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Old 12-25-2018, 3:43 PM
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Just got approval letters for the two AR 80% pistols I submitted back in late June. After asking for pics about a month ago (sent in pics of receivers only) I never got a "In progress" email or letter and today it just showed up.
Was this a volreg for the pistol or receiver only?
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Old 12-26-2018, 6:53 AM
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Volreg that originally had barrel lengths listed etc. But when they asked for photos I sent in only pics of the lower with no stock or upper.
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So got email on 12/12 and letters dated 12/14,arrived today. Only took pics of half receivers and two complete rifles.
These are all from 2 groups done on 6/29 6/30
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Old 12-27-2018, 7:32 AM
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Got all 3 of my Polymer80 home built handgun builds approved and Recd note in the mail yesterday.

G26, G19, G34

Submitted them via CFARS, 2 days before the deadline. Did not submit photos.

I Did indicate that they were built to spec using the Inlander Arms bolt action kit. I also indicated where I got them serialized.

I documented the build by taking photos and then mailing them to myself via certified mail. Also took video and uploaded the final assembly to YouTube as private video (for a 3rd party time stamp)... none of that was needed.
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Old 12-27-2018, 8:02 AM
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Got all 3 of my Polymer80 home built handgun builds approved and Recd note in the mail yesterday.

G26, G19, G34

Submitted them via CFARS, 2 days before the deadline. Did not submit photos.

I Did indicate that they were built to spec using the Inlander Arms bolt action kit. I also indicated where I got them serialized.

I documented the build by taking photos and then mailing them to myself via certified mail. Also took video and uploaded the final assembly to YouTube as private video (for a 3rd party time stamp)... none of that was needed.
Noted that you built with bolt action and then converted or registered as semi auto?

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Old 12-27-2018, 1:19 PM
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I have to get my lowers engraved and down load photos this weekend because I’m reaching the deadline. Do you have to engrave the make and model on the receiver?
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The California Department of Justice has received your electronic application; however, it cannot be processed for the following reason(s):

Verify your answer to the question "receiver only?" If the firearm is fully assembled, please provide the caliber and barrel length of your firearm and clear full-length pictures of both sides of the firearm, one close up of the serial number, magazine release, make and model. Upload these pictures to this transaction and resubmit for processing.
What would happen if someone received this message and then changed their firearm type from a rifle to a pistol while logging in to "verify your answer"?

Probably not a good idea, just curious what would happen in this hypothetical situation.

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Old 12-29-2018, 9:55 PM
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I have to get my lowers engraved and down load photos this weekend because I’m reaching the deadline.
Do you have to engrave the make and model on the receiver?
Your first and last name are the MAKE and need to be engraved on the reciever.
If you registered it with a model, that model needs to be engraved on the receiver.
Then you need your City and State on the reciever.
The state can be abbreviated the standard 2 letters.
If the barrel or slide is marked with the caliber, you can use those existing markings, otherwise, you need to engrave the caliber somewhere on the receiver or barrel or slide.
Then you need the serial number on the reciever.

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...and if your receivers are marked Multi? Pics are not supposed to be required at all!!! A 'receiver only' option is on the CFARS site and yet they reject that option if you go that route. Subsequently, one is forced to build them out. Now they want pics? Perhaps someone will post the original wording in the original statute/regulation as I don't have it at hand at the moment.
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:03 AM
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I believe the deadline for marking receivers with your own serial numbers was 6/31/2018. Perhaps I'm mistaken but you may have trouble getting them marked by an informed engraver that will engrave your receiver to required specs. (depth of engraving and the required info properly placed)

At any rate, I would be careful giving out info on a public forum as to the current status of your registration process to avoid complications.
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Old 12-30-2018, 11:20 AM
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I believe the deadline for marking receivers with your own serial numbers was 6/31/2018. Perhaps I'm mistaken but you may have trouble getting them marked by an informed engraver that will engrave your receiver to required specs. (depth of engraving and the required info properly placed)

At any rate, I would be careful giving out info on a public forum as to the current status of your registration process to avoid complications.
As long as people got their application in before the 31st for a request for a serial for their 80% that was already done it's fine. They will get an email in 5 to 10 days and then a 10 day count down to get it engraved and pics submitted starts from there. Any decent knowledgeable ffl that does engraving work will know the specs.

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Old 12-31-2018, 7:57 AM
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Anyone else wait to the last minute to complete a USNA for a firearm built prior to 01JUL?

CFAS no longer seems to have an option to request a serial number for a previously build firearm. Only only has an option to request a serial number for a new build.

The option was there all weekend and of course according to the DOJ rep - ".. I'm seeing that the option is still available..." Well after trying 3 browsers, 2 computers, and fresh installs (yes of FireFox) - it still isn't there for me.
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Old 12-31-2018, 8:09 AM
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Anyone else wait to the last minute to complete a USNA for a firearm built prior to 01JUL?

CFAS no longer seems to have an option to request a serial number for a previously build firearm. Only only has an option to request a serial number for a new build.

The option was there all weekend and of course according to the DOJ rep - ".. I'm seeing that the option is still available..." Well after trying 3 browsers, 2 computers, and fresh installs (yes of FireFox) - it still isn't there for me.
Man you really waited to the last minute

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Old 12-31-2018, 8:19 AM
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Yep - still pissed from the AW reg. My feeble protest effort may have just screwed me.

If anyone has a chance, please check your CFARS account to see if you have the option for a UNSA on a previously built (prior to 01JUL18) firearm.
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Old 12-31-2018, 9:02 AM
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WOW!! my buddies at the DOJ just fixed it - reporting an issue worked.


Still not their biggest fan, actually not a fan at all.
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I believe the deadline for marking receivers with your own serial numbers was 6/31/2018.
The deadline for voluntary registration applications with your own serial number was 6/31/2018.
In theory, the marking was done before you applied to register, but I'm quite certain that lots of people put the marks on their receivers after they registered.

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Perhaps I'm mistaken but you may have trouble getting them marked by an informed engraver that will engrave your receiver to required specs. (depth of engraving and the required info properly placed)
I have engraved a bunch of receivers with the proper information and depth.
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Old 01-01-2019, 9:51 AM
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As long as people got their application in before the 31st for a request for a serial for their 80% that was already done it's fine.
They will get an email in 5 to 10 days and then a 10 day count down to get it engraved and pics submitted starts from there.
I got my volreg acceptance letter 5 months and 26 days after I applied.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:07 PM
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Has anyone had the status below changed to anything other than images in review?

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So, it is a bit difficult to sort through 2,800+ posts.

What is the current state of 80% lowers that were owned pre 2018? No serial and personal serial numbers. All pre AB-857.

CRPA webinar was the last real link/video on the subject but have yet to see any updates or 'flowchart' for current processes.
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So, it is a bit difficult to sort through 2,800+ posts.

What is the current state of 80% lowers that were owned pre 2018? No serial and personal serial numbers. All pre AB-857.

CRPA webinar was the last real link/video on the subject but have yet to see any updates or 'flowchart' for current processes.
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I’m attempting to apply for a unique serial number for a 80% pistol, prior to actually completing the build. The application is asking for a date of manufacture. What date should be entered when he frame has not been completed?
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The only way now is to apply for a serial number then begin the engraving/milling. You can put 2 weeks from date of application of build date. It’s only an estimate. They give you 30 days to complete after number is issued.
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So once you get the usn you have to have your lower engraved and pics sent to DOJ? Then 30 days to mill and complete firearm? Do they want to see pics of completed firearm?
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You send pics after engraving and milling.
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Hi all, I completed my application for serial number for a fixed magazine ar 15 on 12/31/18 and I received my numbers and instructions regarding engraving and taking photos. In addition, because it’s a pistol they mentioned that home built handguns must not be “unsafe” and deemed safe by having the weapon drop tested and micro stamped inside the chamber with unique info. This unsafe handgun article is pursuant to pc32000.

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(a) A person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.

My question is that has anyone else received this and successfully registered their home built handgun? And does this article refer to just those who are selling or intending to sell, lend or give as it says?


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They are basically saying it must remain a single shot firearm and can never be converted to semi-automatic.


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Hi all, I completed my application for serial number for a fixed magazine ar 15 on 12/31/18 and I received my numbers and instructions regarding engraving and taking photos. In addition, because it’s a pistol they mentioned that home built handguns must not be “unsafe” and deemed safe by having the weapon drop tested and micro stamped inside the chamber with unique info. This unsafe handgun article is pursuant to pc32000.

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(a) A person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.

My question is that has anyone else received this and successfully registered their home built handgun? And does this article refer to just those who are selling or intending to sell, lend or give as it says?


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They are basically saying it must remain a single shot firearm and can never be converted to semi-automatic.






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So Does this apply to every home build pistol? Such as a Glock or a 1911?


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Old 01-12-2019, 10:52 AM
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So Does this apply to every home build pistol? Such as a Glock or a 1911?
Only ones built after 2013 or 2014 when they changed their definition of manufacturing need to stay as single shots.
The ones that you built and converted before 2014 are fine as long as you marked and registered them by the end of 2018.
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So did you guys see this about a confiscation:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comm...d_by_doj_when/
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So did you guys see this about a confiscation:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comm...d_by_doj_when/
Wow, whole lot of bad/incorrect info in that thread.
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The ones that you built and converted before 2014 are fine as long as you marked and registered them by the end of 2018.
What about builds converted to semi-auto between 12/31/2013 and 12/31/2014?


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CFARS Firearm Ownership Report for an 80% AR Pistol

Submitted: 6/28/18

Incomplete notice: 12/17/18
-Asked for category and pictures of said AR pistol
-Told them that the firearm did not contain features that required photos

Submission received email: 1/10/19

Letter received: 2/2/19 (Dated 1/29/19)
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[QUOTE=markjm70;22541741]Hi all, I completed my application for serial number for a fixed magazine ar 15 on 12/31/18 and I received my numbers and instructions regarding engraving and taking photos. In addition, because it’s a pistol they mentioned that home built handguns must not be “unsafe” and deemed safe by having the weapon drop tested and micro stamped inside the chamber with unique info. This unsafe handgun article is pursuant to pc32000.

32000.
(a) A person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.

My question is that has anyone else received this and successfully registered their home built handgun? And does this article refer to just those who are selling or intending to sell, lend or give as it says?


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So this would only apply to selling or loaning. I don’t believe you could sell a 80% anyway?
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Hi all, I completed my application for serial number for a fixed magazine ar 15 on 12/31/18 and I received my numbers and instructions regarding engraving and taking photos. In addition, because it’s a pistol they mentioned that home built handguns must not be “unsafe” and deemed safe by having the weapon drop tested and micro stamped inside the chamber with unique info. This unsafe handgun article is pursuant to pc32000.

32000.
(a) A person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.

My question is that has anyone else received this and successfully registered their home built handgun? And does this article refer to just those who are selling or intending to sell, lend or give as it says?[/QUOTE
Single shot handguns are safe because they only hold one round of ammo and do not feed from a magazine.
Once you can fit multiple rounds into the magazine, it's unsafe and needs to be rostered.
If your self-built handgun was built after 2014 and feeds multiple rounds from a magazine in semi-auto or even in manual operation, it is unsafe until it has been rostered.
If your self built handgun was built before 2014, it needed to FIRST be built as a compliant single shot and could then be converted to a semi-auto before the 2014 change of regulations.

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Just got my letters of acceptance from the California D.O.J. confirming that I successfully and legally registered my home built self serialized, milled out 80% AR type rifles. I began the CFARS volreg process of my California legal (non assault weapon configuration or featureless) way before the June 31st 2018.

I originally marked the receiver only box but they would not accept this for some unknown reason. I wanted to complete the process before the end of 2018 as I was unsure as to what the issues might be after Dec. 31, 2018. It seems like the D.O.J tries to keep you guessing. I tried using the issues option but never got a response to my questions. Then I finally filled in the barrel length and caliber. It was reviewed and some time latter, they accepted that. Then, they asked for pictures of the firearms I submitted. Hmmm...

I filed a statement in the issues option and on each of the individual rifles, asking them to justify, by chapter and verse, the regulations that require pictures on the volreg registration of a featureless AR type rifle. Again, they never responded.

Eventually, they emailed me that the D.O.J has received and would begin to process my application and that I would be notified of the results by mail. Voila, Saturday my documents are in my hands confirming my successful registration of my rifles.

I'm not happy about having the law changed to require registration of my home milled rifles. However, we do what we have to do to not completely jeopardize our rights to bear arms or our financial or physical independence.

I pushed back on the pictures request and they couldn't come up with the legal language or regulations to justify pictures on a self-built, non-assault weapon configured AR that was self-serialized and voluntarily registered before July 1st, 2018 Of course, had I not "voluntarily registered" them, I was breaking the law. It small victory, in my view anyway, until the next batch of gun control law.

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^^Good job.
IMO featureless is the way to go. Unless or until they outlaw semi-auto center-fire rifles. Period.
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There does not seem to be a way to currently build a handgun in CA if I’m reading what I received from the DOJ correctly. Even if you build a single shot:

In all other circumstances, however, including when the handgun was initially designed as a semiautomatic pistol, and then altered for single-shot firing, the firearm is still subject to further clearance to ensure that is not “unsafe.” (Pen. Code, § 32100, subd. (b).) To allow certification of a single-shot pistol, the manufacturer must complete the following requirements: (which mean submitting 3 guns to the state to test)

Why bother?

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There does not seem to be a way to currently build a handgun in CA if I’m reading what I received from the DOJ correctly. Even if you build a single shot:

In all other circumstances, however, including when the handgun was initially designed as a semiautomatic pistol, and then altered for single-shot firing, the firearm is still subject to further clearance to ensure that is not “unsafe.” (Pen. Code, § 32100, subd. (b).) To allow certification of a single-shot pistol, the manufacturer must complete the following requirements: (which mean submitting 3 guns to the state to test)

Why bother?
AR's and AK's were not "initially designed as a semi-auto pistol".
That's why they can be built as a single shot pistol.
The wording definetly causes a problem for all the glock and sig handgun builders though.

The wording "initially designed as a semiautomatic pistol" was to stop all the shops from selling off-roster semi-auto handguns by simply converting them to single shot DURING DROS with a drop-in sub-caliber barrel liner.
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