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CASEC 09-09-2019 12:05 PM

O7/ SOT in Gilbert, AZ anyone else out here?
 
Hey this is a great idea for a thread. Anyone else move to Phoenix? Lets get coffee, or shoot some FA Suppressed!

audiophil2 09-09-2019 3:31 PM

too hot to shoot still unless it's a short trip or very early.

Socalmp5 09-09-2019 3:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CASEC (Post 23393928)
Hey this is a great idea for a thread. Anyone else move to Phoenix? Lets get coffee, or shoot some FA Suppressed!

I'm about to be in Peoria. Got anything long range ? 1k+

CASEC 09-09-2019 3:43 PM

Rio Salado runs to 800 yards I think


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audiophil2 09-09-2019 5:21 PM

I have a 1200 yard private range in the west valley. I'm thinking about opening it up to unsupervised memberships so I do not have to babysit people. Limit it to 20 or so members. Yearly membership.

Rombot 09-09-2019 6:30 PM

Iím also in Gilbert, just waiting for the Tanto Area to open for shooting again.


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CASEC 09-09-2019 7:51 PM

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I have a 1200 yard private range in the west valley. I'm thinking about opening it up to unsupervised memberships so I do not have to babysit people. Limit it to 20 or so members. Yearly membership.

Please let me know. I'd love to sign up!

CASEC 09-09-2019 7:53 PM

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Iím also in Gilbert, just waiting for the Tanto Area to open for shooting again.


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If you would be willing to tell me where this area is I would appreciate it.

Rombot 09-10-2019 4:37 AM

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sigstroker 09-10-2019 6:43 PM

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Rio Salado runs to 800 yards I think


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Ben Avery is a lot closer to Peoria. The "Berger" range is 1000 yards, but I don't know how accessible it is on non-match days.

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Originally Posted by audiophil2 (Post 23394949)
I have a 1200 yard private range in the west valley. I'm thinking about opening it up to unsupervised memberships so I do not have to babysit people. Limit it to 20 or so members. Yearly membership.

You need a Jeep or Jeep-like to get there, right?

audiophil2 09-10-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sigstroker (Post 23398552)
Ben Avery is a lot closer to Peoria. The "Berger" range is 1000 yards, but I don't know how accessible it is on non-match days.



You need a Jeep or Jeep-like to get there, right?

Depends on how much you like your car. I prefer it to be rugged terrain to keep riff raff out but the neighbor next to me wants to grade the road. Unless it is wet a high clearance 2wd can get there. I've had customers in new RAV4s make it. A civic would not.

-hanko 09-11-2019 3:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CASEC (Post 23393928)
Hey this is a great idea for a thread. Anyone else move to Phoenix? Lets get coffee, or shoot some FA Suppressed!

Check the BATFE website...you can find ffl's in your area by zip code.

audiophil2 09-11-2019 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CASEC (Post 23395451)
Please let me know. I'd love to sign up!

you are in gilbert so it is quite a drive but i have guys that come up from tuscon.

i also have a 40 acre lot in buckeye area that is next to blm. long range can go to 3 miles in theory. i have not touched that lot yet since my 10 acre more fuln to wheel on but it would be much better for normal cars to access. it is smooth graded roads up to the property line. just no natural berms so i have to make some.

i might use that lot as a discounted range since it is very plain but perfect for camping with an rv.

sigstroker 09-15-2019 1:07 AM

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Originally Posted by audiophil2 (Post 23399209)
Depends on how much you like your car. I prefer it to be rugged terrain to keep riff raff out but the neighbor next to me wants to grade the road. Unless it is wet a high clearance 2wd can get there. I've had customers in new RAV4s make it. A civic would not.

My car drags on ordinary speed bumps if I forget to take a case of water bottles out of the trunk after visiting the store. :(

sigstroker 09-15-2019 1:12 AM

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Originally Posted by audiophil2 (Post 23401448)
you are in gilbert so it is quite a drive but i have guys that come up from tuscon.

i also have a 40 acre lot in buckeye area that is next to blm. long range can go to 3 miles in theory. i have not touched that lot yet since my 10 acre more fuln to wheel on but it would be much better for normal cars to access. it is smooth graded roads up to the property line. just no natural berms so i have to make some.

i might use that lot as a discounted range since it is very plain but perfect for camping with an rv.

Any idea of what a berm would cost to make? I've been in search of a chunk of land around here but none of it has a natural berm. All the land in the canyons is highly populated.

audiophil2 09-15-2019 3:31 PM

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Any idea of what a berm would cost to make? I've been in search of a chunk of land around here but none of it has a natural berm. All the land in the canyons is highly populated.

I guess that depends on how elaborate and the size. Plus access to the property. My 40 acre lot is an easy drive on paved and graded roads. Not much vegetation so berms will be easy to make. I'm thinking of doing 3 or 4 stalls so multiple people can be there safely.

The 10 acre lot is close to a guy that has a large dozer so I might just pay him to update it than rent a skid steer or tractor. He could do the work in 1/10 the time since he is a pro and has a much larger bucket.

sigstroker 09-15-2019 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by audiophil2 (Post 23414139)
I guess that depends on how elaborate and the size. Plus access to the property. My 40 acre lot is an easy drive on paved and graded roads. Not much vegetation so berms will be easy to make. I'm thinking of doing 3 or 4 stalls so multiple people can be there safely.

The 10 acre lot is close to a guy that has a large dozer so I might just pay him to update it than rent a skid steer or tractor. He could do the work in 1/10 the time since he is a pro and has a much larger bucket.

I would just want a single stall for myself to use. Mostly as a cya so that neighbors that complain about noise, and they will complain, won't get any traction from LE because it will be legal for me to shoot there.

The area I'm thinking of is flat and sound travels a long way. I'd probably be within earshot of 40 or 50 different neighbors.

So do you think it would be 3 figures? 4 figures? 5 (gulp) figures?

audiophil2 09-15-2019 9:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sigstroker (Post 23414819)
I would just want a single stall for myself to use. Mostly as a cya so that neighbors that complain about noise, and they will complain, won't get any traction from LE because it will be legal for me to shoot there.

The area I'm thinking of is flat and sound travels a long way. I'd probably be within earshot of 40 or 50 different neighbors.

So do you think it would be 3 figures? 4 figures? 5 (gulp) figures?

in the mid 4 figure area since you need a big dozer to get berms at least 8 ft high. it is an issue of a tru k and trailer that can haul a dozer and driver amd insurance. a skid steer rents for $250 a day but it won't build berms. those are limited to clearing brush.

Beatone 09-15-2019 11:15 PM

Once I get settled into my new home i'll contact some of you to go shooting. In the 70's I'd go shooting in the old river bed. Not anymore.

sigstroker 09-16-2019 1:14 AM

Around here the "old river bed" sand wash got declared a riparian reserve because an inch long frog lives in the river that's 5 miles away.

DanB 09-17-2019 12:59 PM

I left CA in 1989 and now I've just moved to the Phoenix area from Florida. So I get to bring all my class 3 stuff with me. I haven't had a chance to go shooting yet because of the temps, but I went up to Ben Avery and you can shoot to 1K yds if you join the "Desert Sharpshooters" and pass a prequel. shooting class. I 've heard of a range called "Cowtown" and an indoor range you can shoot rifles to 50yds. I'd be interested in getting in on a semi private range. I'm retired and can run a backhoe and a bobcat pretty good for some sweat equity. Dan

audiophil2 09-17-2019 3:04 PM

I've been trying to think of a fair way to share out my private range so the price is low and there is a enough available time for each member to get fair amount of use.

I wanted to limit it to under 50 members. 20-30 would be ideal.

There are 2 semi private clubs in Phoenix area.

Phoenix Rod and Gun CLub is $100/yr and has a lot of members. The pluses are that is hosts a lot of organized shooting events and during the week it is empty. The negatives are that is does not allow machine guns and is still a very structured environment. It is great for zeroing a gun or working on load data out to 500 yards.

Cowtown is more like what I want to do but in a much smaller and exclusive environment. Cowtown charges $420/yr just to access the range. A family membership is $960/yr. You still have to pay for range time and to rent steel. I have no idea how much those fees cost. Plus you only get 2 hours of range time with no stacking of hours.

My range is 10 acres of no holds barred shooting fun.
I follow the 4 basic gun safety rules.
Since it is in the desert and there is scrub I only expect the use of tracers and tannerite to be done with prior approval. Rainy season is no problem.

I have considered a yearly membership like cowtown. I just cannot figure out how to make sure every member has a fair and equal amount of range time. I know the weekends are always in demand. Weekdays not so much. Then the hot season of June through October keeps even the hardcore enthusiasts at home.

I was thinking of only focusing on the weekends. 4 hour blocks.
0600-1000
1030-1430
1500-1900

that allows 6 slots per weekend and 6 members could shoot 1x a month 12 months a year.

I could then open up weekdays to additional members (retirees/no traditional jobs). That would open up an additional 15 4 hour blocks.

I would also allow overnight camping. We do not shoot from 9pm until 6am unless it is with suppressors and subsonic ammo.
Overnight camping would be a separate fee from the yearly membership.

With only 6 weekend slots for 6 members I am thinking of charging
$800/yr single member
$1200/yr. for a family in the same household (2 adults/3 children under 18) That $800/1200 will include:
4 hours of range time every month.
right to overnight camp
access to steel plates (any damage beyond normal use will be charged)
onsite run and gun course
onsite long distance range set up for 100-1200 yards
first come first serve open reservations for free additional time during weekdays that are not reserved by other members.

additional guests will be allowed at $50/guest per session.

I would discount the week day memberships.
Fridays $600/1000 per year
Monday through Thursday $500/800 per year

I don't know if that type of membership would be ideal or if I should charge a smaller yearly membership like $400 and then have a first come first served reservation system of $50 per 4 hour block.


Then there is my 40 acre lot. I could make that more like a typical public gun range where more than 1 member can use it daily. The lot is 1320x1320ft. I could easily make 20 bays 20 feet wide that would be protected on each side from the other bays. Maybe 200 yard deep bays. It would allow 20 memberships to use the land at the same time and still be reasonably protected from other members.

laabstract 09-22-2019 1:45 PM

I am in Gilbert if anyone wants to get together to shoot now that it seems to be cooling off.

audiophil2 09-23-2019 8:53 AM

Was a great day yesterday. Spent 6 hours on my range with my son and friend. My kid went through about 400 rounds of 9mm testing out machine guns while the adults were mapping out new run and gun lanes and a driveway to access a camping spot I want on top of a hill.


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