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Old 06-02-2018, 11:33 AM
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Default Santa Clara County Sheriff

Strange not much discussion about SCC Sheriff, but I guess we always have some craptastic choices year after year. Anything other than the corrupt Laurie Smith though, please... 5 terms of this nonsense is a testament to how uninformed our local voters are.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/...decade-tenure/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/...-laurie-smith/

The local associations and media seem to stand with the former Undersheriff John Hirokawa, but he doesn't seem like someone who is going to anything for the 2A around here (although it can't get much worse, eh?). https://www.johnhirokawa.com/

Seems Joe La Jeunesse is one of the only ones taking a clear stand on the 2A: https://votejoeforsheriff.com/issues/

I'll probably go with Joe.
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Yeah, I was pondering the same thing, and also settled on Joe as the "less-bad" option compared to incumbent Sheriff Laurie Smith.

I also voted against the Persky recall, because I don't want any CA judge issuing a pro-2A ruling to fear the sort of voter backlash that Persky is currently facing from the Liberal/Progressive mob.

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Runoff election between Hirokawa and Smith in November

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/...early-returns/

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With 41 percent of the vote counted, amounting to over 126,000 votes,
Smith garnered 45.5 percent, followed by
Hirokawa with 30.4 percent,
La Jeunesse with 12 percent,
Salcido with 8 percent, and Monica with 4.1 percent.
I suppose the not-Smith votes will mostly go to Hirokawa, so he may win.
But either way CCW permits will be status quo after the runoff election. No soup for you.
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Heard that pd/sd recommended Smith
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Runoff election between Hirokawa and Smith in November

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/06/...early-returns/



I suppose the not-Smith votes will mostly go to Hirokawa, so he may win.
But either way CCW permits will be status quo after the runoff election. No soup for you.
When there's a viable challenger, the incumbent will be more open to making deals to win.

Since Hirokawa is attacking Smith from the Left, smearing her with Trump, Smith needs to consolidate her support among the Right while not alienating the Middle. She can do that by quietly issuing more CCWs, without making a big fuss about it.

Hirokawa will clamp down even further on CCWs than Smith.

Too bad there isn't a local, pro 2nd A group on good terms with Smith to reach out to her....
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i voted la jeunessee. military background. pro 2a.

problem is, neither me or my wifes ballots have been counted yet...
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Smith will probably win. Hirokawa looks terrible, no thanks.
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Santa Clara County sheriff candidates trade barbs, revive racist-text scandal at first general election debate
Five-term incumbent Santa Clara County Sheriff Laurie Smith and former Undersheriff John Hirokawa square off at NAACP forum ahead of rare runoff race


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The two also debated how the office issues concealed-carry weapons permits in the county. Smith has been accused of playing politics when deciding who receives the hard-to-get gun privilege.

Hirokawa said he “wants to take politics out of concealed-carry permits,” while Smith defended her practices, saying she has been judicious and doles them out based on an applicant having a “good defined need.”
More at: https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...ection-debate/

Two observations: (1) the only way to "take politics out of concealed-carry permits" is to gut the GC requirement by making SD = GC. Is that what Hirokawa will do? Has anyone contacted his campaign to ask how he intends to "take politics out of concealed-carry permits"?

(2) If Smith is defending her current practices, don't expect her to change her ways. Unless Santa Clara Co folk step up and use the tactics San Diego Co Gun Owners did to get Gore to liberalize issuance, it probably won't happen with Smith. See here for what SDCGO did: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=22052537
If you folk in Santa Clara Co want CCWs, time to donate $$$ and volunteer to help out Hirokawa's campaign.
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Just over 6 weeks until the election. Less than that for early/mail in ballots.

Santa Clara county is the most populous NorCal county with 1.8M residents. Yet no CGNers are posting saying they're getting involved to help Hirokawa beat Smith to try to increase CCW issuance? Don't you want CCWs?

You can read about Smith's latest political vulnerability due to regularly being over budget, especially with overtime pay, here:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/...-spending/amp/
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Remember: people may go to the range or local gun shops only once per month, if that. So you've got to get permission from those places and pro-Hirokawa materials up at them ASAP to have the maximum impact.

If you've never helped with a political campaign before and wonder what Hirokawa might need or ask of you, here's a list I found on Tom Lopez's campaign website (he won for sheriff of Yolo Co) where you click on options you're willing to do:

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List me as an endorser *
How would you like to be publicly listed?
Please select your description: *

I will walk precincts *

I will make phone calls *

I will host a house party *

I will post a yard sign *

I will write letters *
From: https://tomlopez4sheriff.com/join-us/

If you're a total newbie, Hirokawa's current people will help you get up to speed.

If you're too afraid to help out, when the SHTF you'll be too afraid to actually draw down on a BG and pull the trigger....
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Here's his official webpage: https://www.johnhirokawa.com/ and Facebook page; https://www.facebook.com/hirokawaforsheriff/

At the bottom, is the "Get involved" sign up.

I'm contacting today, will post back what they say about CCW.

**Gilroy visit- Hirakowa is speaking in town on Sept 26/6-8pm, the addy is on his webpage under "Events" tab.
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Less than a month to go until the Nov 6th election.

No real activity by CGNers (yours truly excepted) in trying to replace Smith with Hirokawa....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=307

I guess Santa Clara Co CGNers don't want CCWs.
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We voted hirokawa. He's another flaming liberal like everyone else in the bay area but chances of displacing him after one term with someone more conservative leaning and more ccw friendly will be easier than it will be to replace the embedded, corrupt smith.
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We voted hirokawa. He's another flaming liberal like everyone else in the bay area but chances of displacing him after one term with someone more conservative leaning and more ccw friendly will be easier than it will be to replace the embedded, corrupt smith.
Not necessarily.

If Hirokawa wins, he'll be "embedded": the incumbent who easily raises support to win re-election. While Smith is getting up in years and may run once more, he's relatively young and could easily run for 4 or 5 more terms.

Be careful what you wish for....
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Personally I am going with Hirokawa.

We know exactly how Smith will be on CCW's for another term, whereas we don't know for sure how he will be.

I will take a slight chance over no chance every time.
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I just messaged (on Facebook) John Hirokawa regarding his policy on issuing concealed carry permits. He responded immediately with this comment:
"Unlike Laurie Smith, who uses her sole discretion to issue CCW permits to reward campaign contributors, I will implement an independent review committee who will review applications and make recommendations on who should and shouldn’t receive CCW permits based upon uniform criteria."
This has to be an improvement over Smith.
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I just messaged (on Facebook) John Hirokawa regarding his policy on issuing concealed carry permits. He responded immediately with this comment:
"Unlike Laurie Smith, who uses her sole discretion to issue CCW permits to reward campaign contributors, I will implement an independent review committee who will review applications and make recommendations on who should and shouldn’t receive CCW permits based upon uniform criteria."
This has to be an improvement over Smith.
So, instead of Santa Clara being "dark red" for the next 4 to 8 years, it will be "light red" for the next 20 to 24 years.... Whatever. Good luck!

Just pray a Trump packed SCOTUS finally delivers us a RBA in public and "strict scrutiny" standard of review in the next 2 to 3 years.
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I just messaged (on Facebook) John Hirokawa regarding his policy on issuing concealed carry permits. He responded immediately with this comment:
"Unlike Laurie Smith, who uses her sole discretion to issue CCW permits to reward campaign contributors, I will implement an independent review committee who will review applications and make recommendations on who should and shouldn’t receive CCW permits based upon uniform criteria."
This has to be an improvement over Smith.
It is interesting that he did not spell out what that uniform criteria would be. It would be good if self defense satisfied the good cause requirement as it does in my and many other counties. Maybe it would be helpful to point out that the refusal to issue CCWs to the residents of his county does not prevent those of us who live in other counties with less restrictive criteria from carrying in Santa Clara county.
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I asked:
Two more questions, John. How will the CCW permit review committee members be selected? Who will determine the uniform criteria? (Are these state mandated?)

John Hirokawa answered:
We are going to work on the uniform criteria with all stakeholders interested in the issue.
My vision or my plan would be to have a group of Sheriff's Office staff and community members to come up with the qualifications and process for the CCW. And another committee to select who should be issued a CCW based on need and just cause. This is in total contrast to the current practice of Laurie Smith selecting who does or does not receive a CCW, usually based upon contributing to her campaign. And to answer the last part of the question, there are no state mandates of how a Sheriff or Police Chief issues CCW's other than the individual applying may NOT be a felon. Thanks, John
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So now you must pass through no less than two separate committees to get a CCW if he wins?
I am voting for him, but it seems that he is simply extricating himself from a difficult position, instead of taking a stance.
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I think he is saying the first committee would determine the process and uniform criteria. Done. Once that was decided, the second committee would vote on whether each applicant met the requirements.
Yes, it sounds like he is not taking a stand, but is focusing on transparency and community involvement for his campaign. Knowing the local community's predominantly anti-gun stance, the criteria for getting a CCW permit would likely be difficult to meet.
As a side note, the audio was very low on his Facebook video, so I really don't know much else about him. I have hearing problems despite the hi-tech hearing aides.
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Just pray a Trump packed SCOTUS finally delivers us a RBA in public and "strict scrutiny" standard of review in the next 2 to 3 years.

What is an RBA?
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Just pray a Trump packed SCOTUS finally delivers us a RBA in public and "strict scrutiny" standard of review in the next 2 to 3 years.

What is an RBA?
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Right to Bear Arms. The Heller case back in 2008 dealt with our Right to Keep Arms, but not directly with our RBA. Thus, many of us in CA are still unable to legally OC or CC and a decade later are still serfs begging our sheriffs for state permission slips to CCW.

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Paladin that is good information. Yep, no OC or CCW here. Now I see what you meant by going from dark red to light red if Hirokawa wins.
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...the current practice of Laurie Smith selecting who does or does not receive a CCW, usually based upon contributing to her campaign...
LOL. He's a current Sheriff deputy and he said that. But if it's the truth its not libel.
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So, now that you all have had time to lick your wounds, are you going to start organizing for influencing who wins as sheriff in 2022???
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We should start thinking now how to get Smith out of there.
Let’s not wait until 2022..
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The CA CCW GC map, posted in #25 above, now shows the latest revisions: Sonoma Co has gone from light red to light green (we're now losing 6 to 3 in the SFBA), Riverside Co has gone from light green to dark green (SD = GC), and Contra Costa Co is now yellow.

IMO, in the SFBA the best chance to improve things is to get more people to apply in CoCoCo using my advice: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1482924

The other chance is to get Sheriff Smith to liberalize CCW issuance. Just getting her to take Santa Clara Co to light red or yellow will be an improvement. But read over my advice linked above before talking with Smith (or her stand in) so that you do NOT get into an argument about the 2nd A -- that has NOTHING to do with CCWs per Peruta en banc decision.

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Yolo Co is now yellow (and, if things continue, may go light green this summer or fall).

For those who think "It can't be done", look closely at the 2019 CA CCW GC map I posted above and compare it to what we faced 10 years ago, in 2009....

We're at the end of the middle game and have begun the endgame.

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Does not help us in the bay.
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Does not help us in the bay.


Next you're going to say one state going Shall Issue didn't help other states pass it. Or one state going Constitutional Carry didn't help other states pass that.

When the "Wild West" "blood in the streets" after "High Noon" shootouts over fender-benders and parking spaces argument is show false in one location, it has less credibility in all other locations. We've seen that time and time again, most recently in the debates/discussions over ConCarry in the 3 states that passed it this year (SD, OK, and KY)



We've won 3 out of the 9 SFBA counties (Sonoma, Napa, and Solano). Even CoCoCo is now regularly issuing CCWs. But most CGNers would rather whine than work....

ETA: Here's a quote from today showing how AL legislators & advocates are using Con Carry in other states to push for it in their state.

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Proponents of the bill, including BamaCarry’s Eddie Fulmer, pointed to data from states that have implemented the same type of policy. They said law-abiding citizens continue to get permits when purchasing or otherwise legally obtaining weapons and that non-law-abiding citizens will continue to illegally obtain and possess firearms. They also said that law enforcement concerns about safety are not backed up by the data from these other states and added that similar concerns when Alabama moved from a “may issue” state to “shall issue” in 2013 did not come to fruition.
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Full disclosure...I've known Sheriff Smith for over 35 years. I had a sit down with her about three weeks ago on an unrelated non-firearms matter. We did get around to talking about issuance of CCW's. She is issuing them - albeit slowly. I know she had a recent change in administrative personnel handling the CCW applications. She is not ignoring them.

I've read a great many negative things on this forum about her. I have no opinion other than to state I've always found her to be up front to me. Others certainly differ - OK.

If you live in Santa Clara County go ahead and apply. If you applied over a year ago - do it again. They are looking at updated applications.
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Full disclosure...I've known Sheriff Smith for over 35 years. I had a sit down with her about three weeks ago on an unrelated non-firearms matter. We did get around to talking about issuance of CCW's. She is issuing them - albeit slowly. I know she had a recent change in administrative personnel handling the CCW applications. She is not ignoring them.

I've read a great many negative things on this forum about her. I have no opinion other than to state I've always found her to be up front to me. Others certainly differ - OK.

If you live in Santa Clara County go ahead and apply. If you applied over a year ago - do it again. They are looking at updated applications.
Thanks for the info!

Since Santa Clara is the most populous county in the SFBA, I hope you don't mind if I copy & cross post your post (with emphasis added like the above), in a couple of other Santa Clara related threads.

Hopefully, some CGNers with significant GC will step up and actually apply and let us know how it goes.

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I should also point out that, despite your claim she's "not ignoring them," she still has on her CCW webpage (https://www.sccgov.org/sites/sheriff/Pages/ccw.aspx):

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However, due to the extremely large number of applications we received during the Peruta v. San Diego arguments in Federal Court, there is a tremendous backlog. Please be patient as we work our way through the backlog.
Peruta was won at the 3-judge level on 2014 Feb 13. It was pulled when it went en banc on 2015 March 26, was reversed en banc on 2016 June 09 and died (i.e., denied cert.) on 2017 June 26. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruta...County#History) Peruta died almost 2 years ago and she's still working through those old apps???

That's one of the reasons folks are skeptical whenever they hear rumors (vs official statements or actual changes in the CCW Policy), about positive changes in Santa Clara Co. or other long-term anti counties. No offense to either you or Smith, but we feel like Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football for him to kick when we hear of long time restrictive issuance sheriffs saying they'll issue more CCWs....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmFfTJlIvhQ

ETA2: If Sheriff Gore could change his mind and GC policy and switch to readily issuing CCWs (to the point of taking San Diego Co to "light green" and start issuing over a hundred CCWs each month), I'll try to keep my skepticism in check and extend a friendly hand.
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No offense taken. I moved back to Santa Clara County in 1983. I'm well aware of the frustration and righteous anger about the restrictive CCW policies in this county - even before Sheriff Smith.
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She is issuing them - albeit slowly.
To those who donate to her?

At least in San Mateo I was interviewed and passed background check (and denied with no reason given - background check would not be one of them, I am squeaky clean) in a very expeditious and polite manner. Deputy interviewing me was highly sympathetic. It is still a NO ISSUE county (despite the light red color Paladin insists on).

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I've read a great many negative things on this forum about her. I have no opinion other than to state I've always found her to be up front to me.
I have found communist party apparatchiks and KGB agents to be very up front. Speaking from experience.

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At least in San Mateo I was interviewed and passed background check (and denied with no reason given - background check would not be one of them, I am squeaky clean) in a very expeditious and polite manner. Deputy interviewing me was highly sympathetic. It is still a NO ISSUE county (despite the light red color Paladin insists on).
If you want to discuss this, please post it in a suitable thread (and PM a link to me so I'll see it) rather than take this Laurie Smith/Santa Clara Co thread Off Topic.
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If you want to discuss this, please post it in a suitable thread (and PM a link to me so I'll see it) rather than take this Laurie Smith/Santa Clara Co thread Off Topic.
This is a good place to mention this, as this is highly relevant to a neighboring county, we have already discussed that, and I am in no need of lecturing on what I am discussing.
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This is a good place to mention this, as this is highly relevant to a neighboring county, we have already discussed that, and I am in no need of lecturing on what I am discussing.
I disagree.

Please start or contribute to a thread for San Mateo - the actions of one Sheriff, near or far, are unlikely to influence another Sheriff, responsible to those who voted for him/her.
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