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It was Ammo brothers. The real issue is that it's a mothers-day gift for my wife.
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If BATF and DOJ already agree that "current" CDL is GTG for ID.
A FFL/CFDL...... "REQUIRING" that additional proof be presented before they will fulfill their legal contractual obligation to deliver your property. That is an arbitrary decision on the part of the dealer. Not supported by any state or federal statute. Making it an "extra legal" requirement. Which also leaves the dealer that made the extra legal arbitrary decision to deny you your lawful property. Ripe for a spanking in civil court for breach of contract. |
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It is ultimately CADOJ's responsibility to determine if a prospective purchaser is a legal resident or not based on the information provided on DROS and their own databases. It is not the responsibility or legal requirement of the FFL to determine legal residency prior to DROS. I am the manager of an LGS and I have spoke to DOJ BOF personally regarding this.
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For what it’s worth I just bought some powder today at my ffl , she (the owner) assured me that real id is not required to buy a firearm and will not be required according to a letter they recieved from atf! Good cause I need another one soon.
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I have one of the Real ID licenses for which the DMV required only one proof of residency in violation of U.S. DHS regulations.
And today, I received a letter from the DMV which asks me to check a box signifying that my address is still the same, to sign and date the letter, and return it in an enclosed postage paid envelope. Supposedly that will fix it, we shall see. |
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Two (2) Proofs of Residency Required Californians who obtained a federal compliant REAL ID driver license (DL) or identification (ID) card by providing only one proof of California residency when they applied can expect to receive a letter from the DMV explaining how to satisfy the second proof of residency requirement. The DMV began mailing letters in late May 2019. When cardholders receive the letter, they will simply need to verify their address by checking the box confirming that the mailing address is correct, sign and date the document and send it back to the DMV in the prepaid envelope provided. Taking this action will satisfy the second residency requirement. NOTE: Cardholders who have moved to a new address since applying for a REAL ID DL/ID, may need to provide two proofs of California residency for their new address. If a customer’s REAL ID DL/ID card does not expire before the REAL ID enforcement date of October 1, 2020, the federal government should accept it to fly within the United States and enter secure federal facilities and military bases. However, for individuals whose REAL ID driver license or identification card expires before October 1, 2020, the cardholder will need to provide the DMV with a second residency document at the time of their renewal.
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TODAY SHE GOT THE SAME LETTER MENTIONED. After using 3 forms of valid residence proof. Her then unexpired CDL, Passport, and LA Cnty Assessors Prop Tax Bill. Likely assumption is that they are again wasting millions of tax dollars by sending unnecessary letters to everyone. |
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That is why she received the letter. I only showed them one document when I visited last fall, which is why I received the letter. |
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Received the same letter. Checked the box and returned the form.
My wife came up for renewal after the SNAFU between US DHS and CA came to light - she was required to bring two proofs of residence. I was only required to bring one. Had I needed to, I could have provided two of course. Would have pissed me off if I was required to show up in person again, since my Real ID process wasn't smooth sailing - first Real ID came back with no motorcycle license - DMV's bad for not realizing I had both C and M1 and who would just voluntarily surrender a class of license absent some reason; and *my* bad for not noticing on the temp license that they dropped the M1. So I already had to pay two visits to DMV for a Real ID that might be deficient under the Feds rules. My local DMVs are overrun with folks needing to do something in person and appts are months out, so I was not looking forward to showing up at 7 AM or earlier again just to get a spot in line sufficient to get in and out before lunch.
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I received my Real ID a week after my DMV appointment, which took 45 minutes.
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My ReadID appointment was May 16. Took less than an hour. Got it in the mail a week later. IIRC, I provided two forms of residency--- PG&E bill & vehicle registration.
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"PASSPORT or PASSPORT CARD" are clearly acceptable to prove US RESIDENCY and Identity. Because they are listed on the Ca DMV REAL-ID website. ASMOF, it is the very first item on the list. Quote:
Again proving asininity of DMV..........current Ca DL meets the criteria of underlined sentence opening above quote. But isn't on the list. Good enough to buy a gun, but not board a plane. She also filled out and presented this. All duly signed confirmed and accepted by the turd behind the counter. Quote:
Expecting the worst of our DMV drones. She brought multiples from all the lists. But was told they were not needed. Such as her SSI-1099. Anything having to do with the corrupt worthless waste of sperm, PubSector Union DMV employees is destined to become a CF from the get go. |
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I used vehicle registration and voter id postcard, had an appointment and the process went very smoothly.
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FWIW, I took my Son to the DMV on a Saturday about a month ago to get his drivers permit. It was about 2:30pm and we had no appointment. There were twice as many employees as there were customers. We were in and out in no time.
I would of thought differently but one of the gals we talked to said it always like that on Saturday afternoons.
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I challenged this right when this real ID nonsense started and not once did I need real ID. I used to be a permanent resident/green card holder, who bought a lot of guns. You don't need to be a citizen to buy a gun, which also proves you don't need real ID. |
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So my question: My CDL does not expire till next year (2020), so how would this new ID work if I won't get the "real" ID till next year ? Can I use my US Passport or US Passport card in lieu of the real ID in the interim to buy a gun ??? To fly domestically, I know that I can use my old style ID with a passport to still board a flight.... |
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Permanent Residents/Green Card holders are treated as citizens for firearms purposes. Their credentials serve as their "right to be here" document when accompanied with an FLA ID/DL. Persons here otherwise are treated the same as felons and cannot acquire or possess firearms and ammunition unless they have a valid hunting license. You can challenge the FFL, but the FFL has every right to apply their policy and denying you a transfer. |
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Please take note that a Ca-DL, that is ALSO a Real-ID for Fed use. Is a multi function document. Incorporating both State/Fed requirements. SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE BOTH. A valid passport suffices for REAL-ID Fed. requirements. So obviously the Feds don't give a crap where you live. As long as you are a LEGAL resident of US. Also read and consider ALL of the post. And referenced previous posts by me on the subject. She provided multiples of all required documentation for both Fed/State requirements. It was the incompetent worthless waste of sperm PubSec Union Drone employee of DMV that screwed it all up. And failed to properly include that documentation. Which was also the opinion of the DMV Supervisor that supposedly cleared her for CaREAL ID DL over 1/2 a yr ago. She already got the PROPERLY documented REAL ID. That is again, the basis for my opinion that DMV is just wasting more money trying to "after the fact" cover their worthless azzes by sending unneeded letters to people who already have VALID REAL ID Ca DL. Last yr after multiple DMV incompetence scandals. They got an additional 70 MILLION tax dollars. So they could improve performance. Just more of the Dem agenda of throwing good money after bad, without any noticeable changes in performance. |
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Just like Sheriff Sniff of RivCo did last yr. |
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1) Your identity. 2) Your lawful presence in the U.S. 3) Your address of primary residence A passport only establishes (1) & (2), you need to provide two other documents for (3). The documents for (3) must contain the name and address which are going on the Real ID. A passport does not satisfy (3). |
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Anything can happen in civil. Since this measure is a suggested policy by DOJ, FFL's are good and are acting on good faith. It's not like this is refusing to bake a cake or anything. Of course, it is your prerogative to spend as much as you'd like chasing civil. I suppose you're going to tell FFL's that they also have to perform PPT's as well when they don't? |
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An FFL that does not sell handguns is absolved from a PPT of a handgun. See the sticky in the FFL forum, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=725126, especially the note about PC 26825.
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Sorry, but (3) is not a state requirement, it is a federal requirement. See 6 CFR 37.11 (f).
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"Suggested policy by DOJ". Isn't worth spit when it comes to FFLs or anyone else. Any FFL that sucks up to the DOJ's suggestion, and arbitrarily adopts and enforces "extra legal" POLICY. Is not acting in good faith. And are afforded no legal immunity from following the laws "as written", when denying citizens their rights. Where MY RIGHTS ARE CONCERNED. Rest assured that I am just that cantankerous old PRO 2A advocate. That will gladly SUE THE SHORTS off of any FFL that arbitrarily adopts, or enforces any "extra legal" policy that denies me my rights. |
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Just a heads up in case folk here haven't been looking in the CA 2A forum:
CA DoJ has proposed Emergency Regulations concerning this, and Real IDs (or older ones without "Federal Limits Apply" wording on them) cards will be required unless the person wants to present supporting documentation with their "Federal Limits Apply" IDs. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1538978 Comment period is 5 days, I think approval/denial will be no later than 30 after that. |
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Yeah basically DOJ is taking the stance that leaving it as a guideline isn't working out, as stated in their Emergency Findings doc. The arguments above kind of echo that. Gonna do some selective copy-paste:
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And turned it into such a ridiculously convoluted Cluster Fudge. That now DOJ is declaring it an emergency. The same leftist libs that control DOJ. Are afraid a few guns might end up in prohibited hands. But see no problem when they unleash tens of thousands of felons back on the street to victimize law abiding citizens. Method to Madness.............Leftist Dems want felons released from prison. Same leftist Dems, want same felons to be allowed to vote. Leftist Dems just created tens of thousands MORE Dem Voters. Who will vote against 2A at every opportunity. After all, as career criminals. The last thing these newly minted career criminal voters want is armed citizens. They, like their Dem benefactors want unarmed victims. |
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a. Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual transferee/buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual transferee/buyer, the licensee cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you. Exception: If you are picking up a repaired firearm(s) for another person, you are not required to answer 11.a. and may proceed to question 11.b. (See Instructions for Question 11.a.) |
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From the ATF Reference Guide: Where a person purchases a firearm with the intent of making a gift of the firearm to another person, the person making the purchase is indeed the true purchaser. There is no straw purchaser in these instances. In the above example, if Mr. Jones had bought a firearm with his own money to give to Mr. Smith as a birthday present, Mr. Jones could lawfully have completed Form 4473. The use of gift certificates would also not fall within the category of straw purchases. The person redeeming the gift certificate would be the actual purchaser of the firearm and would be properly reflected as such in the dealer's records. ETA: Also, from the instructions on Form 4473, for line 11a: A person is also the actual transferee/buyer if he/she is legitimately purchasing the firearm as a bona fide gift for a third party. A gift is not bona fide if another person offered or gave the person completing this form money, service(s), or item(s) of value to acquire the firearm for him/her, or if the other person is prohibited by law from receiving or possessing the firearm. Last edited by mrdd; 06-18-2019 at 3:31 AM.. |
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California is now considered compliant with the RealID act, according to the DHS website.
The last holdouts are: Oregon, Oklahoma, Kentucky, New Jersey, Maine, and American Samoa. |
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