-loaded. My finger is nowhere near the trigger. It is normally straight hovering next to the slide. If I ever have to use it in a gun fight, it is staying out until the LEO come and I set it on the ground by my feet. The most dangerous thing you do in a FS class is holster your gun under your concealment. There is NO reason to ever do it fast, and no reason to not look if you want. It's not cool or tactical to holster without looking, no matter who says it is. Finally, I can recall a few FS instructors using the phrase, "safely, slowly, back into the holster".

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has anyone done the empty hand classes in Private training? My wife and kids want to take the class but not offered until summer.
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I think it is interesting that FS encourages students to be able to holster without looking at the holster. I LOOK every time. Some Line coach or range master always tells me I should be able to do it by feel. I always respond the same: "Sure. But why would I do it that way?" My argument is that the only time I put the gun back in the holster is when I am pretty sure the fight is completely over. So, there should be no issue at all taking my eyes off the "battle field" and now putting them on the most dangerous part: Re-holstering.

Usually, after my diatribe, they just let me look each time...

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I was trained by Front Sight to holster without looking and that is how I continue to train on my own. The only difference is that after taking the THG class I re-holster from the sul instead of the 5 count re-holster originally learned in 4DDHG.
Basically, I donít deviate from my Front Sight training
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Several, years ago, my wife and I took the empty hand and edged weapons classed at night over July 4. The classes were held in the air conditioned big white tent that we all pass as we drive in. Great instructors and a lot of fun. Class held as many women and young girls as men and young boys. Very family orientated. Training is geared for all ages. If I am not mistaken, the classes ran from 6 pm until 1 am. Fire works on the 4th of July were a blast.
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So we find ourselves in the greater Las Vegas area in the week of July 4. We have the empty hand and bladed weapons classes up there starting on July 6.

Question for you guys who have been to the Fourth of July festivities: Is it worth it for us to drive up to Front Sight the evening of July 4 not to take classes but to take part of the festivities? We were planning to just hang out in town until the night before class.


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I did it solo. I did half day empty hand and half day edged weapons. It was nice to work with the instructor one-on-one. The instructor I had was the one who wrote the curriculum. I got to go hands on with somebody who knows what he's doing and got instant feedback. The instructor was a durable and experienced guy so I could practice techniques at a realistic speed (he wasn't going to get hurt.) I had no prior training so I've no idea what works and what doesn't and can't critique his knowledge or skill. I learned some good techniques. One nice thing about doing it in a private class is that the pace is faster. There is no waiting on others.

In hindsight, a full day of each would have been better for acquiring more knowledge.
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So we find ourselves in the greater Las Vegas area in the week of July 4. We have the empty hand and bladed weapons classes up there starting on July 6.

Question for you guys who have been to the Fourth of July festivities: Is it worth it for us to drive up to Front Sight the evening of July 4 not to take classes but to take part of the festivities? We were planning to just hang out in town until the night before class.


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Old 02-28-2020, 7:40 AM
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I did it solo. I did half day empty hand and half day edged weapons. It was nice to work with the instructor one-on-one. The instructor I had was the one who wrote the curriculum. I got to go hands on with somebody who knows what he's doing and got instant feedback. The instructor was a durable and experienced guy so I could practice techniques at a realistic speed (he wasn't going to get hurt.) I had no prior training so I've no idea what works and what doesn't and can't critique his knowledge or skill. I learned some good techniques. One nice thing about doing it in a private class is that the pace is faster. There is no waiting on others.

In hindsight, a full day of each would have been better for acquiring more knowledge.
thanks this is a big help
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Old 02-28-2020, 7:45 AM
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2 day practical rifle 3/20-3/21. Anyone else going? Moving to Vegas has been great for my FS visits.
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