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Jaytil 08-10-2015 1:58 PM

I had a chance to change the scope mount and add a muzzle brake and those really helped. At 100, I had a 3 shot group (used the first two to sight in) with Hornady Amax 140s that measured .337" and a 5 shot group with Winchester Match (SMK 140s) that measured .526". I had one other group with Amax 140s that had a cold bore shot about 1/2" off, then 4 within .394". At 200 with the Amax, I had a 5 shot group measuring 1.54", but only shot that one group. I will be taking it out again this week and will post more results including a test of some 139 Scenar hand loads.

There are also lots of impressive results on Ruger's page called the RPR Challenge or something like that. Use a Ruger target, shoot the group pix with the RPR in the photo then submit for ranking.


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Jaytil 08-10-2015 2:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JMP (Post 16749770)
Randall, I THINK that will work because it is only a 50mm objective; otherwise, I'd go higher to be safe. This is the problem with a full picatinny quad rail up front as it requires more clearance, which inevitably results in greater bore height.



However, the ONLY reason to have the picatinny rail in front of your scope is for a NV or thermal adapter. If you use a night vision or thermal device in conjunction with your scope. I can guarantee that 1.25" will be too low. I think a more pragmatic solution would be to just cut off the top part of the forend rail.



To use with night vision, I am going to reach for a mount that is 1.8" or so as folks will find that will better synchronize with a typical clip on intensifier.



Thus, if you HAVE the rail, why not be able to use the rail? Go with a 1.85", then just know the adjustments for your bore height.


The 1.25s I used worked with my 50mm, but just barely. I may switch to some NF X-high (1.375) to accommodate flip up caps.

Good luck with the hunt for 35mm stuff.

Like JMP, I mentioned about 400 posts ago that it would have been nice to have a removeable rail on the Sampson for this exact reason (or the POF style front with the recess). Of course, it can be easily swapped to a tube and might even be net positive dollars after selling the Sampson.




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Jaytil 08-10-2015 2:23 PM

Ruger Precision Rifle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaytil (Post 16749775)
I had a chance to change the scope mount and add a muzzle brake and those really helped. At 100, I had a 3 shot group (used the first two to sight in) with Hornady Amax 140s that measured .337" and a 5 shot group with Winchester Match (SMK 140s) that measured .526". I had one other group with Amax 140s that had a cold bore shot about 1/2" off, then 4 within .394". At 200 with the Amax, I had a 5 shot group measuring 1.54", but only shot that one group. I will be taking it out again this week and will post more results including a test of some 139 Scenar hand loads.

There are also lots of impressive results on Ruger's page called the RPR Challenge or something like that. Use a Ruger target, shoot the group pix with the RPR in the photo then submit for ranking.


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bridgeport 08-10-2015 2:31 PM

Jaytil, I notice that your vertical is about a third of your overall. Sure looks like wind stringing to me, and it has been windy the past few days.
I would be curious to know what the vert measurement is.

Discogodfather 08-10-2015 2:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaytil (Post 16749811)

Of course, it can be easily swapped to a tube and might even be net positive dollars after selling the Sampson.


That's my plan, I have a 15" Diamondhead tube lying around from some aborted project and I am going to try it. All comes down to the design of the barrel nut, the Diamondhead like others only has a 1" clearance so if the barrel is 1" I would want to turn out some clearance, definietly a no-no to not have the clearance. I forsee problems with this as AR guys "make things work" with some barrel nuts not understanding how it can affect the free float and the pressure on barrel from a bipod if the nut dosen't have any clearance.

I also forsee many very cheap 12" Sampson tubes on ebay and gunbroker! Nothing wrong with them but I do not like it for the Ruger at all. The spacers that are sandwiched between the tube and the military AR barrel nut just have never appealed to me for a precision setup. Just seems cheapo. Some articles even market this feature as "splined thermal bushings", lol.

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billt 08-10-2015 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 16733814)
6.5 Creedmoor matches the external ballistics of 300 win mag with far less recoil, muzzle blast, powder and throat erosion.

What is the heaviest bullet the 6.5 Creedmoor can shoot?

nestle19 08-10-2015 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by md2bpo (Post 16749584)
Can anyone recommend a decent mount that won't break the bank for this rifle? It's for a 35mm vortex with 50mm glass

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/173...50-rings-matte

Here are some extra high you can purchase from Badger. I think this will be perfect.

nestle19 08-10-2015 2:56 PM

Good shooting!

Jaytil 08-10-2015 3:03 PM

Thanks! Not sure why the first (3 shot) pic isn't showing up. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08...10f64eb99d.jpg


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ar15barrels 08-10-2015 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16749958)
What is the heaviest bullet the 6.5 Creedmoor can shoot?

It can shoot any 6.5mm bullet.
I don't know what the heaviest 6.5mm bullet made is.

billt 08-10-2015 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 16750137)
It can shoot any 6.5mm bullet.
I don't know what the heaviest 6.5mm bullet made is.

I'm sure it's nowhere near 220 grains. My point being the 6.5 does not have the bullet weight versatility the .300 Win. Mag. does.

dfletcher 08-10-2015 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16749958)
What is the heaviest bullet the 6.5 Creedmoor can shoot?

Probably 160 grain.

ar15barrels 08-10-2015 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750201)
I'm sure it's nowhere near 220 grains. My point being the 6.5 does not have the bullet weight versatility the .300 Win. Mag. does.

Indeed.
You are correct that the 6.5 does not have near the recoil that the 300 mag does.
It's better to just make the point all at once.

billt 08-10-2015 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 16750512)
It's better to just make the point all at once.

It's only a "point" if the recoil of the .300 Win. Mag. bothers you. I've been shooting it for over 43 years, and currently have 3 of them. If I want lesser gun, I'll shoot one.

ar15barrels 08-10-2015 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750539)
It's only a "point" if the recoil of the .300 Win. Mag. bothers you.

Lower recoiling guns don't jump off target.
That makes it much easier to spot where the bullet went.

triggs75 08-10-2015 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kestryll (Post 16749074)
Here's a thought; don't like it, don't buy it, click 'Back' and keep your sarcasm to yourself.

It ends better than pissing on other people's interests.

This CK32. For someone who has been shooting for 5 years and has over 14k posts, who tends to be a so called "budget buyer" himself should slow down on posting these comments.

I pre ordered one and am looking forward to messing with it. I get my reloading dies in a couple of days so will start making some 6.5 ammo while I am waiting for the shop to let me know my "budget" rifle is in.

bridgeport 08-10-2015 5:14 PM

Within its range, 6.5 absolutely does have the versatility. Look at the sierra rifle bullet chart, and you will see bullets starting at 85 gr, and running up to 142 gr. I prefer shooting the lightest bullets at the highest velocities from which gilt edge accuracy can be achieved.

billt 08-10-2015 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ar15barrels (Post 16750551)
Lower recoiling guns don't jump off target.
That makes it much easier to spot where the bullet went.

In 43 years of shooting the .300 Win. Mag. I've never "lost" where a bullet went. :rolleyes:

ar15barrels 08-10-2015 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750755)
In 43 years of shooting the .300 Win. Mag. I've never "lost" where a bullet went. :rolleyes:

LOL.
Shooting a 300 win mag, you don't see very many of them land either.

JMP 08-10-2015 6:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750201)
I'm sure it's nowhere near 220 grains. My point being the 6.5 does not have the bullet weight versatility the .300 Win. Mag. does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750539)
It's only a "point" if the recoil of the .300 Win. Mag. bothers you. I've been shooting it for over 43 years, and currently have 3 of them. If I want lesser gun, I'll shoot one.

Billt, if you are talking about all out distance, the 300WM will smoke a 6.5 Creedmoor. That's because it has the capacity to push quite efficient projectiles at fast speeds. When folks say that they are similar, they just mean the range in sort of the 0-1,000 territory. The 6.5 CD does well as it's a very balanced weight for lead based projectiles due to the density. You get efficient for the weight bullets and that is what gives you an advantage in 6.5mm. The 6.5 CD is a different animal from a 300WM in that it's generally going to be easier to shoot inside of 1,000 yards as you can make follow-up shots much faster and it is easier to tune for accuracy. As the cartridge gets larger, it becomes more difficult to tune for accuracy, which will happen solely due the additional entropy that comes with a larger charge. The 6.5CD is no good for trying to reach out to maximum distances as it lacks the capacity, but it's a great shooter for tactical precision type shooting for 0-1km.

If you are going for shear distance, I am also not a fan of the 300WM as the 338 Lapua is a much easier route for distance and the cost differences are minimal. With the 338, you suddenly get a major boost in the bullets that you can shoot as the monolithic bullets really take over (selection of 30 cal bullets are rather sparse). If you like the larger stuff, personally, I'd go 338 Lapua for your middle sized cartridge, then down to 300 WSM for a smaller accuracy cartridge. On a 300WM action, you should be able to do both as the Lapua just needs a 0.59" boltface.

Personally, I am not a fan of the 300WM. While it is versatile like you say, there's not a whole lot of situations where the 300WM is the best choice in cartridges.

They RPR design doesn't really lend to the accommodation of large magnum rounds as it is fit with the AR-15 barrel nut, thus, I'd not anticipate an RPR with a magnum or larger action anytime soon, but I am sure something may come out in the future for this given the popularity that the RPR seems to have.

compute42 08-10-2015 6:58 PM

Shopping around for 6.5 ammo, seems like this rifle has got people buying ammo! I did find one seller on-line who had some 140gr amax… but supply looks thin… Grabbed 5 boxes.

Turners told me 3mo wait for the 6.5 CM possibly earlier.

Ruby 08-10-2015 7:31 PM

Ruger Precision Rifle
 
Back to some discussion on the rifle.
I've got a 30mm tube, 50mm objective scope that's ready to mount when the rifle shows up. I had previously used some Leupold PRW mid height rings on a Sadlak mount/M1A. I think I may need some more height for this setup, and want a beefier look.

Who has one mounted up and can recommend something? Maybe some pics?

Rwnielsen 08-10-2015 7:37 PM

I'm waiting on the same info for a Burris xtr. I've read conflicting info and want to be sure

Flipit 08-10-2015 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by compute42 (Post 16751292)
Shopping around for 6.5 ammo, seems like this rifle has got people buying ammo! I did find one seller on-line who had some 140gr amax… but supply looks thin… Grabbed 5 boxes.

Turners told me 3mo wait for the 6.5 CM possibly earlier.

Just got some of these...

http://store.thirdgenerationshooting...m/4,11711.html

compute42 08-10-2015 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flipit (Post 16751550)

Ha, yeah that was where I ordered from… 450 still available when I ordered earlier today ;-)

wopshooter 08-10-2015 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750755)
In 43 years of shooting the .300 Win. Mag. I've never "lost" where a bullet went. :rolleyes:

best quote ever!!!! :D

md2bpo 08-10-2015 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nestle19 (Post 16749995)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/173...50-rings-matte

Here are some extra high you can purchase from Badger. I think this will be perfect.

Thanks for the direction all. Since they only have medium and extra high. Safe to say extra high is my only option?

Newsshooter 08-10-2015 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billt (Post 16750539)
It's only a "point" if the recoil of the .300 Win. Mag. bothers you. I've been shooting it for over 43 years, and currently have 3 of them. If I want lesser gun, I'll shoot one.

Ever shoot 80-100 rounds a day with that 300 WM?

ar15barrels 08-10-2015 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by md2bpo (Post 16751903)
Thanks for the direction all. Since they only have medium and extra high. Safe to say extra high is my only option?

You will need the extra highs.

billt 08-11-2015 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Newsshooter (Post 16751980)
Ever shoot 80-100 rounds a day with that 300 WM?

Yes, many times.

5.56Geo 08-11-2015 5:26 AM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16753030)
Yes, many times.

With all due respect, I fail to see your point...

You have been shooting the 300WM for 35 years, you own 3 of them and you can shoot 80 - 100 rounds of 300WM a day. What does this have to do with the 6.5Creedmoor Ruger RPR?

Are you trying to convince people that are excited about and entry level precision rifle to ditch the Ruger for a 300WM?

There are many reasons why just about EVERY gun forum you visit has a running thread about the Ruger RPR that has 15+/- pages of replies. In just a couple weeks.

Here is one thing that the 300WM can't do that the 6.5Creedmoor can. A person that re-loads can load 170+/- rounds of 6.5Creedmoor out of one pound of powder, you can only get 100+/- rounds of 300WM out of a pound of powder. To some that have choosen the Ruger RPR 65.C that makes a difference. That is just one reason to go 6.5Creedmoor. I know, I know that there are many reasons to choose the 300WM.

People that have their minds set on a car will not buy a truck.

My thoughts.....

billt 08-11-2015 7:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 5.56Geo (Post 16753153)
Are you trying to convince people that are excited about and entry level precision rifle to ditch the Ruger for a 300WM?

I'm not trying to "convince" anyone of anything. If you want a 6.5 then buy one. You're the one talking and carrying on about how the 6.5 can do this and that, use less powder, etc., not me. All I said is the .300 Win. Mag. has a far larger choice of bullet weights. From 110 gr. to over 220 grains. And it shoots most all of them with good performance and accuracy. That in itself makes it a far less specialized, and more useful cartridge.

I have zero problem with recoil during long shooting sessions with my .300's. My stocks all fit properly, and I utilize good shooting posture from benches and stools that are the correct height.

For me, as well as several others, the .300 Winchester Magnum is the better choice of caliber over the 6.5. You may disagree, as you are entitled. I never said or suggested otherwise. And yes, I think Ruger made a mistake in not offering this rifle in either .300, and or .338 Lapua. They would sell a lot more rifles if they did. My guess is they most likely will.

TMB 1 08-11-2015 7:28 AM

I bet they'd sell a lot if they shrink it a little and make it in 223, 6x45 and 300blk:shrug:

5.56Geo 08-11-2015 7:32 AM

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Originally Posted by billt (Post 16753481)
I'm not trying to "convince" anyone of anything. If you want a 6.5 then buy one. You're the one talking and carrying on about how the 6.5 can do this and that, use less powder, etc., not me. All I said is the .300 Win. Mag. has a far larger choice of bullet weights. From 110 gr. to over 220 grains. And it shoots most all of them with good performance and accuracy. That in itself makes it a far less specialized, and more useful cartridge.

I have zero problem with recoil during long shooting sessions with my .300's. My stocks all fit properly, and I utilize good shooting posture from benches and stools that are the correct height.

For me, as well as several others, the .300 Winchester Magnum is the better choice of caliber over the 6.5. You may disagree, as you are entitled. I never said or suggested otherwise. And yes, I think Ruger made a mistake in not offering this rifle in either .300, and or .338 Lapua. They would sell a lot more rifles if they did. My guess is they most likely will.

Cool, I respect your reply and see your take!;)

I have been shooting for 30+ years and I have noticed that when you find a bullet weight that brand X rifle likes you usually stick to the bullet weight. The fact that the 300WM has bullet weights from 110grain to 220grain has very little appeal to me.

You may be able to shoot a 100 rounds of 300WM in one shooting session but their are many that can't nor want to.

I think that Ruger knows that they have a winner and will look in to make the RPR in many more calibers. I like you would like to see this rifle in perhaps .223, 300WM, .204Ruger and 7mm. The cost of manufacturing would be very close to that of the .243, .308 and 6.5C that they offer now.

billt 08-11-2015 8:35 AM

Guns are no different than trucks. People have their preferences to calibers and brands. The difference is that guns are cheap enough so that one individual can own many different brands and types. Over the years I've bought, and currently own so many, being a "fan boy" would be impossible.

That, and the fact I don't invest my ego in my guns, like so many do. I own many Glock's. Others prefer XD's, M&P's, or something else. I've never understood why so many arguments ensue over one trying to desperately to convince the other one way or the other. Life is too short. Buy what you like, and shoot what you prefer. We criticize people who live in cookie cutter houses, but then turn around and bash people who don't own the same guns we do. It's called choices. And thank God we have the means and ability to make them. And not have others make them for us.

JMP 08-11-2015 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 5.56Geo (Post 16753547)
I think that Ruger knows that they have a winner and will look in to make the RPR in many more calibers. I like you would like to see this rifle in perhaps .223, 300WM, .204Ruger and 7mm. The cost of manufacturing would be very close to that of the .243, .308 and 6.5C that they offer now.

The RPR is already in all the cartridges with a .308 boltface. You just need to change the barrel. The three cartridges offered by the factory are just three common chamberings they picked. The only ones that will likely need some modification are the short BR type cartridges where you'll just need to modify the magazine a bit for feeding. The 243/6.5CD/308Win is a good pick for basic cartridges. Most folks that want something different are probably going to be fussy enough that they want their own barrel. Thus, a factory offered barrel may be less efficient. There will be a flood of DIY pre-fit barrels that come aftermarket. (That was a selling point for using the AR-15 nut as everyone can easily just put a new barrel on themselves, or so I thought.)

If anything, they will probably come out with a .223 bolt face to make the .223 type cartridges work. The action is too small to go with a magnum or bigger cartridge, which is why I doubt we'll see a 300WM or 338 Lapua on this platform as it would need to have the action scaled up. Also, most people do not like the AR type pistol grip with large cases. What is popular right now is to get a big fat pistol grip so it looks like a pistol grip, but it is ergonomically similar to a thumbhole or conventional stock.

TMB 1 08-11-2015 11:09 AM

If they come out with a 223 version. I wonder if they'll make it work with AR, Mini 14, etc... magazines?

JMP 08-11-2015 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TMB 1 (Post 16754588)
If they come out with a 223 version. I wonder if they'll make it work with AR, Mini 14, etc... magazines?

I doubt it as that would require a more substantive change. There are already magazines that fit the existing action. Namely, the plastic AICS 223 magazine, which has been discontinued would work. I believe that magpul is stepping up to fill this slot. That type of magazine is what folks want for bolt action rifles so that they can load long with heavier bullets. The typical 223 mags for most semis are too short and are really meant for 5.56 NATO rounds. It's much better for having the longer magazine for shooting heavy bullets are cartridges like the 6x45. If you were to just obtain a compatible bolt, you'd be good to go with the 223 family and use nice 2.5" magazines.

The reason the rifle takes multiple mags is that it has a 3-lug design with a lug that goes down the raceway at 6 o'clock so that the bolt has a wide catch area for feeding. It's harder to envision that system working with things like AR-15 mags. That's not to say that it wouldn't.

TMB 1 08-11-2015 1:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JMP (Post 16754979)
I doubt it as that would require a more substantive change. There are already magazines that fit the existing action. Namely, the plastic AICS 223 magazine, which has been discontinued would work. I believe that magpul is stepping up to fill this slot. That type of magazine is what folks want for bolt action rifles so that they can load long with heavier bullets. The typical 223 mags for most semis are too short and are really meant for 5.56 NATO rounds. It's much better for having the longer magazine for shooting heavy bullets are cartridges like the 6x45. If you were to just obtain a compatible bolt, you'd be good to go with the 223 family and use nice 2.5" magazines.

The reason the rifle takes multiple mags is that it has a 3-lug design with a lug that goes down the raceway at 6 o'clock so that the bolt has a wide catch area for feeding. It's harder to envision that system working with things like AR-15 mags. That's not to say that it wouldn't.

People don't shoot heavy bullets in their ARs/Mini-14s?

JMP 08-11-2015 1:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TMB 1 (Post 16755123)
People don't shoot heavy bullets in their ARs/Mini-14s?

Some people do, but the ability to load longer is a big aid. Accurate shooters do not like unneeded limitations (like magazine length) to impinge on how the cartridge should be loaded.


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