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I DG'ed w/ a 20 ga Remington 870 pump yrs ago, other DG had a Mossberg 590? 12 ga pump
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Took the 4-day class in Jan, and only 2 DG’d - both we’re running pumps. Did the skill builder in June and 6 DG’d- 2 running pumps.

Only advantage semis have is the ability to use MatchSavers. I was the only one using it in Jan. But most of the semis had them in June. Even John Wick is running a MatchSaver now.
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Well our group of 24 will be going out in Oct - Ran into a price snag at the Winery restaurant - guess its been sold and prices went up for our private party that we have had there for over 8 years.

Anyway any suggestions? There aren't to many places we haven't eaten at in Parhump.

What about the Casino's - anyone try there meals/buffet? Thanks for the input.
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Red Sky Bbq has set up a buffet for a larger group. Not a fancy place but they did a good job. Might want to chat with them.
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Thanks AA - thats one of our eating stops - didn't know they would do a buffet for a group - I'll give them a call.
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Jerry,
Can you clarify what's been sold? Just the restaurant?
More details please. I typically stay at Wine Ridge.
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Our group coordinator was told this sometime last year about the restaurant - we been staying at the Wine Ridge for years - the restaurant always gave just a good deal for our get together - last year it changed somewhat - this year alot.

I haven't notice any changes in the campgrounds with pricing etc - still the same as last year for a single or doublewide units.
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Old 08-01-2019, 8:39 AM
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So those of you that have gotten this email, already know this, but for those who didn't the points / credits are now becoming worthless. We can't use them in the Pro shop because there is no merch. The only thing of value is the yearly $50 background check or the machine gun fun shoot.

My case in point, I didn't respond last month to the latest offer. After a bunch of last day, last hour, last minute emails, I get one this morning saying I have another chance to double, triple, 4x, etc. my account. But here is the icing on the cake.

"Here's the original e-mail I sent in July. Take advantage of it at the highest level you can OR simply select the $100 level of participation to receive ONE MILLION Credits/Patronage Points placed into your Front Sight account and I will order and deliver your Fighting 5 Percent pin and hat."

There you have it. A million credits for $100. Finally an actual value on the points/credits.
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The writing was on the wall when credit inflation started years ago with no way to stop it.

It'll be interesting to watch how Dr. P will change the game to get out of honoring points for usage at the "resort". Of course the obvious solution is to never build it.

Wondering what the next chapter in the saga will be. I think the resort/hotel theme is played out. There's plenty enough ranges. Perhaps action ranges for hosting competitions. Maybe a restaurant/cafeteria project..
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At least the points and Iggy Bucks can still be used for our yearly background checks, right?

Question: For machine gun shoots, those points can be used to buy the ammo? So at least there is some value to this.


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I use my points for the machine gun shoots.

As for the resort being built, a lot of infrastructure has to go in before a building comes out of the ground.

Based off the size of the piping installed on site it is size for a fairly sizable fire demand. Same goes for the sewer and storm drain piping. So I would not say it isnít happening as it is going in but maybe at a pace people arenít happy with.

To tell the truth I could care less about a resort. Personally would rather see it stuck into facilities and staffing. But based on what is going in the ground larger buildings and loads on utilities are expected.
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That's awesome! It's cool to see another staff member earning the HCM certification.
Now he gets to update his day 1 introduction.
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The writing was on the wall when credit inflation started years ago with no way to stop it.

It'll be interesting to watch how Dr. P will change the game to get out of honoring points for usage at the "resort". Of course the obvious solution is to never build it.

Wondering what the next chapter in the saga will be. I think the resort/hotel theme is played out. There's plenty enough ranges. Perhaps action ranges for hosting competitions. Maybe a restaurant/cafeteria project..
Having FS host competitions would be awesome. USPSA, IDPA, Steel Challenge, IPSC and so forth. They could do monthly matches along with sectional and national events. It would could be "world class". They could also do the demo days for SHOT show and other events. Doing so could actually bring in cash.
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Having FS host competitions would be awesome. USPSA, IDPA, Steel Challenge, IPSC and so forth. They could do monthly matches along with sectional and national events. It would could be "world class". They could also do the demo days for SHOT show and other events. Doing so could actually bring in cash.
Not saying it wouldn't be cool, or that diversification is bad, but I don't think Dr Pizza would go for it. The FS brand is about defensive gun use, not recreational or competitive. FS bread and butter is firearms instruction, not sports.
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Not saying it wouldn't be cool, or that diversification is bad, but I don't think Dr Pizza would go for it. The FS brand is about defensive gun use, not recreational or competitive. FS bread and butter is firearms instruction, not sports.
you are totally correct. I just think it would be cool.
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Not saying it wouldn't be cool, or that diversification is bad, but I don't think Dr Pizza would go for it. The FS brand is about defensive gun use, not recreational or competitive. FS bread and butter is firearms instruction, not sports.
That's true, but that's not to say competitive shooting doesn't help proficiency in defensive shooting. "Real world" guys bring in top competitive shooters to train them as part of a larger program. Top level competitors have fined tuned the mechanics of shooting in a way defensive shooting doesn't focus on. Cynically, I think the good doc will do whatever brings in more cash/members.
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That's true, but that's not to say competitive shooting doesn't help proficiency in defensive shooting. "Real world" guys bring in top competitive shooters to train them as part of a larger program. Top level competitors have fined tuned the mechanics of shooting in a way defensive shooting doesn't focus on. Cynically, I think the good doc will do whatever brings in more cash/members.
Agreed on all counts.

No doubt competitive shooting is some awesome training for gun handling. I've progressed as a shooter by leaps and bounds in the last year + a few months because I started shooting USPSA. 2 and 4-day defensive handgun is practically nothing compared to USPSA. TH and ATH are fun and challenging, but the shoot houses and scenarios they run you through in TH/ATH is really mind blowing. Tactics and strategy from there are WAYYYY more important than leveling up your classification in USPSA, imo.
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Car is all packed up and off to FS I go.
Should be nice and toasty this week.
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I don't know about you gents but, thanks to N.B. shooter, I pulled the trigger on the $100 for $1M. And, I made my wife do it too.
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Oh definitely.
But ask me again after 6 straight days of this.
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I don't know about you gents but, thanks to N.B. shooter, I pulled the trigger on the $100 for $1M. And, I made my wife do it too.
It's been a while since I've looked at my Dr Piazza offers folder. What's the latest offer?
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Oh definitely.
But ask me again after 6 straight days of this.

It's been a while since I've looked at my Dr Piazza offers folder. What's the latest offer?
Jedi,
the latest is you can now be a knight for 5k. It was 20k first time it was offered. You can also get in on the 5% club. That's the 1 million points / credits for $100 (real money).
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As a knight you can have 9 friends join you for private instruction. Not sure if that was there before? Does anyone know who makes the 1911 you receive?
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For those of us in ca how do we get the guns he offers. For instance the 1911 on the knight offer. How would that work for us in Ca?
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For those of us in ca how do we get the guns he offers. For instance the 1911 on the knight offer. How would that work for us in Ca?


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From the picture it is a rock island
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For those of us in ca how do we get the guns he offers. For instance the 1911 on the knight offer. How would that work for us in Ca?
Based on the past, they have a certificate for your gun. You need to give them the name of your local FFL for shipping. If you don't want the actual gun they have options for you to pay more $$ for a different model. That is what happened to a another member with the shotgun deal.
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Based on the past, they have a certificate for your gun. You need to give them the name of your local FFL for shipping. If you don't want the actual gun they have options for you to pay more $$ for a different model. That is what happened to a another member with the shotgun deal.
Oh? I'd definitely take a g19 over the shotguns Dr Pizza is peddling
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the latest is you can now be a knight for 5k. It was 20k first time it was offered. You can also get in on the 5% club. That's the 1 million points / credits for $100 (real money).
Pulled the trigger on this offer, unfortunately since my wife likes FS, for me every offer costs me times two. Im sure there will be future levels of Knights. So, more offers to come.
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From the picture it is a rock island
Just called FS, they haven't decided who they will be getting the 1911's from. I also contacted RIA, they state they don't know anything about it.

So, don't know who/what 1911, and will probably be a long time before they are shipped.

Who other than RIA, makes a cheap 1911 ? I hear the Turkish ones are cheap and high quality?
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I think it's cool you were able to upgrade. The private training with 9 friends was really the only lure for me. That would be a lot of fun.

It will be interesting to see what firearm you receive.
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Thanks, probably be a year before I find out.
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Oh definitely.

But ask me again after 6 straight days of this.


Well, what's the verdict after Day 6?

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What's their background check like? I'm taking a class in October and a family friend is coming from Germany asked if he could join. He obviously has no US passport or a DL.
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Pretty straight forward. Once signed up they have all the info they need. Looking for felonies and misdemeanor domestic violence. Donít want to be training felons and stuff.
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