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ACfixer 08-09-2019 6:51 PM

I want to buy a boomer - Weatherby?
 
I own a couple hunting rifles, namely Rem 700's in .308 and .30-06 and I know they will serve for anything in the lower 48... but I want to buy a boom stick, I generally buy keepsake quality and will buy at the mid/high end of things. Let's say 1,200-2,200 budget before adding glass.

I love the Weatherby Mark V Deluxe, who that was born 50+ years ago doesn't? I mean that beautiful walnut and the classic 300 WBY was the yardstick when I was a kid. But.... I know about WBY ammo and let's face it compared to a 300 Win Mag is doesn't bring that much more to the table and virtually every ammo seller handles the latter for $25 a box instead of $60.

So what do you say? If I'm buying anything more exotic than ammo you can find at Walmart I'm going with the Weatherby, so no .30 Nosler or anything equally funky. Let's go 300 WIN or 300 WBY and keep it at that. MAYBE a 338 WIN for full brutality. Yeah, I know Ultra Mag and WSM etc... but they don't bring anything the other two don't IMO.

I'm open to suggestions on the rifle, so in that budget for a keeper Elk + rifle what would you buy? So, let's discuss a 30 cal boomer.

And before you go there, I don't need a reason. Because this is the USA and I want it, that's my reason. :patriot:

Sir Toast 08-09-2019 7:15 PM

I went with the Desert Tech. It has 300 Win Mag which is crazy accurate. I think I'm going to start competing with it. The 6.5 CM is accurate too and is what I use to compete. I play with the .338 LM too. I don't know why, but I got a .308 for it too.

Go with the Desert Tech and never look back. You buy one nice scope and that's all you need for all those calibers!

Varg Vikernes 08-09-2019 7:22 PM

I would go a custom.

ACfixer 08-09-2019 7:23 PM

Nooooo no no Mr. Toast! Think along the lines of a traditional hunting format.

I have my tac guns, but this one is for shootin' (4 legged) critters and such.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes (Post 23293859)
I would go a custom.

Elaborate, keeping in mind elk and moose and the like. Not trying to ring the bell at 1,000 yards here, more like a beautiful hunting rifle in a beautiful display case (when I get to Tennessee) for occasional use in the field.

Like this guys:

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...by_640.jpg&f=1

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...0C6F84.jpg&f=1

hermosabeach 08-09-2019 7:55 PM

Screw the budget

Dakota Arms - 338 win mag

lots of used big bores sell for cheap... most hunters have only fired 30-40 rounds through them as well

hermosabeach 08-09-2019 7:58 PM

458 win mag
with optics
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/815522920

https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/815522...x268343779.jpg

MANUFACTURER: Browning
MODEL:FN
CALIBER: 458 Win.Mag.
FINISH: Blued/Wood
BARREL LENGTH:24”
ACTION: Bolt Action
CAPACITY: 3
Description:You are bidding on a USED Browning FN Bolt Action Rifle in .458 Win. Mag. 24” barrel, checkered wood stock. Comes with sling and a Bausch & Lomb 2.5 - 8 scope. Also comes with a FREE box of ammunition. Bluing is in good condition, has no rust or pitting. Wood stock also is in good condition, minor scratches only. Any questions feel free to ask.

hermosabeach 08-09-2019 8:00 PM

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/824728225

This auction is for a new CZ 550 American Safari Rifle. This rifle is chambered in .458 Lott and features a 25 inch hammer forged barrel and composite stock. It comes complete with the factory box and paperwork.

.458 Lott is not a great long range cartridge, but that's not what it's designed for. The cartridge is intended for use on thick-skinned dangerous game at close range and it does very well indeed in that role. Hornady's Dangerous Game Solid (DGS) load for the .458 Lott propels a 500gr bullet at 2,300fps for a bone crushing 5,800 foot pounds of energy, compared to 4,200 foot pounds of energy produced by Hornady's 300gr DGS load at 2,530fps in the .375 H&H. Especially when the primary use of the rifle is for emergencies, this is a significant difference in power and performance.

All of this power comes with at a price. The .458 Lott has nearly twice the amount of recoil of the .375 H&H. For this reason, the cartridge may be more than many hunters can handle and still consistently shoot accurately.

foxtrotuniformlima 08-09-2019 8:03 PM

Weatherby Mark 7 in 300 WBY MAG but not walnut.

ACfixer 08-09-2019 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxtrotuniformlima (Post 23293999)
Weatherby Mark 7 in 300 WBY MAG but not walnut.

But, but... Walnut looks soooooo nice!

Hermosa! Focus man! Okay the Dakota maybe, but let's skip the .458 and the .670 Nitro etc. Think elk, not leviathan.

Sir Toast 08-09-2019 8:09 PM

If you're going Weatherby, why not a crazy Weatherby cartridge? Like a 30-378 Weatherby Magnum? Ballistics are crazy.

Sir Toast 08-09-2019 8:12 PM

From Wiki-Pedia

The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum is one of the most accurate rifle cartridges. The cartridge held the world record for accuracy at 1,000 yards (910 m) for over thirty years. Given factory ammunition, Weatherby guarantees 1.5 MOA accuracy from their Weatherby Mark V action rifles and sub-MOA (.99 MOA or better) accuracy from their Range Certified line of rifles and Vanguard rifle lines. Careful handloading – checking for bullet jacket concentricity, weighing of brass and bullets, uniformity of case length and overall cartridge length, choice of components, seating of bullet – can all increase the accuracy of the cartridge.

The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum is a long range cartridge. It is the most powerful - in terms of energy - .30 caliber production cartridge available.[7] It is also the flattest-shooting .30 caliber factory ammunition available. Dependent on the ammunition chosen the cartridge has a maximum point blank range of over 400 yd (370 m). The cartridge retains enough energy for deer-sized game at distances over 1,000 yd (910 m), and has enough retained energy for elk and moose-sized game at a distance of over 700 yd (640 m).[4]

ACfixer 08-09-2019 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Toast (Post 23294013)
If you're going Weatherby, why not a crazy Weatherby cartridge? Like a 30-378 Weatherby Magnum? Ballistics are crazy.

I guess for the sake of tradition? And man have you ever shot the .30-378? I have not... and I'm not a recoil wimp but anything pushing 4500+ ft. lb is going to make sighting that puppy in a long day! :D

Sir Toast 08-09-2019 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACfixer (Post 23294037)
I guess for the sake of tradition? And man have you ever shot the .30-378? I have not... and I'm not a recoil wimp but anything pushing 4500+ ft. lb is going to make sighting that puppy in a long day! :D

I get the whole recoil thing. I do. But if you're going to only take a few shots per year at a gangster Mulie or Pigzilla, then you need to put a mouthpiece and butt plug in and take the pain and harvest that giant Elk the size of two horses from 3,000 yards. You'll just have to understand that the bullet will bounce off a couple mountain tops and continue into outer space and beyond the Earth's orbit.

You can practice by getting your scrotum caught in a can opener. You know, like the dude got his scrotum caught in his zipper in Everyone Loves Mary

hambam105 08-09-2019 9:00 PM

Feast your 1970s eyes on Tikka & Sako.

If you lower your standards to a .300 Winchester you might actually get to shoot the darn thing a few times.

baih777 08-09-2019 9:06 PM

https://www.riflegear.com/p-11064-ru...6-300-prc.aspx

turners also has it on sale right now.

ACfixer 08-09-2019 9:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hambam105 (Post 23294148)
Feast your 1970s eyes on Tikka & Sako.

If you lower your standards to a .300 Winchester you might actually get to shoot the darn thing a few times.

C'mon now, .300 WIN is on my list!

ACfixer 08-09-2019 9:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baih777 (Post 23294167)

That's what you would choose to display in your case and shoot elk with? A 16 pound chassis rifle in a wildcat cartridge? :rolleyes:

JackEllis 08-09-2019 10:11 PM

This thread is a LOT more entertaining than the thread on the .224.

About the only time recoil isn't an issue is when there's a critter in the crosshairs because all you can think about is the critter. When you have put a few rounds down the tube to prepare for your hunt, that's when recoil matters.

DrJeds44 08-09-2019 10:13 PM

I hunt with a .300 WBY. I would not call it a boomer. If you want a monster .30 cal. rig that starts at .300 RUM and goes up from there. If you are serious go with a 30-378 WBY mag the ballistics of that round are amazing.

Hairball 08-09-2019 10:26 PM

There are a lot of 375 H&H rifles being used for elk these days. Load it up or down and hunt just about anything.

MongooseV8 08-09-2019 10:28 PM

Id find something in 7MM STW. I really enjoy mine.

sigstroker 08-09-2019 10:29 PM

Winchester Model 70 Super Grade is a nice looking piece. Cabela's and Bass Pro carry them. It seems like every season they push a different type. A couple years ago it was birdseye maple, and they looked magnificent. This season is Grade IV/V walnut. Cartridges are boring, the best one is probably .300 Win Mag. A gunsmith could probably open it up to .300 PRC. Under $1100 is some places, $50 rebate (whoopee) until the end of September.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/conten...b.835.835.jpeg

There's a link for a hi-res pic on the product page:
http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...per-grade.html

edit: Pictures don't convey the dazzling metal work on these things. I have less than zero interest in hunting but I almost bought one just to look at.

Divernhunter 08-09-2019 10:34 PM

Buy what you like and what FITS you. The 300win mag or Weatherby will work or the 338win mag. I like to shoot my 338win mag more than my 300win mag and they are the same rifle brand/model and set up the same.
It is your money so get what you like

XVIga_Rob 08-09-2019 10:38 PM

[QUOTE=ACfixer;23293863]Nooooo no no Mr. Toast! Think along the lines of a traditional hunting format.

I have my tac guns, but this one is for shootin' (4 legged) critters and such.



Elaborate, keeping in mind elk and moose and the like. Not trying to ring the bell at 1,000 yards here, more like a beautiful hunting rifle in a beautiful display case (when I get to Tennessee) for occasional use in the field.

Like this guys:

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...by_640.jpg&f=1


I see you! That rifle is a beautiful beast! I mean itís damn sexy!
Itís been a few years now, but I shot my BILís rifle. Just like it, except the wood is even nicer. I was the 1st person he ever let shoot it. I shot a few ground hogs that day, using the top of the passenger door of my sisterís Camero, with a half open window, as my rest. The ground hogs never had a chance, and the thunder rolled through those PA farm hills that afternoon! I never felt any recoil, and it never even rattled the half open window! That gun is so smooth!!

LynnJr 08-10-2019 11:24 AM

My vote 300 Weatherby using a 180-200 grain bullet.

baih777 08-10-2019 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACfixer (Post 23294198)
That's what you would choose to display in your case and shoot elk with? A 16 pound chassis rifle in a wildcat cartridge? :rolleyes:

Lol. Wasn't thinking about hunting.

dkonrai 08-10-2019 12:03 PM

So I got the itch as well. Ended up with a BAR in 300wm.
She's a beast. Will shoot a Mickey mouse at 100 if I do my part. I want to see how she does further than 100.
I only shoot 4 or 5 rounds. The 220 grains can be a bit of a cannon.

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RNE228 08-10-2019 2:32 PM

If you want a "Boomer" look at one of the Sharp replicas in 45-120 or one of the big 50 cal cartridges like a 50-140.

Would easily work on anything in North America too.

ACfixer 08-10-2019 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkonrai (Post 23295912)
So I got the itch as well. Ended up with a BAR in 300wm.
She's a beast. Will shoot a Mickey mouse at 100 if I do my part. I want to see how she does further than 100.
I only shoot 4 or 5 rounds. The 220 grains can be a bit of a cannon.

Sent from my moto g(7) using Tapatalk

Browning makes some really nice rifles and that's why I included the x-bolt Hell's Canyon in the mix. I'd look at the BAR but I'm just a bolt purist but I have to admit that thing chambered in 300 WM must be a hoot!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RNE228 (Post 23296323)
If you want a "Boomer" look at one of the Sharp replicas in 45-120 or one of the big 50 cal cartridges like a 50-140.

Would easily work on anything in North America too.

That stuff is fun I agree, but I do have a couple hunts on my bucket list that would require something a little more along the lines of what I have listed. The Sharps are going to be pretty limited in their range if your name isn't Quigley. ;)

tsmithson 08-10-2019 2:49 PM

My boomer is the 338-378 Weatherby Arroyo MK V. With the matching baby brother in 300 Win.

The 338-378 is pushing the 338 round 100 ft. Per second faster then the 338 LM. It is also delivering 5,000 ft pounds of energy on the 338 round at the muzzle.

I used to have the 30-378 Weatherby but foolishly sold it 15 years ago. It was a tack driver making clovers at 100yds.

The 300 Win is going Elk hunting in October because I havenít put a scope on the 338-378 yet.

Good luck. A new rifle makes for a fun time in life. Enjoy

ACfixer 08-10-2019 3:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsmithson (Post 23296360)
My boomer is the 338-378 Weatherby Arroyo MK V. With the matching baby brother in 300 Win.

The 338-378 is pushing the 338 round 100 ft. Per second faster then the 338 LM. It is also delivering 5,000 ft pounds of energy on the 338 round at the muzzle.

I used to have the 30-378 Weatherby but foolishly sold it 15 years ago. It was a tack driver making clovers at 100yds.

The 300 Win is going Elk hunting in October because I haven’t put a scope on the 338-378 yet.

Good luck. A new rifle makes for a fun time in life. Enjoy

Awesome post! Man that thing is going to be a cannon!

When I mentioned a Weatherby Mark V synth I had this one in mind or something like it. Just a work of art, as far as production stuff Weatherby has always been at the top of the heap in my mind.

https://p1.gunbroker.com/pics/811440...x076956006.jpg

Got a pic of the arroyo? 28" barrel on that one?

FishnHunt 08-10-2019 3:31 PM

I’m selling a sauer 100 in 9.3x62.
It’s a real thumper

splithoof 08-10-2019 3:59 PM

CZ-550, .375 H&H.
I shipped mine to their custom rifle shop, had the barrel shortened to 20", barrel band sling stud fitted, and glass bedded.
It is accurate, smooth, handy, and reliable.
I'll be using it soon for Cape Buffalo, with solids.

Spyder 08-10-2019 4:02 PM

I'd look again at 300 RUM. Ammo price is very reasonable compared to Weatherby, and you'll get significantly more distance out of it than WM.

I recently bought one and am having a blast with it.

Garandimal 08-10-2019 4:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACfixer (Post 23293749)
I own a couple hunting rifles, namely Rem 700's in .308 and .30-06 and I know they will serve for anything in the lower 48... but I want to buy a boom stick, I generally buy keepsake quality and will buy at the mid/high end of things. Let's say 1,200-2,200 budget before adding glass.

I love the Weatherby Mark V Deluxe, who that was born 50+ years ago doesn't? I mean that beautiful walnut and the classic 300 WBY was the yardstick when I was a kid. But.... I know about WBY ammo and let's face it compared to a 300 Win Mag is doesn't bring that much more to the table and virtually every ammo seller handles the latter for $25 a box instead of $60.

So what do you say? If I'm buying anything more exotic than ammo you can find at Walmart I'm going with the Weatherby, so no .30 Nosler or anything equally funky. Let's go 300 WIN or 300 WBY and keep it at that. MAYBE a 338 WIN for full brutality. Yeah, I know Ultra Mag and WSM etc... but they don't bring anything the other two don't IMO.

I'm open to suggestions on the rifle, so in that budget for a keeper Elk + rifle what would you buy? So, let's discuss a 30 cal boomer.

And before you go there, I don't need a reason. Because this is the USA and I want it, that's my reason. :patriot:

Well...

For a Hunting Rifle? and an Elk Rifle at that...?

All I can say is, after great research and deliberation... I decided to leave all my beautiful wood and blued steel in the freezer, and got on the "A" train to the 21st century.

...kind of.


Ended up with a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS... in good ole 270 WCF.

Then topped it w/ a Leupold VX-3i 2.5-8x36mm in Tally LtWt Scope Mounts.


What a Machine.

(And it's also chambered in .338 WinMag.)

:D




GR

ACfixer 08-10-2019 5:39 PM

^^^ Yeah there's definitely something to be said for that. Because my .30-06 is a beautiful CDL stainless fluted... my synth .308 VTR gets all the action. ;)

Certainly one of the reasons I put the Mark V Terramark and the Browning HC Speed on the list. Let's face it the walnut & blue pieces of art can end up being just that. My BIL just takes his Super Grade out and hunts with it, doesn't care about the battle scars any more than Ted Nugent cares about scratching that old Gibson... but I totally understand the all weather all terrain approach.

Thanks for the post, and great food for thought.

RNE228 08-10-2019 7:31 PM

Mentioned in another thread - have family that hunts Wyoming every year for decades now. They have taken a lot of Elk. They use 375's.

For a number of years a 375H&H in Remington 700 Stainless in synthetic stock with a ported barrel.

Later they moved to TC Contender with 375 JDJ barrel.

Have had opportunity to shoot both. Both are extremely accurate. The JDJ will shoot MOA at 200 yards; pretty good for a large pistol. Was able to hit prairie dogs at 250 yards from seated position.

375H&H is still a great cartridge. And the JDJ cartridges for the TC contender are really nice.


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