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Old 03-30-2019, 11:26 PM
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I’d rather not mention the city where I saw a uniformed fireman armed with a Glock today. My son and I went to a local sporting goods store. I noticed a Crown Victoria pull in the same time. I immediately saw it was a fire dept vehicle, when the person got out I noticed he was armed. I noticed the Glock and extra mags, I didn’t notice handcuffs or mace, etc. on his duty belt.
My city cops only carry S&W M-P’s. I have never seen him an armed fireman??
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Old 03-30-2019, 11:44 PM
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Most likely an arson investigator. I know Cal Fire has Fire Marshals that are POST certified.
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Likely fire marshall or arson investigator. What city?
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Likely fire marshall or arson investigator. What city?
More than likely a Arson investigator.
In our area the Fire Marshall staff does not carry firearms.
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Sunnyvale and Rohnert Park have public safety departments do they do a little of both. Otherwise, probably the aforementioned.
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Most likely an arson investigator. I know Cal Fire has Fire Marshals that are POST certified.
^ Yes this! aka Fire Marshals complete PC832 POST training (in southern CA).
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Most likely an arson investigator. I know Cal Fire has Fire Marshals that are POST certified.
This. Arson investigators go through an 832 or 836 class so they can carry. I know several OCFA guys that carry for this reason. They also quickly realize that being a cop is a much better job that dragging hoses and sick people around.
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This. Arson investigators go through an 832 or 836 class so they can carry. I know several OCFA guys that carry for this reason. They also quickly realize that being a cop is a much better job that dragging hoses and sick people around.


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This. Arson investigators go through an 832 or 836 class so they can carry. I know several OCFA guys that carry for this reason. They also quickly realize that being a cop is a much better job that dragging hoses and sick people around.
I had to laugh at the last sentence.
The OP most likely, as others have stated prior, observed a member of that municipality's Arson Unit. Some members go by the title of Cause Investigator, Arson Investigator, Fire Investigation Unit Inspector, etc. Most work a shift schedule that mirrors platoon field personnel, or in some cases a "40-hr" work week, with a rotating duty schedule for call-outs, etc. For many, the case load is significant, and cooperation with mutual aid (fire/LE) agencies in a working relationship is very common and necessary.
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This. Arson investigators go through an 832 or 836 class so they can carry. I know several OCFA guys that carry for this reason. They also quickly realize that being a cop is a much better job that dragging hoses and sick people around.
Well, other than the part about 90% of their paid time spent cooking and playing video games.
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Well, other than the part about 90% of their paid time spent cooking and playing video games.
So one time I was out in BFE on a mutual aid callout and some firefighters were kind and invited my partner and I to kill some time at their station so we could eat/relax somewhere comfortable. We hung out for our whole break at their station house enjoying actual cooked food and hot drinks... Each firefighter had their own reclining chair in the entertainment room of the station house (though no one offered us their reclining chair haha), a nearly gourmet kitchen, gym, etc.... It pains me to admit it but I briefly rethought my choice in careers.
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Old 03-31-2019, 9:18 PM
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Yes I have seen them.. normally they dress specifically as non firemen when armed. My local city had an Arson investigator who could be armed.

When he worked armed, you would have thought he was police.

My guess is they don’t want to confuse the public that firefighters can be armed
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Most likely an arson investigator, but with society going like it is, some of the bigger cities are actually training SWAT medics. Some police depts are now taking along a specially trained fire guy who hangs at the back of the stack when they serve warrants and stuff so that in the event an officer gets shot, he has his own personal medic right there to tend to him. Typically he probably wouldn't be carrying out and about though unless they had just finished training or something. Active shooter is also a big topic currently and some departments are getting ahead of the game by training their own TEMS teams (tactical emergency medicine).

Check it out.......Ontario has been doing it a while

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Most likely an arson investigator. I know Cal Fire has Fire Marshals that are POST certified.
That is what I was going to say. We had our wood fence catch on fire one day, we called the fire dpt but got it put out before they got there. We let them know we did not know what started it. 20 min later a Fire guy in a sedan and fire shirt on showed up, had a gun on his side as well. He was investigating to make sure it was not arson. Turns out a friend was visiting that day and tossed his cigarette out the garage door onto the pebbles that line the bottom of our fence, I guess it got something on the ground smoldering for a couple hours before the fence caught fire.
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When I was a firearms instructor for my agency, we trained fire inspectors. They were being issued a pistol we were issued after the training. That was about 20 years ago.
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Maybe it was a Milpitas FD "Fire Enforcement Officer"? I guess that's a relatively new thing for them?

Link: https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/...-enforcer-job/


I know a couple of Cal Fire fire marshals and, yes, their IDs do say "peace officer" on them; but, they don't do any LE work. I think the peace officer status is a formality since they have to enforce the fire code. A few weeks ago, I had a Cal Fire "fire cop" show up to a large incident. He was wearing a full-blown tac vest, weapons and everything. I'm assuming he was a Cal Fire arson investigator or something; but, I'd never seen one in tac gear before.

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How many more posts are going to go up stating that it was probably a fire/arson guy????
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How many more posts are going to go up stating that it was probably a fire/arson guy????
It was probably a fire/arson investigator. They’re peace officers, you know?
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How many more posts are going to go up stating that it was probably a fire/arson guy????

Crabby lately, bro? You said something similar about the paper plate thread:

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Thread is TL;DR... Has anyone mentioned yet that it was most likely a fire/arson guy?
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Crabby lately, bro? You said something similar about the paper plate thread:
Ha! ...Just wondering why replies get repeated to an indefinite large number in succession. Doesn’t anybody pay attention to the exact same 20-30 answers repeated previously before they too reply in kind?

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So one time I was out in BFE on a mutual aid callout and some firefighters were kind and invited my partner and I to kill some time at their station so we could eat/relax somewhere comfortable. We hung out for our whole break at their station house enjoying actual cooked food and hot drinks... Each firefighter had their own reclining chair in the entertainment room of the station house (though no one offered us their reclining chair haha), a nearly gourmet kitchen, gym, etc.... It pains me to admit it but I briefly rethought my choice in careers.
Next time, bring cookies. You’ll get to sit in the recliner, maybe even the fire engine.

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probably an arson investigator... Just sayin' in case you haven't seen the last 277 post above this one. Buhahahah
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No definitely a fire crime person
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Most likely a Arson Investigator or it could be Fire Marshal.
Yeah...That's the ticket..
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I'm not going to give you the information required to determine the correct answer as to what I saw, I'm only going to mention that I saw it.
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Next time, bring cookies. You’ll get to sit in the recliner, maybe even the fire engine.
If bringing cookies would encourage hose draggers to take off their clothes such as in your pic.... then no, I will not be bringing cookies to any of their stations.
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If bringing cookies would encourage hose draggers to take off their clothes such as in your pic.... then no, I will not be bringing cookies to any of their stations.
Some fire persons are fine specimens of muscle and flesh. They also get better tools like chainsaws, rotary saws, pumps and scba firegear. I just have bolt cutters.
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If bringing cookies would encourage hose draggers to take off their clothes such as in your pic.... then no, I will not be bringing cookies to any of their stations.
They don’t take their shirts off for me...sadly.
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When I was a firearms instructor for my agency, we trained fire inspectors. They were being issued a pistol we were issued after the training. That was about 20 years ago.
Not all inspectors are arson investigators. At first they were considered "cause investigators" no arrest powers. It finally evolved into what is is now. We used to give them a lot of crap about carrying, like "OK, who has the bullet today?" They all thought the training was excellent. I don't recall them doing periodic retraining or quals though. They had an office in my station in El Monte and they were busier than most people would think.

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Ha! ...Just wondering why replies get repeated to an indefinite large number in succession. Doesn’t anybody pay attention to the exact same 20-30 answers repeated previously before they too reply in kind?

Gotta keep that post count up. How else are people ever going to respect what I say unless I have a significant amount of posts?
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City of California City has armed Arson Investigators as well.

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Milpitas PD has investigation authority for fires. Its an officer wearing a FD shirt.

He teaches alot of classes and is a really nice guy.
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The OCFA investigators get more training than just 832, they get a modified POST academy offered at Goldenwest College. And the Cal Fire Peace Officers are not "fire marshals", they carry their specific rank and add peace officer next to it.


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