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He’s going to dodge this as long as he can so he can continue to rag on LE as long as he can. |
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I'm on a union board. Everyone on the board is pretty far right, young or old. Our membership is (my guess) 60% conservative, 10% liberal, 30% moderate or mostly indifferent to politics. The first rule of Union Endorsements: Endorse a winner. You don't get anywhere endorsing a loser. Newsome was going to win the race no matter what. Cox barely ran an election and there's no money in this state for Republicans. My union did not endorse Newsome and we knew our members would not support that decision. The point of the union is to get people in who will help our cause. Not the personal cause of any one member, but the collective cause of getting us paid fairly and better working conditions. Sometimes we have to endorse people we aren't always happy with because of strategic reasons. The republicans in CA made a lot of enemies crushing our pensions a few years back and it was one of many reasons for the demise. Which as a republican, makes me sad.
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Thank you for the response. That all said, endorsing democrats (winners) in Sacramento over the years has gotten both the law enforcement community and soon, the honest law abiding citizens in self defense situations ( you know it will be applied to citizens eventually), a new standard for the use of deadly force with AB392. Despite what the politicians say, this is just the nose of the camel under the tent on this "Social issue" being driven by the BLM and progressive pro criminal democrats. "Under the agreement made public Thursday, officers will be able to use lethal force only when it is "necessary" and if there are no other options." "The proposed law also states that an officer's conduct leading up to the shooting will be considered" "And there's language in the bill that requires police to use other alternatives, such as de-escalation or "less lethal" options, before using deadly force." I am sure most of you are aware of this as it's been coming down the legislative pike for some time. This is the beginning of the end of self defense from criminals in the state and the first nail in the coffin of California's Castle Doctrine. And unfortunately what happens in California leads the rest of the nation... I respect the difficult and dangerous job that LEO's do and situations they have to deal with. I don't see how any forward thinking person could want to become a patrol officer in this state any longer with the war on police to protect criminals that the democrat majority are successfully conducting. I hope you all stay safe out there always but this is sure to embolden the criminals who would do you and my fellow citizens harm and giving dangerous criminals the benefit of the doubt will only endanger us all. California is well and truly becoming the third world county all of its illegal immigrant residents came here to escape... Churchill's words come to mind thinking about this.... This is not the end, this is not even the beginning of the end, this is just perhaps the end of the beginning.” ― Winston S. Churchill Here is how the liberals at NPR look at it... https://www.npr.org/2019/05/24/72650...e-deadly-force Here is a non union boss police viewpoint from a LEO use of force expert; https://www.policeone.com/use-of-for...tion-rages-on/
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I was told that by a detective with HBPD.
Please quote me in this thread as saying LEO's are all bad...All I did was question why every LEO (but two) I have met is a conservative pro gun hard on crime conservative and say all the LEO's they work with are too and yet they let their union bosses support the democrats they hate, in the name of the rank and file. I am trying to understand the disconnect.
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Well, after 3 pages you have finally answered the question. So based on the statement of one cop (who is not part of AOCDS), and absent any official statement from AOCDS, do you still believe they supported Newsome? I couldn’t find any official endorsement in anything from AOCDS or Newsome. Don’t you think he would use that endorsement in his campaign?
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I find the OP's narrative compelling. He is expressing his frustration with law enforcement unions contributing to the decline of Public Safety and civil liberties. Serious issues. Contending that the rank-and-file are not to blame for the actions of their Union is weak. From all the commentary here I have tentatively concluded that the rank-and-file are ignoring their culpability because of narcissism or greed. I am a law-abiding conservative who regularly defends LE in public conversation when leftists offer their opinions. If/when I and others like me are persuasive in swaying opinion, it makes your jobs safer and less confrontational. Why in the world did the OP not get responses conceding that he has valid concerns? Because they are, and you guys know this, otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive. We should all be on the same page, as both sides have the utmost respect for the law and those who uphold it. In stark contrast, the politicians that your union helps to elect - do not. Last edited by isntzen; 06-13-2019 at 3:42 AM.. |
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I’m sure I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again.
My association and many around me do not support Democrats. So there’s that. I, personally, haven’t voted for a Democrat in quite some time. So there’s that. There is still the burden of proof that OCSD’s association supports Democrats. So, instead of casting a nice blanket over all LEOs, how about actually showing some proof and going directly to the agency themselves? If they are in your area, you are their constituents and have a right to know. Moreso with a Sheriff’s Office since they’re elected. |
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How is the OP on target? He specifically accused AOCDS of supporting Gavin along with other Democrats. He has failed to produce any evidence supporting his claim. His post was not about LEO associations in general. He pointed out one group and falsely accused them.
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FU on a few different levels - welcome to Ignore. ::click::
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The fact of the matter is it’s not as cut and dried as the OP and others think it is. While we often disagree with those running our unions and associations, it is they that will have our back when the powers that be decide your the one that needs to be the scapegoat. It’s much easier to discipline an officer or two, then explain to the community or higher that what they did was just and warranted. They are the ones that will make sure your rights are not violated, they will get you legal representation. In this day and age when wearing a badge means you are walking on political eggshells, your career and your family’s livelyhood is on the line everyday. Are the non-LEO people posting in this thread gonna have your back, no they are not. They might post in a forum ‘oh that’s too bad’ but that’s the extent of it. Real easy for those not in the crosshairs to say how come you let this and that happen, but I guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot they would see it in a different light.
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Considering only 44% of the registered voters in CA are Democrats, blame for the current political situation can be applied all around. Nobody has said LE unions and associations are THE problem, but they are certainly not without culpability in the decline here. From a civi’s point of view, it is just particularly frustrating and ironic that collective LE would in any way contribute to the erosion of civil liberties and public safety. Last edited by isntzen; 06-13-2019 at 5:25 PM.. |
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Since you don't have first hand knowledge of the inner workings and conflicts between union/association heads and the rank and file you wouldn't realize how foolish your comment is.
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Either you refuse to or just don't want to understand that a "Union/Association" per se cannot vote. It is the membership who goes to the ballot box. Sans the examples given in my above post, the membership routinely votes contrary to what the U or A suggests. Believe it or not, that is reality.
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Never needed to "consider taking back [my] union." It never went away. |
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Still harping on "all" I see. |
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I think that this used to be the case. With the influx of officers with completely different thought processes and value systems, I'm not so sure anymore. What support do you have for this statement? |
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Here's something I've written before regarding the ACTUAL power of LE unions
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I have muddled my way thru some of this thread and the common theme for a couple of members is to post stuff in violation of the rules of this specialty forum. To make it easy for them I will paste them here:
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Read these rules and follow them to a "T" or one day you will search for the Leo forum and you will be unable to find it. It won't be available to you to view or post in. If you don't wish for this to occur, then toe the line. This is your only warning. I am not going to post the member's names because when they don't see the forum anymore, they will know it was them who I was referring to. I will peruse this particular thread now to ensure things are going well. Carry on. |
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