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Did anyone else notice, during Ms Feinstein's questioning, her incoherent 'logic' regarding 'in common use' (of 'assault weapons')? Apparently, in her world, the 'in common use' legal hurdle is NOT triggered simply by oy the millions of people who own 'assault weapons', it is ONLY achieved IF those people actually 'use' these weapons. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all held a 'million 'assault weapon' owners march where we all light them off together as a symbol of unity? Yeah I know, we can't do it because of Newton's 'what goes up must come down' law of gravity, but it WOULD be epic...
Should we ban muskets then? Per her logic they arenít in common Ďuseí...
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It figures. How many other stunts have to be pulled?
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Don't Forget, Feinstein was also the one advocating against
Free Speech, she wanted Internet Posters / Bloggers to have
"Government Approval" and have a "License" before they could
exercise their Free Speech on the Internet.


So she is on Record as being opposed to both the
1st And 2nd Amendments.



Hey Feinstein, here is a little graphic to Explain Rights to you:




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Did anyone else notice, during Ms Feinstein's questioning, her incoherent 'logic' regarding 'in common use' (of 'assault weapons')? Apparently, in her world, the 'in common use' legal hurdle is NOT triggered simply by oy the millions of people who own 'assault weapons', it is ONLY achieved IF those people actually 'use' these weapons. Wouldn't it be interesting if we all held a 'million 'assault weapon' owners march where we all light them off together as a symbol of unity? Yeah I know, we can't do it because of Newton's 'what goes up must come down' law of gravity, but it WOULD be epic...
It's just another Left attempt to parse words. Heller gave us handguns in "Common Use". Meaning everyone has them.

Most handguns are semi auto and as Kavanah pointed out semi auto rifles are not significantly different from semi auto handguns (Perhaps a hint at where he sees Heller going)

I think Nancy knows that and will people owning millions of them they could not win the "Assault Weapons ( semi auto rifles) are not in common use" So they are trying to parse words and say Assault Weapons do not have a common use (like hunting or self defense)"

Just another attempt to confuse the issue and avoid that pesky Constitution.

For what it's worth Kavanah convinced me he "Gets" Heller. Good things will come of this. (Of course that is why the left is scared) .

But if your scared of the Constitution are you really American???
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Someone please kindly explain to the old bag that when they do come for our guns, as enough of them have made clear they want to do, they will learn the meaning of ďin common useĒ.


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Kavanah's knowledge of the law and the history of law is pretty impressive. He will make a great addition to the SC. Can you imagine the melt down when the next two seats becomes available. Ruthie its time for your nap.
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I`m just waiting for the first assault weapons ban case OR CCW case that comes before them after Kavanaugh is sworn in... ..if any more 2nd amendment cases get refused it will be because of ROBERTS...

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For those who missed it:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47472...ssault-weapons

Props on K for not using the term AW.
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It's just another Left attempt to parse words. Heller gave us handguns in "Common Use". Meaning everyone has them.

Most handguns are semi auto and as Kavanah pointed out semi auto rifles are not significantly different from semi auto handguns (Perhaps a hint at where he sees Heller going)

I think Nancy knows that and will people owning millions of them they could not win the "Assault Weapons ( semi auto rifles) are not in common use" So they are trying to parse words and say Assault Weapons do not have a common use (like hunting or self defense)"

Just another attempt to confuse the issue and avoid that pesky Constitution.

For what it's worth Kavanah convinced me he "Gets" Heller. Good things will come of this. (Of course that is why the left is scared) .

But if your scared of the Constitution are you really American???
Yeah, in her case she was trying to slice the bologna paper thin. But seriously, he COULD have (instead of using sheer numbers) used the national defense argument. In the case of an EXTREME national emergency wouldn't it be smart if those civilians who chose to augment the National Guard and Army had (roughly) the same firearms so that they could seamlessly integrate into the main military forces? Sure an invasion seems an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario but it's not impossible...
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Kavanah's knowledge of the law and the history of law is pretty impressive. He will make a great addition to the SC. Can you imagine the melt down when the next two seats becomes available. Ruthie its time for your nap.


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Feinstein also repeated and outright lie about "hundreds of school shootings" that even far-left news sources like NPR and Mother Jones have debunked:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...sault-weapons/

Disgusting how brazen these crooks have gotten. Lying right to our faces, saying things that are easily proven false with a simple search of the web.
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At least she admitted she is on a different wavelength, I suspect it is a short one, may be two words max.

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The Democrat from Vermont is a mumbling old fool. He is trying in every way to trick Kavanah into a mistake. What happened to the great state of Vermont that it elected **** hole politicians like Leahy. It's like watching paint dry.
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Booker releases secret Kavanaugh emails in defiance of Senate rules, drawing GOP condemnation

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...lay-traps.html


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Booker releases secret Kavanaugh emails in defiance of Senate rules, drawing GOP condemnation

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...lay-traps.html


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I believe some radical democrats would authorize anything (and I mean anything) to remove Kavanaugh from the picture if they could get away with it.!!! Legality be damned!!

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It appears he may have lied over his comment that Roe V Wade is settled law. An e-mail of his from several years ago expressed quite the opposite. He may have changed his mind but I would certainly want an explanation of this discrepancy before I would confirm.

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Roe v Wade is not necessarily settled law when one considers that future developments with legal definitions of what is life might affect that decision. For instance, let's say an amendment to the COTUS stated that life begins at conception, well that would have a bit of an impact.

The Democrats keep bring up the so-called "Woman's Right To Choose" as their sacred cow, but don't realize that the concepts of settled law, precedent, and judicial process apply to everything, even to decisions they do not like. Surely they would have no problem confirming a SCOTUS nominee who said that McDonald vs Chicago and Heller vs DC may not necessarily be settled law depending on future circumstances.

Nothing is truly ever set in stone, and to believe otherwise is just being naive.
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My point was the he said it was settled law despite earlier views that show he clearly doesn't (didn't) believe that. I would want that cleared up.
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My point was the he said it was settled law despite earlier views that show he clearly doesn't (didn't) believe that. I would want that cleared up.
According to the AP, what he actually said, in a confidential e-mail, fifteen years ago, was:

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I am not sure that all legal scholars refer to Roe as the settled law of the land at the Supreme Court level since Court can always overrule its precedent, and three current Justices on the Court would do so
...which doesn't actually contain his own opinion of the decision. So, not nearly as sensational as the headlines would have one believe.
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Best outcome: Booker loses his seat for releasing confidential emails and gets replaced by a Republican, Kavanaugh gets confirmed anyway.
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Best outcome: Booker loses his seat for releasing confidential emails and gets replaced by a Republican, Kavanaugh gets confirmed anyway.
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Therefore, Booker’s act of defiance was not an actual violation of the rules because nothing that he released was marked committee confidential at the time of its release.

"Apparently, some just wanted to break the rules and make a scene, but didn’t check their email," a spokesman for committee Republicans said in a statement. The committee posted the same documents.
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I think BK is gonna get confirmed no matter what the dems say or how they paint hi.
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Sad part is he will STILL be seen as a "Maverick Spartacus" by his fellow Dems...

While the rest will still see him as an idiot.
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This is the first time Iíve watched every minute of a SCOTUS confirmation. Itís quite interesting.
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If the Dems cannot come up with more than nothingburger, which this is, they are going to look very foolish when all is said and done. The principal opposition to this well-qualified candidate is nothing more that that Trump nominated him (and of course, Trump must be stopped at ALL COSTS).
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This is the first time Iíve watched every minute of a SCOTUS confirmation. Itís quite interesting.
If by "interesting" you mean "disgusting" due to all of the childish antics and double standards-- I agree.

Wailing Liberal: "You can't overturn Roe v. Wade and MUST respect precedence!!!"
Wailing Liberal (20 seconds later): "You have to outlaw guns! Guns kill people!! Think of the dead babies!!"
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Literally this. Hahaha! Also the "It is my DUTY to release these docs against the law because they are that importan!!!" <shows non-inflammatory email that had been released the night before>

It looks like what it is... them trying very hard to fight him just because. Every article I read about him does the same thing... trumpets the loss of Roe v. Wade in the title, and then in the body admits there really isn't any risk of that happening. At this point it sounds like all 51 GOP senators are going to vote yes, along with at least 2 or more Democrats. Unless someone outlandish happens, probably a 53+ to 47- vote.

I can see now why he was added to the list, and later chosen. He has decades of experience with confirmations. He was the perfect candidate for this specific point in time. The next one (with potentially a larger majority in the Senate) will be the fun one, with a likely more controversial candidate like Coney-Barrett.

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Wailing Liberal (20 seconds later): "You have to outlaw guns! Guns kill people!! Think of the dead babies!!"

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Yes. I assumed it would be more professional. I expected the audience to be respectful while the committee conducted their business. The Dems were so rude at times. I felt like a high school debate team would've acted more accordingly.
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Yes. I assumed it would be more professional. I expected the audience to be respectful while the committee conducted their business. The Dems were so rude at times. I felt like a high school debate team would've acted more accordingly.
It's because High Schoolers just learned and follow Robert's Rules of Order..

These radical Dems either forgot them long ago or ignore them thinking shouting, yelling profanities and flailing their arms will appeal to the new upcoming millennial hipster Democratic Party constituents.
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Keep in mind that they (the audience) are being told via all media outlets that Kavanaughs appointment will mean the end of all human rights as they know them... and they believe it. This is the problem with whipping the public up into a frenzy.

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Keep in mind that they (the audience) are being told via all media outlets that Kavanaughs appointment will mean the end of all human rights as they know them... and they believe it. This is the problem with whipping the public up into a frenzy.
Yes, but keep in mind that they (the audience) have been told precisely that, and worse, since before Trump won the election. Famous economists, scientists, the MSM -- an endless parade of predictions by "thought leaders" that Trump would cause stock market crashes, economic ruin, world war, etc, etc, and every single one of them -- dead wrong.

Nobody believes more strongly in the stupidity of the average human than do I, but eventually all but the willfully stupid will have heard enough of these "experts" crying wolf.

We'll see this coming midterms...
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Annoying to bring minors into this, they shouldn't have a seat at the table. They are not sufficiently developed, educated, and certainly do not have enough experience of life and responsibility to play a role in influencing government. This is why they are MINORS.

For that matter our whole take on voting rights needs a discussion, personally I believe that the voting age should probably be raised except for those individuals who serve in the military and maybe a couple of other narrow circumstances.

People just do not understand what is at stake unless they have some skin in the game, and that is not something a young adult typically has.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems planted those folks there to cause controversy. They're probably on the payroll.
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Yeah, in her case she was trying to slice the bologna paper thin. But seriously, he COULD have (instead of using sheer numbers) used the national defense argument. In the case of an EXTREME national emergency wouldn't it be smart if those civilians who chose to augment the National Guard and Army had (roughly) the same firearms so that they could seamlessly integrate into the main military forces? Sure an invasion seems an EXTREMELY unlikely scenario but it's not impossible...
Yeah invasion nah, but multiple sleeper cells attacking at the same time country wide can happen. Main reason why I'm armed myself. Police will not be able to protect us all in the first few days, we're on our own.
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Feinstein also repeated and outright lie about "hundreds of school shootings" that even far-left news sources like NPR and Mother Jones have debunked:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...sault-weapons/

Disgusting how brazen these crooks have gotten. Lying right to our faces, saying things that are easily proven false with a simple search of the web.
I heard her said that too. Hundreds? Is it time for her to take her medication And have her apple sauce?
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Was Kavanagh included in the list of potential nominees during when the first scotus appointment opened up? I donít recall him being in the mix. Wonder why.


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Any chance the Senate vote can be expedited to September?
Or do the rules specify it must be in October?
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Dems planted those folks there to cause controversy. They're probably on the payroll.
They may not be planted, but they absolutely were paid. By a non-profit that Soros props up financially.

And for elaboration, there's controversy over what "paid" means. In this context, the non-profit is paying the bail for the protesters being arrested. People on the left insist that's not "being paid", they're just having their bail covered. My question is: if their bail wasn't covered, would they get arrested? They financially benefit for disrupting the hearing. That's "paid".

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