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Calif Hunter 06-03-2019 8:59 AM

Attendance Way Down!
 
The Compton Hunting and Fishing Club held its FNRA dinner on Saturday, and attendance was much lower than previous years. We are usually a High Caliber Club and often win Top Net accolades. Instead of 100-120 people, there were perhaps 70.

Regardless, the food was great - many appetizers including deep fried turkeys and the main meal of a heavy salad bar, slow smoked brisket, baked beans, au gratin potatoes and cheesecake was enjoyed by all.

From what I have heard, all the FNRA events have been down this year....

wpage 06-05-2019 4:27 PM

This may be a rough time till something good breaks for the NRA.

The flack from the sleaze bag NYC lawyers and politicians is heavy.

BCA142 06-05-2019 4:32 PM

The San Jose attendance was also down. Though our table of 8 went home with 6 or 7 firearms. About the same haul as last year.

CABilly 06-09-2019 4:26 PM

Until they get their sh straight I'll save my money and time for other things. Funding WLP's suits and travel and all the internal squabbling and being more an industry lobby than citizens' action committee has turned me off.

Also, I spend a ton of $$ at dinners like this and never win anything good. I always see top prizes go to head tables and I know it's probably not rigged but I still feel like a mark at the end of the night.

Calif Hunter 06-11-2019 10:18 AM

The big spenders do win more prizes as they buy more tickets and thus increase their odds. At our dinner, we also have games to win specific guns (as I am sure most of dinners do, too.) Our dinner does have a couple smaller raffles where the odds at better - like a sponsor raffle for several guns where each sponsor gets only 1 ticket and an Early Bird raffle for a gun, where if you buy your ticket early, you get one ticket.

So are you going to contribute to CRPA, Gun Owners of America or some other pro-2A group rather than the NRA?

xsefan 06-17-2019 6:29 PM

I have never wanted to be part of the NRA.
They do to many pro gun rallies with in a week of a shooting. That's just poor taste. They also dont do much for members. A local shop owner was arrested in 2006ish for selling assault weapons. He had lowers with mags and mag catches in and a 1/4 nut on the catch. The nut was welded to the catch. The Madison society helped him and his family. All charges were dropped. The NRA never returned his wife's calls. This happened in Modesto. The owner is now in free America. Working in the gun industry .

MattyMX 06-18-2019 8:12 AM

I missed the Big Bear one this weekend.
Unexpectedly had to go into work but I heard it was a little lower that usual and it was in a smaller venue this year...

sfarchitect 06-18-2019 4:57 PM

The 'flack' from the 'sleezebag' NY Lawyers and politicians seems to be richly deserved. The 'Royalty' of the NRA have run it is their personal fiefdom for a generation. Why because they're the 'NRA' and who's gonna' say otherwise. They, like our political class, have capitulated entirely to the interests of the industry. The NRA has staked out such extremist policy positions, again serving the interests of the industry, that the majority of their membership doesn't even support them. These policy positions are, to my thinking, precisely what has lead the rest of the population of the US to see anyone that owns a gun as a 'gun nut'. They've ignored and knowingly and with full intention violated dozens of laws governing non-profits, co-mingling of funds, transfer & use of those funds etc. for equally long. There's an old saying about the law 'traveling on a leaden foot but striking with an iron fist'. It is only because it is the NRA that this took so long to happen.

No one but the NRA is to blame for what is happening to the NRA. It just couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people too.

harbormaster 06-21-2019 3:04 PM

2a Wins
 
Short of some more magazine like rulings I don't know how its possible; its not like they will get a fair shake in the media.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wpage (Post 23076924)
This may be a rough time till something good breaks for the NRA.

The flack from the sleaze bag NYC lawyers and politicians is heavy.


bubbapug1 06-24-2019 4:30 PM

Top man has to go. His hubris and appetite for cash have become a burden to the organization. He's not a prophet, he's a pig. A pig that don't fly straight.

Norsemen308 06-25-2019 9:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbapug1 (Post 23141031)
Top man has to go. His hubris and appetite for cash have become a burden to the organization. He's not a prophet, he's a pig. A pig that don't fly straight.

Could not agree more.

I took my yearly membership to FPC

Garand Hunter 06-30-2019 3:27 PM

May I ask who is FPC ? Just wondering, no attitude. Thanks

Psalm 1

hermosabeach 06-30-2019 3:46 PM

Firearms Policy Coalition - they send me emails the same time Gavin sends me emails....


I am glad you do a Friends of the NRA banquet.... but maybe CRPA would be a better choice...

M76 06-30-2019 3:59 PM

Every time I hear an authoritarian dnc leftist attack and bash the NRA,
I'm glad I am a member. The dnc leftists want to see the NRA fold up,
I'll continue to support them and hope they manage to clean house.

OCEquestrian 07-02-2019 3:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbapug1 (Post 23141031)
Top man has to go... he's a pig. A pig that don't fly straight.

I am very committed member of the NRA, a life member for the last 20 some odd years and I will continue to support the NRA with my membership and my financial contributions. The NRA Is the only organization that is effective at the federal level to protect the second amendment. There is a reason that the gun grabbing Democrats Are constantly referencing the NRA. You don't hear them condemning and vilifying The Second Amendment foundation, the CRPA, or gun owners of America. Only the NRA is hated and despised by the enemies of the Constitution and the Second Amendment. That's all I need to know.

That said, clearly Wayne Lapierre has been at the helm of the NRA for far too long and needs to go.



Oldmandan 07-03-2019 6:50 AM

I agree, not interested in donating until Lapierre is gone...

Foebia 07-14-2019 2:45 PM

Misallocated resources, poor management.

I sent a life menbership with auto withdraw and never seen a withdraw. When i called the said he couldnt help me and try to sell me ither crap. Its ran horribly, i would hate to see it go but the6 need to put out instead of hiding under a rock

Joe Bishop 07-23-2019 10:01 PM

Been an NRA member for 30 years except this year. There's a lot of in fighting and mismanagement of funds ongoing. Getting back to basics, the U.S. Constitution is absolute. And regarding the 2nd Amendment, what it says, is what it means. To think that it hasn't been tested in the U.S. Supreme Court is an embarrassment to all Americans. Where is the NRA in going against California gun restrictions, ammo, magazines ect? Exactly, its all about $$$$!!

I also give to the 2nd Amendment Foundation to.

tsmithson 07-24-2019 12:01 AM

I would think if evil forces in the US and around the world sow discord and division to destroy and overthrow countryís. Maybe there are evil forces trying to destroy the NRA from within. I support all things good like Freedom and The Constitution. Inasmuch as the NRA supports these principals I am for them. I can overlook some faults (same with our President).
You donít have to be perfect to do some good.

toro1 08-01-2019 5:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian (Post 23168587)
I am very committed member of the NRA, a life member for the last 20 some odd years and I will continue to support the NRA with my membership and my financial contributions. The NRA Is the only organization that is effective at the federal level to protect the second amendment. There is a reason that the gun grabbing Democrats Are constantly referencing the NRA. You don't hear them condemning and vilifying The Second Amendment foundation, the CRPA, or gun owners of America. Only the NRA is hated and despised by the enemies of the Constitution and the Second Amendment. That's all I need to know.

That said, clearly Wayne Lapierre has been at the helm of the NRA for far too long and needs to go.


This sums up my feelings also.

I Swan 08-01-2019 9:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calif Hunter (Post 23068173)
The Compton Hunting and Fishing Club held its FNRA dinner on Saturday, and attendance was much lower than previous years. We are usually a High Caliber Club and often win Top Net accolades. Instead of 100-120 people, there were perhaps 70.

Regardless, the food was great - many appetizers including deep fried turkeys and the main meal of a heavy salad bar, slow smoked brisket, baked beans, au gratin potatoes and cheesecake was enjoyed by all.

From what I have heard, all the FNRA events have been down this year....

I forgot about it or may have attended. I have a feeling like with gun shows that the core attendees are in many cases dying off. Are you all seeing a lot of younger fresher new faces at these events?

Most gun shows are mainly an older White male crowd and I remember these dinners being mainly the same way as well.

Harry Ono 08-02-2019 5:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Swan (Post 23266449)
I forgot about it or may have attended. I have a feeling like with gun shows that the core attendees are in many cases dying off. Are you all seeing a lot of younger fresher new faces at these events?

Most gun shows are mainly an older White male crowd and I remember these dinners being mainly the same way as well.

As far as Gun Clubs and Shows your right, but when going to the ranges I seen as young as 9 year old girls shooting with dad. There are lots of teens to 20s going to Shooting Ranges these days, but few Old White men. I also saw a group of young employees from local tech company doing a shooting day out at the range. Not bad. I dont think many 20 year old actual are aware of these social clubs and shows.

Hooligan 08-05-2019 9:45 PM

For all the spam emails and junk mail the NRA sends, I don’t recall getting notices on the Friends dinners. Do they only share my personal information with their stupid wine of the month club and not their local chapters?

Calif Hunter 08-07-2019 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Swan (Post 23266449)
I forgot about it or may have attended. I have a feeling like with gun shows that the core attendees are in many cases dying off. Are you all seeing a lot of younger fresher new faces at these events?

Most gun shows are mainly an older White male crowd and I remember these dinners being mainly the same way as well.

We are seeing more families, actually, with younger children, as well as individuals in their 30s, even some in their 20s. This is just at our dinner, though. Mixed races and ethnicities.

big red 08-21-2019 12:33 PM

Only NRA members can clean up the NRA. everyone else just withholds it's money. I was never a club person but i donated at local fund raising until certain people took over and when my NRA friends complained i quit donating and won't start again until they are happy with what they have. The problem is they have to clean up their own place.

Jimi Jah 08-29-2019 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldmandan (Post 23170514)
I agree, not interested in donating until Lapierre is gone...

That's where I'm at as well. I can't reward corruption. I hope they know this sooner rather than later.

Packy14 08-30-2019 12:24 PM

I'm a lifetime member, but currently i wont give them any more $. I also dropped their carryguard product as they would not give me a straight answer as to its status if push came to shove. They also wouldn't give me a prorated refund... classy. They don't do much for us in Cali, so until they change the head and actually back us strongly, its whatevers.

HUTCH 7.62 08-30-2019 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hooligan (Post 23280257)
For all the spam emails and junk mail the NRA sends, I donít recall getting notices on the Friends dinners. Do they only share my personal information with their stupid wine of the month club and not their local chapters?

This.

humble servant 08-30-2019 5:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M76 (Post 23161510)
Every time I hear an authoritarian dnc leftist attack and bash the NRA,
I'm glad I am a member. The dnc leftists want to see the NRA fold up,
I'll continue to support them and hope they manage to clean house.

I feel the same.

Featureless 08-30-2019 5:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsefan (Post 23117853)
I have never wanted to be part of the NRA.
They do to many pro gun rallies with in a week of a shooting. That's just poor taste. They also dont do much for members. A local shop owner was arrested in 2006ish for selling assault weapons. He had lowers with mags and mag catches in and a 1/4 nut on the catch. The nut was welded to the catch. The Madison society helped him and his family. All charges were dropped. The NRA never returned his wife's calls. This happened in Modesto. The owner is now in free America. Working in the gun industry .

Yeah don't do anything to defend 2A. Just post whiney complaints against those who are (actually defending YOUR 2A rights). :rolleyes:

packnrat 09-03-2019 12:05 AM

i bought into the life thing, but about all i get from the nra is from there "partner" they want me to buy there sh1t.
as to the dinners, heck i got bills to pay, so can not afford to go to a dried up chicken, rubber steak dinner.

Jess B. Guy 09-04-2019 6:58 AM

I go to about 7 NRA dinners each year. Haven't had any rubber steaks or dried chicken. Food is usually pretty good. The money from the dinners goes to shooting sports. No political speeches (other than table conversation). The auctions are fun (can be expensive though), and the comradery is great.
Friends of NRA website has all the info you need.

Calif Hunter 09-07-2019 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jess B. Guy (Post 23377175)
I go to about 7 NRA dinners each year. Haven't had any rubber steaks or dried chicken. Food is usually pretty good. The money from the dinners goes to shooting sports. No political speeches (other than table conversation). The auctions are fun (can be expensive though), and the comradery is great.
Friends of NRA website has all the info you need.

As he says, the money raised at the dinners goes towards local shooting sports cause, groups and projects. The Boy Scouts, other youth groups and shooting clubs are eligible for grants to improve their programs or facilities. Our club's youth program (a 503c organization) has gotten funds to host youth pheasant hunts and shooting clinics.

As I help cook for our dinner - all the food is donated by our club to improve the profits of the event - I can say there is no rubber steak or dried chicken. We start the night before with smoking beef brisket with red oak all night long. Appetizers including deep fried turkey are served during the games. Dinner starts with a huge salad bar. Dinner includes the brisket, home made baked beans, green beans with mushrooms, bacon and onions, rolls and the starch varies between mac and cheese, au gratin potatoes or rice pilaf. Sometimes grilled shrimp is included with the dinner. Cheesecake is usually the desert. We get rave reviews for our food.

Grumpyoldretiredcop 09-08-2019 10:05 PM

Went to my last one last year. Same big time sponsors took home all the guns, same as every other one I've attended. I'm a Life Member and am sick of LaPierre receiving and spending big bucks while shrilly complaining that the NRA's finances are in disarray. I'm equally sick of the political infighting among the directors. FPC gets my donations until the NRA house is cleaned up.

slamfire1 09-09-2019 4:58 AM

There is a real serious problem with financial integrity at the NRA. It is apparent that the leadership of the NRA is using the organization's money for their own lavish life styles. It is totally corrupt to be using sub contractors for personal services. I am certain Ollie understood this as Government people undergoing yearly training on ethics and not using contractors for personal services is always addressed.

We know that the NRA was sending membership money to a subcontractor and requiring that subcontractor to provide clothing to a board member. I have no doubt Wayne was also requiring travel services, booking flights and hotels, limo services, laundry, groceries, lawn and house maintenance, pet care, etc, etc. You can go down the list of the types of free services you want someone to do to make your life easy, and I have no doubt, the NRA board and Wayne were using NRA membership money for these personnel services.

This is bad. And the fact Ollie could not fire Wayne and his cronies just shows the NRA leadership is corrupt.


https://i.imgur.com/VkZcPer.jpg

Shadowtengu 09-13-2019 12:22 PM

I left the NRA when they abandoned Philando Castile, a law abiding citizen/teacher with a CCW. He was immediately treated as the cause of the incident, without trial or waiting for further information. it was all blue line first, civies second. I realized then the NRA doesn't really care about minority gun ownership. Or if they do, they missed one hell of a time to show it/support it. My money goes to CRPA now.

Thordo 09-18-2019 9:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calif Hunter (Post 23068173)
The Compton Hunting and Fishing Club held its FNRA dinner on Saturday, and attendance was much lower than previous years. We are usually a High Caliber Club and often win Top Net accolades. Instead of 100-120 people, there were perhaps 70.

Regardless, the food was great - many appetizers including deep fried turkeys and the main meal of a heavy salad bar, slow smoked brisket, baked beans, au gratin potatoes and cheesecake was enjoyed by all.

From what I have heard, all the FNRA events have been down this year....

Overall, FNRA attendance is down all over the country and no it has nothing to do with the NRA's finances or management. To dispel a lot of the negative comments about NRA in this thread, NONE of the funds collected (at least here in El Dorado County) go to NRA. It stays right here. Actually, at our dinners FNRA announces to whom ALL of their dinner revenue goes to. In El Dorado County, FNRA is the primary fundraiser for the EDC Sheriffs Explorers, they are like the scouts but they train with the Sheriffs Dept in preparation for joining the academy.

Attendance is simply cause and effect. Low interest in 2A due to pro gun administration = low FNRA attendance. Next year (election year) you'll likely see most events sell out again.

I'm personal friends with the NorCal FNRA organizer. He handles 20+ events from Fresno to the Oregon border and says attendance is down but not significantly. We have two here in EDC that still sell out every time. The next one is game night on 10/11.

We have been donating stock kits and sponsoring game tables for years at FNRA events in CA, NY, CT, and NJ.
It's a great organization that does a lot of good things.

Oh and YES!! The food is always awesome!!

Thordo

71MUSTY 09-18-2019 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xsefan (Post 23117853)
I have never wanted to be part of the NRA.
They do to many pro gun rallies with in a week of a shooting. That's just poor taste. They also dont do much for members. A local shop owner was arrested in 2006ish for selling assault weapons. He had lowers with mags and mag catches in and a 1/4 nut on the catch. The nut was welded to the catch. The Madison society helped him and his family. All charges were dropped. The NRA never returned his wife's calls. This happened in Modesto. The owner is now in free America. Working in the gun industry .

Quote:

Originally Posted by CABilly (Post 23091080)
Until they get their sh straight I'll save my money and time for other things. Funding WLP's suits and travel and all the internal squabbling and being more an industry lobby than citizens' action committee has turned me off.

Also, I spend a ton of $$ at dinners like this and never win anything good. I always see top prizes go to head tables and I know it's probably not rigged but I still feel like a mark at the end of the night.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbapug1 (Post 23141031)
Top man has to go. His hubris and appetite for cash have become a burden to the organization. He's not a prophet, he's a pig. A pig that don't fly straight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norsemen308 (Post 23145614)
Could not agree more.

I took my yearly membership to FPC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldmandan (Post 23170514)
I agree, not interested in donating until Lapierre is gone...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah (Post 23359420)
That's where I'm at as well. I can't reward corruption. I hope they know this sooner rather than later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Packy14 (Post 23362676)
I'm a lifetime member, but currently i wont give them any more $. I also dropped their carryguard product as they would not give me a straight answer as to its status if push came to shove. They also wouldn't give me a prorated refund... classy. They don't do much for us in Cali, so until they change the head and actually back us strongly, its whatevers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slamfire1 (Post 23392834)
There is a real serious problem with financial integrity at the NRA. It is apparent that the leadership of the NRA is using the organization's money for their own lavish life styles. It is totally corrupt to be using sub contractors for personal services. I am certain Ollie understood this as Government people undergoing yearly training on ethics and not using contractors for personal services is always addressed.

We know that the NRA was sending membership money to a subcontractor and requiring that subcontractor to provide clothing to a board member. I have no doubt Wayne was also requiring travel services, booking flights and hotels, limo services, laundry, groceries, lawn and house maintenance, pet care, etc, etc. You can go down the list of the types of free services you want someone to do to make your life easy, and I have no doubt, the NRA board and Wayne were using NRA membership money for these personnel services.

This is bad. And the fact Ollie could not fire Wayne and his cronies just shows the NRA leadership is corrupt.


https://i.imgur.com/VkZcPer.jpg


Do you let the media make all your decisions for you or just this one?

socal147 09-20-2019 6:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCEquestrian (Post 23168587)
I am very committed member of the NRA, a life member for the last 20 some odd years and I will continue to support the NRA with my membership and my financial contributions. The NRA Is the only organization that is effective at the federal level to protect the second amendment. There is a reason that the gun grabbing Democrats Are constantly referencing the NRA. You don't hear them condemning and vilifying The Second tAmendment foundation, the CRPA, or gun owners of America. Only the NRA is hated and despised by the enemies of the Constitution and the Second Amendment. That's all I need to know.

That said, clearly Wayne Lapierre has been at the helm of the NRA for far too long and needs to go.

Could not agree more ...

Divehobo 09-20-2019 7:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thordo (Post 23423348)
To dispel a lot of the negative comments about NRA in this thread, NONE of the funds collected (at least here in El Dorado County) go to NRA. It stays right here. Actually, at our dinners FNRA announces to whom ALL of their dinner revenue goes to. In El Dorado County, FNRA is the primary fundraiser for the EDC Sheriffs Explorers, they are like the scouts but they train with the Sheriffs Dept in preparation for joining the academy.

Attendance is simply cause and effect. Low interest in 2A due to pro gun administration = low FNRA attendance. Next year (election year) you'll likely see most events sell out again.

....

It's a great organization that does a lot of good things.

Oh and YES!! The food is always awesome!!

Thordo

Alan, thanks for your input. Tonight I will attend my first Friends of NRA diner in San Mateo and am completely psyched. I took my first handgun class with the NRA as Massachusetts required training to get handgun permit or even touch handgun at gun shop. I have never looked back and will continue to support the NRA as I have for the last 35 years. This year, I hope to get instructor ratings during Richmond Rod and Gun training week.


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