Sheriff Gore Aims to Issue More Concealed Gun Permits in San Diego County

[L84CABO]

Originally Posted by Paladin

I've read in other threads that Gore is hiring more staff for his CCW unit and they've contacted OCSO for advice on how to process more CCW apps. Those 2 things, along with Gore continuing to issue more and more CCWs after the election -- give me confidence that he's truly changed his mind re. CCWs and CCWers and that SD Co deserves to be "light green" on the CCW GC map.

But why? It's just hard for me to believe that he would find religion and change his mind after all this time. Does he really now believe carrying is a right?

[Nachoman]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

But why? It's just hard for me to believe that he would find religion and change his mind after all this time. Does he really now believe carrying is a right?

My guess is it's all about the $$$... all these new permits can form a pretty good alternate source of revenue for his department. Plus it's at zero cost...

... Politically he's appeasing both sides of the isle, he can still claim he's only issuing to those exhibiting a confirmed good cause, but he can also claim he's issuing more permits.

... His buddies in OC probably told him that even with their spike, permit holders aren't the ones causing crime issues. It's not like there's a spike in crime by having more permit holders... ie there's no downside to having more of us out there.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Nachoman

My guess is it's all about the $$$... all these new permits can form a pretty good alternate source of revenue for his department. Plus it's at zero cost...

Wrong. Best guess is the SDSO CCW unit is operating at a deficit (i.e., costs the SO more than it takes in from fees). See p. 42 - 44 of the state auditor's report: http://www.auditor.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2017-101.pdf

[Nachoman]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Wrong. Best guess is the SDSO CCW unit is operating at a deficit (i.e., costs the SO more than it takes in from fees). See p. 42 - 44 of the state auditor's report: http://www.auditor.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2017-101.pdf

ah, then maybe it's just for the politics of it.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

But why? It's just hard for me to believe that he would find religion and change his mind after all this time.

That's the $64,000 question.... He did voluntarily stop appealing Peruta. Some said it was because of legal costs, but IMO, that's peanuts for 3.3M strong SD County's budget. Maybe the state audit and SDCGO pressure, both last summer, had an effect? Maybe a viable contender who was also for SD = GC, Myers, had an effect. Maybe all 3 of those and reports of CCWers saving officers' lives (see link in my sig line for examples) had a cumulative effect. I just don't know.

Related: What would it take for Gore to change his mind back? One bad shoot by a SDSO CCWer? Two???

Originally Posted by L84CABO

Does he really now believe carrying is a right?

I doubt that. If he did, he'd accept SD = GC and he doesn't.

Also, he seems very content to enforcing the law and not imposing his personal beliefs, so as long as the courts say May Issue is constitutionally okay and our state's May Issue law requires GC and evidence to support it, he'll require GC beyond SD.

IMO, the thing you SD folk have to do is to support him when he asks the Board of Sups for more money, esp if for CCW related needs (staffing, new office space, online CCW app process) and ensure that more and more folks hear that things have changed, that they may be able to get CCW and, for just $105, apply to find out. I would not feel politically "safe" until there's ~20,000 SDSO CCWers -- ~1% of the adult population. My guess is that you'll have another sheriff's election before you get there and Gore probably won't be running again.

For me: I won't be spending as much time in SD Co threads as I have. I'm in the SFBA. Hopefully, Young or some other Carry case will come to our rescue up here (and SB, LA and Imperial in SoCal).

ETA: I should mention that with over 1,500 issued CCWs I'm thinking that's a record for SDSO. I doubt it has ever had that many issue before. I've asked baggss, to whom I sent old CCW stat documents, if he can look into that and post what he finds. Also, my estimate is CA recently passed 100,000 CCWs statewide -- another record, I'd bet. AFAIK, we did NOT lose any counties to anti sheriffs in the June election and we'll find out after they're sworn in next January what the new Sonoma and Yolo county sheriffs' CCW policies are like. Any improvement is to be applauded. Plus, if Kavanaugh gets on SCOTUS and if National Reciprocity passes in September ... things are really looking good despite the antis being in control of Sacto and the MSM.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by LoadedM333

Got mine Last Tuesday and I’ve been carrying for a week. I am a bit worried about printing or accidental exposure since this is not friendly gun county in San Diego.

Don't skimp on your holster! I use a Crossbreed Supertuck with my G23.

[LoadedM333]

Originally Posted by jnojr

Don't skimp on your holster! I use a Crossbreed Supertuck with my G23.

I am using Comp-tac and Alien Gear, both are pretty good, it is not the holster that I am worried about.

Went to Costco and they had the fans on full blast since it was pretty hot for the last couple weeks, trying to keep my loose clothing from lifting up. Lol...


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[jpballa]

While I do think the momentum for issuing has been going in the right direction, CCW's here are still not available to the average law abiding person.

I think the work SDCGO has done is great and is definitely making a difference,
However we do not know if Gore will continue to issue or revert back to his old ways. Do we have the numbers on total number of permits this year issued vs total # denied?

[Jimi Jah]

You must still present proof that you need one. News reports are not accepted as evidence. It reminds me of when a traffic light is installed, after someone is killed, not before.

[Paladin]

Looks like the good folk at San Diego Co Gun Owners are holding more CCW application seminars on Aug 9th, 23rd and Sept 6th.

You snooze, you lose!

Details at and tickets through: https://www.facebook.com/events/209828179683986/

San Diego County is issuing CCW permits. We want to help you get approved.

1. Recognize the new guidelines used by the SD County Sheriff's office that pertain to obtaining a CCW permit.

2. Follow the application process and the different steps to obtaining a permit.

3. Review the "Good Cause Statement" for greatest chance of being approved for CCW permit.

4. Understand the official training and qualification required to obtain permit.

5. Learn about the San Diego County Gun Owner's and their role in influencing the Sheriff to change his policy.

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

You must still present proof that you need one. News reports are not accepted as evidence. It reminds me of when a traffic light is installed, after someone is killed, not before.

I'll trust Bill "Randy Weaver" Gore when I can buy icees in hell.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by njineermike

I'll trust Bill "Randy Weaver" Gore when I can buy icees in hell.

LOL! Who cares if you "trust" him?

I guess you missed the part where the number of CCWs he's issued has tripled in one year.

Whatever dude.

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by Paladin

LOL! Who cares if you "trust" him?

I guess you missed the part where the number of CCWs he's issued tripled in one year.

He only did that AFTER his opponent said self defense was a good enough reason to get a concealed carry permit. Hes pandering for votes. He had to be sued to even budge in the first place.

Are you aware the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by njineermike

He only did that AFTER his opponent said self defense was a good enough reason to get a concealed carry permit. Hes pandering for votes. He had to be sued to even budge in the first place.

San Diego Co Gun Owners leader, Michael Schwartz (an attorney and the big guy making the presentation in the picture above), has been in talks with Gore, and his subordinates in the CCW unit, for over 2 years, long before Myers announced. I was like you and told Michael back then he was wasting his time and should focus on the city PDs instead. Much to my delight, Michael proved me wrong.

The state auditor also did an audit of Sac, LA and SD policies and practices last summer (as I also mentioned above).

The election was 2 months ago and he's still issuing more and more CCWs, his CCW unit is getting advice from OCSO on how to improve their process and he's asked for more staffing ($$$). He wouldn't do those things if he were planning on flipping back anytime soon.

Regardless of why Gore has changed his policy & practices, he has and is issuing. IMO, the best way to ensure that continues is by getting more and more law-abiding applicants to submit applications. To aid in that, getting him (and the BoS?) to put the app process online (like most other counties' SOs), is an important next step.

Rather than harp on a bitter past (which won't change the past and won't help the future), focus on consolidating the gains so that SD catches up to OC.

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by Paladin

San Diego Co Gun Owners leader, Michael Schwartz, has been in talks with Gore, and his subordinates in the CCW unit, for about 2 years, long before Myers announced.

The state auditor also did an audit of Sac, LA and SD policies and practices last summer (as I also mentioned above).

The election was 2 months ago and he's still issuing more and more CCWs, his CCW unit is getting advice from OCSO on how to improve their process and he's asked for more staffing ($$$). He wouldn't do those things if he were planning on flipping back anytime soon.

Regardless of why Gore has changed his policy & practices, he has and is issuing. IMO, the best way to ensure that continues is by getting more and more law-abiding applicants to submit applications. To aid in that, getting him (and the BoS?) to put the app process online (like most other counties' SOs), is an important next step.

Rather than harp on a bitter past (which won't change the past and won't help the future), focus on consolidating the gains so that SD catches up to OC.

Whatever makes you happy. Just don't be whining when he flips again.

[Jimi Jah]

Gore's standards for good cause have not changed. Unless you can present a clear and present danger, you are just another average dolt that shouldn't be walking around armed and loaded.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by njineermike

He only did that AFTER his opponent said self defense was a good enough reason to get a concealed carry permit. Hes pandering for votes. He had to be sued to even budge in the first place.

Are you aware the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

And?

He's issuing permits. I carry every day now. The machinations behind that happening are irrelevant to the fact that I do not face arrest and prosecution for exercising my rights now.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

Gore's standards for good cause have not changed. Unless you can present a clear and present danger, you are just another average dolt that shouldn't be walking around armed and loaded.

I have a permit today that I would not have last year, the year before that, five years ago, ten years ago. Things have changed. Not perfectly, but they have changed. If you demand Constitutional carry or nothing, you'll wind up with nothing.

[Nachoman]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

Gore's standards for good cause have not changed.

Except that all evidence points to the contrary.

[speedrrracer]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I have a permit today that I would not have last year, the year before that, five years ago, ten years ago. Things have changed. Not perfectly, but they have changed. If you demand Constitutional carry or nothing, you'll wind up with nothing.

You may have a permit, but even if that's true, it just means you have some "approved' situation in your life (handle lots of cash, work as a security guard, whatever). Regular citizens still can't defend themselves outside of their homes -- legally.

And while we'd all prefer Constitutional carry, nobody is demanding it, so that's a ridiculous mischaracterization. The majority of people are only asking for self-defense as GC, which is a million miles away from ConCarry, and Gore has never been willing to offer that.

I vote against him each election, but can't seem to dump his useless arse. Hopefully he'll "retire" very soon.

[rugershooter]

I'm just gonna repost what Paladin wrote:

I should mention that with over 1,500 issued CCWs I'm thinking that's a record for SDSO. I doubt it has ever had that many issue before. I've asked baggss, to whom I sent old CCW stat documents, if he can look into that and post what he finds. Also, my estimate is CA recently passed 100,000 CCWs statewide -- another record, I'd bet. AFAIK, we did NOT lose any counties to anti sheriffs in the June election and we'll find out after they're sworn in next January what the new Sonoma and Yolo county sheriffs' CCW policies are like. Any improvement is to be applauded. Plus, if Kavanaugh gets on SCOTUS and if National Reciprocity passes in September ... things are really looking good despite the antis being in control of Sacto and the MSM.

It's not perfect. Gore is still an a**hole for not accepting simple self defense as good cause. He's still a POS for Ruby Ridge. We get that. But that doesn't change the current fact that he's issuing CCW permits more readily than either he or his predecessor have before. I absolutely wouldn't encourage voting for him. But the fact is that San Diego County is seeing more permits. That's good, regardless of his reasons for doing so.
Any progress is better than no progress.

[speedrrracer]

Originally Posted by rugershooter

It's not perfect. Gore is still an a**hole for not accepting simple self defense as good cause. He's still a POS for Ruby Ridge. We get that. But that doesn't change the current fact that he's issuing CCW permits more readily than either he or his predecessor have before. I absolutely wouldn't encourage voting for him. But the fact is that San Diego County is seeing more permits. That's good, regardless of his reasons for doing so.
Any progress is better than no progress.

Progress? Not really. More like "a difference which makes no difference", because if Gore ever decides to decline to renew all your CCW privileges in 2/3/4 years, your "progress" won't exist.

But we can agree to disagree. It's not that big a deal, more like quibbling over the placement of deck chairs on the Titanic. Gore is a screwed up scumbag, but in the larger sense his issuance posture is just a symptom of the disease.

So dismiss the unimportant -- here's my bet, no money, just a gentleman's wager (so to speak):

We'll have open carry (for all CA, not just special snowflakes with magical "good cause") from SCOTUS before your "progress" makes CCW available to all CA citizens (and CCW from CA under pressure from OC does not count)

[rugershooter]

Originally Posted by speedrrracer

Progress? Not really. More like "a difference which makes no difference", because if Gore ever decides to decline to renew all your CCW privileges in 2/3/4 years, your "progress" won't exist.

But we can agree to disagree. It's not that big a deal, more like quibbling over the placement of deck chairs on the Titanic. Gore is a screwed up scumbag, but in the larger sense his issuance posture is just a symptom of the disease.

So dismiss the unimportant -- here's my bet, no money, just a gentleman's wager (so to speak):

We'll have open carry (for all CA, not just special snowflakes with magical "good cause") from SCOTUS before your "progress" makes CCW available to all CA citizens (and CCW from CA under pressure from OC does not count)

Whatever, dude.
S*** in one hand and wish in the other....
It's ok, continue to live in a fantasy world where it isn't progress for the number of permits to triple in a year.

[Paladin]

Slightly OT, but it's for the good of the pessimist among us: CA, for the 1st time EVER has passed 100,000 CCWers!

Per John Lott,PhD, we had 108,000 CCWers as of last March. (see p.12 in link)
https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...127118&EXT=pdf

ETA: there are 17.25M CCWers nationwide now, and that's not counting all the people CCing without a permit in the 12 Constitutional Carry states.

[Jimi Jah]

That is an embarrassment in a state with 40 million people. The rest of the country is approaching 5%. We are such a tiny fraction of that it's hardly worth mentioning except to point out how restrictive and un-American California is.

[LoadedM333]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

That is an embarrassment in a state with 40 million people. The rest of the country is approaching 5%. We are such a tiny fraction of that it's hardly worth mentioning except to point out how restrictive and un-American California is.

Agreed.


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[baranski]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

That is an embarrassment in a state with 40 million people. The rest of the country is approaching 5%. We are such a tiny fraction of that it's hardly worth mentioning except to point out how restrictive and un-American California is.

Have you applied?

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by baranski

Have you applied?

Come on. You should know better than to ask that. He just bit--es and moans and does NOTHING but discourage others in CA. Whining is unmanly, but whining and choosing to do NOTHING to fix the problem? That's like a little girl having a temper tantrum.



When I look at that bar graph, I see we're 5th from last place (ahead of HI, NJ, DC, and RI) and predict that, if nothing changes legally, with just the passage of 4 years we'll pass MD and NY to be 7th from bottom. We've got major counties that switched to faster and smoother online app process and the benefits just started kicking in this year. (You-know-who probably looks at that and says "We're doomed! The future is hopeless!")

If Gore takes OC's advice, gets more staffing ASAP and switches to online application process, I think come Jan 2023, EVEN WITHOUT winning any Carry Cases or other counties "changing colors" (liberalizing issuance), we'll get to 2.5% issuance, which would put us ahead of MS, AK, and DE (assuming their rates stay the same). By then or around then, assuming Kavanaugh gets on SCOTUS and 1 anti gets replaced by another Trump justice, we should win a Right to Carry of some sort for the entire nation.


As far as the pathological pessimist ("Debbie Downer"): just ignore his posts by adding him to your Ignore list, like I did. You won't even see his dis-couraging posts when you log on, only when someone else quotes him. Life is more pleasant without such people in your life.

More I think about this, the more I think maybe psych evals should be mandatory for CA CCWs....

[Jimi Jah]

Originally Posted by baranski

Have you applied?

I don't fit in Gore's requirements.

[jpballa]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

I don't fit in Gore's requirements.

Well, you can if you write some convoluted story about how you are substantially more at risk than the average Joe, then hope and pray that is sufficient. Please mister Gore, my circumstances are such that I must carry to protect myself and my family. Please, pretty please.
Yeah, I don't think so either.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

I don't fit in Gore's requirements.

I didn't for a long time, either.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Paladin

1577 CCWs -- an increase of 85!

Sheriff Gore is turning SDSO into a lean, mean CCW issuing machine!

OMG! Gore's gone and done it again: SDSO is now at 1682 CCWs -- an increase of 105 in one month! Yet another record total and, probably, a record monthly increase!



https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

Plus, note how Gore went from approving 85 in a month to approving 105: ~25% increase in the rate of CCWs approved per month. Hopefully, that increases next month too.

If the increasing rate of issuance keeps up, SDSO should break 2,000 CCWers by New Years and 3,000 CCWers in just over a year from now.

If SDSO switches to online apps and that transition goes smoothly, Gore can crank them out even faster!

Personally, I look forward to SDSO having issued 7,500 CCWs. Why? SD co has an adult (>21) pop. of ~2.5M. One half the national avg of the rate of CCWs -- can't really expect better in the PRK, even if we were Shall Issue -- would be 75,000 CCWers: 7,500 is 1/10th of that. SD Co will finally have passed the first major milestone on its way to where it should be: 75,000 CCWers.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...rnia/PST045217

[Maulerrr]

I'm shooting to attend one of those guides to getting a CCW here in SD. The place holding the class is claiming that it's much much easier to get a CCW now and that Gore is issuing like a bat out of hell. I really don't have any unique gc to provide besides self defense, and I'm sure that's the same for most folks. But I'm curious to see how they spin it

[Mjaquette]

Originally Posted by Maulerrr

I'm shooting to attend one of those guides to getting a CCW here in SD. The place holding the class is claiming that it's much much easier to get a CCW now and that Gore is issuing like a bat out of hell. I really don't have any unique gc to provide besides self defense, and I'm sure that's the same for most folks. But I'm curious to see how they spin it

Where can I find info on these classes? I’d be very interested in attending.


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[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Maulerrr

I'm shooting to attend one of those guides to getting a CCW here in SD. The place holding the class is claiming that it's much much easier to get a CCW now and that Gore is issuing like a bat out of hell. I really don't have any unique gc to provide besides self defense, and I'm sure that's the same for most folks. But I'm curious to see how they spin it

Originally Posted by Mjaquette

Where can I find info on these classes? I’d be very interested in attending.

San Diego County Gun Owners

https://www.facebook.com/SDCGO/

https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/

https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/

If you apply and get denied, the most you're out is ~$105 (IIRC, I posted the exact amount somewhere earlier in this thread.)

Let us know how it goes.

[Nachoman]

Originally Posted by Maulerrr

I'm shooting to attend one of those guides to getting a CCW here in SD. The place holding the class is claiming that it's much much easier to get a CCW now and that Gore is issuing like a bat out of hell. I really don't have any unique gc to provide besides self defense, and I'm sure that's the same for most folks. But I'm curious to see how they spin it

I'd recommend calling the SD Sheriff Dept to make an appointment while you tweak your good cause. The wait times for an appointment are several months, so you have plenty of time to figure out your GC while you wait for your appointment date.

[SD County Gun Owners PAC]

The question of why Gore has changed has come up.

Here is the story. San Diego County Gun Owners SDCGO launched in late 2015. From the start we focused on the Sheriff’s CCW policies and getting him to change them or elect someone who will.
In no particular order SDCGO:
- Spoke to Gore’s supporters, donors, friends, colleagues, and staff about what was wrong with his CCW policies.
- Interviewed on TV news, radio, and in print regarding Gore’s CCW policies
- We met with organizations that had endorsed him in the past and got them to withhold their endorsement due to his CCW policies
- Sent people to Gore’s fundraisers and speaking events to publicly criticize his CCW policies
- Met with Gore to complain about his polices
- Met with his opponent and helped him (a lot) craft his proposed CCW policy
- Raised money for his opponent and eventually endorsed his opponent
- Authored a resolution (letter from the city) for Santee stating that they, as a city, disagree with his CCW policy and want him to change it
- Got other elected officials on the federal and local level to meet with Gore and ask him to change his CCW polices. Some of this was made public and published in newspapers.
- Got the undersheriff in Orange County to talk to Gore about how successful their CCW program has been
This is most of what we did and in the end it worked. After Santee passed their resolution he called SDCGO and we spent last summer meeting with Gore’s staff. We asked for good cause to be “self defense” or “personal protection”. We did not get that. But what we got is better than it has been in decades.
Just about any good cause is approved, but the tricky part is you have to have proof. Gore was audited by the state and he doesn’t want a bad audit. So there has to be some kind of proof or backup showing your good cause is real.
Example:
Good cause – I’m a contractor and carry expensive tools to the job sight.
Proof – contractor’s license
Good cause – I hoke and camp often in San Diego’s back country.
Proof – pictures of you camping and a log book showing specifically where you go, how long, and what you bring.

I met with the undersheriff two weeks ago and they are full steam ahead on making the process better and continuing to issue. Last September there were around 1,100 CCWs issued in San Diego (not including judges and law enforcement). As of tonight there are 1682 (according to the counter added to the sheriff’s CCW webpage). Over 500 additional permits issued in just under a year. About a dozen have been turned down to background check issues (like finding a domestic violence conviction or recent DUI) and around 6 have been turned down due to their good cause statement. Mostly it was because they did not follow our instructions or refused to produce proof. I think they should have been granted a CCW, but I also think they would have been issued a permit had they followed our instructions.
They have hired more staff and I am trying to convince them to get the same software Orange County uses to run their program. SDCGO continues to fight back bureaucracy that has tried to creep into the system and we’ve been successful. It is NOT perfect…but we are continuing to make it better and we can hardly believe how much it has changed for the better.
Basically, most people in San Diego are about 16 sentences away from a CCW. It is real. It is happening. If you haven’t applied yet, you are missing out. There is a backlog and yes, that sucks. Call right now and make your appointment. Then take a few months while you wait for your first appointment to complete the application, write your good cause statement, get proof of your good cause, and take a few training classes on CA carry laws/lethal force laws.
I have given over 30 seminars (most were free) on how to get your CCW and what to write for your good cause. SDCGO has produced a video explaining how to apply and what to write for your good cause. We have produced a Good Cause Worksheet that walks you through each sentence. SDCGO has posted over 25 good cause statements that we know have been approved. All can be found on www.SDCGO.org/CCW

-Michael Schwartz
SDCGO, Executive Director

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC

The question of why Gore has changed has come up.

Here is the story. ...

<big snip>

-Michael Schwartz
SDCGO, Executive Director

Wow! Seems like you threw everything at Gore except the kitchen sink.

Thanks for the great write up, Michael. Hopefully, some others in the remaining 13 anti counties will be inspired and guided by your successful effort.

Hopefully, as Gore gets more experience and comfortable with CCWers, he'll go to SD = GC taking SD Co to "dark green" in the CA CCW GC map.

[CessnaDriver]

Needless to say but needs repeating JOIN SD County Gun Owners.
This progress didn't happen magically. And is often the case.. that last part of a job sometimes takes more effort than all the effort that went before.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC

Last September there were around 1,100 CCWs issued in San Diego (not including judges and law enforcement). As of tonight there are 1682 (according to the counter added to the sheriff’s CCW webpage). Over 500 additional permits issued in just under a year. About a dozen have been turned down to background check issues (like finding a domestic violence conviction or recent DUI) and around 6 have been turned down due to their good cause statement. Mostly it was because they did not follow our instructions or refused to produce proof. I think they should have been granted a CCW, but I also think they would have been issued a permit had they followed our instructions.

Acc to this Press Telegram article, when the state audit took place (June 2017, IIRC), SDSO had issued only 464 of the 2-year CCWs over the previous 3 years, far fewer than 1,100.

San Diego County also maintains a restrictive view of “good cause,” issuing 464 CCW permits in the last three years.

https://www.presstelegram.com/2017/1...rules-equally/

ETA: Here's the full audit report: http://www.auditor.ca.gov/pdfs/reports/2017-101.pdf

Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC

They have hired more staff and I am trying to convince them to get the same software Orange County uses to run their program. SDCGO continues to fight back bureaucracy that has tried to creep into the system and we’ve been successful. It is NOT perfect…but we are continuing to make it better and we can hardly believe how much it has changed for the better.

<snip>

-Michael Schwartz
SDCGO, Executive Director

FWIW, Sanberdo uses online apps, but not Permitium.com Sanberdo's looks cheaper and probably is. Just a FYI in case $$$ is an issue.