La sues polymer 80
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I find it hard to believe that 40% of guns seized in LA are 80%. Most folks don't even know 80 percents exist. Let me guess... they are hand loading their own ammo to get around the thumb print and background check in LA too?
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This will just help them sell more.
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How about they take fighting crime seriously. Start hard raiding these gangs and instill harsher punishments. Make prisons suck again. Not p80s fault criminals break the law.
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It makes sense that the more popular %80 frames get, the more they would get stolen and used in crimes.
I've looked at the ATF trace data and it shows a decrease in guns with no serial numbers since 2006. |
There is no use for gun registration, prosecute the person or persons that commited the crime, whoever owns or "made" the gun means nothing.
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This seems like a loser for LA. Not sure how polymer 80 has violated a single law. This is a political stunt.
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So glad that I only ever bought 75% receivers.
Not that it would matter, because I handed them out on Halloween to the best-dressed kids. Everyone else only got Candy Corn. |
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All bought with bogus accounts from our taxpayer paid EDD cards.
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i have been watching nixle reports and yea many of the "glocks" they round up are the poly80 someone there must be someone out there that makes them
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Why pay $600 for an %80 which you need skill to build when stolen guns are $100 from drug dealers?
In a small city there are 6-7 guns stolen per year and traded for heroin. |
Im with M1. If the price point supports it, bad guy will buy the kits, make/assemble, and sell. Its capitalism.
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This is one of those issues where I hate to admit it, but the antis do sort of have a point, the easy availability of a complete gun in a box "some assembly required" has become a bit of a problem. Previously for a felon to get a gun they'd either have to know where to steal one from themselves, or rely on somebody else to commit 1 or more felonies on their behalf, now you just order that thing off the internet. Not every prohibited person is a dumb gangbanger, plenty of people smart enough to operate a drill on the prohibited list. Before everybody dogpiles on me, I'm not saying there should be illegal, but denying that the problem exists isn't going to get us anywhere but a ban. The sooner we recognize and admit there's a problem, the better we can work to find a solution besides a ban. |
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It’s all the criminals who are using them. |
Hmm, I'm going to guess that 100% of the crimes in LA were committed by residents of LA, so shouldn't the city be sued?
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Not to worry, it was not the criminals fault. They all should be let go back into society.
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Didn't they just REDUCE the penalty for gun crimes recently?! Clown world.
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Last month most of the handguns confiscated by our PD and county LEAs were 80% so called ghost guns, Glock and AR15 type. They busted a couple of suspects selling drugs and guns through some social media site. It’s like a 1 stop shop for criminals with money. Before the busts we can hear sporadic gunfire without any known victims or damages to houses or buildings. It’s probably the seller of these guns testing it out with the buyers,
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Plusone on the first hand experience with friends who are LEO and the frequency of encountering polymer 80 guns on the beat
The kicker is they don’t get to stack all those juicy other charges possession of a stolen firearm, destroying the serial number blah blah blah which lead to much harsher sentences. The criminals aren’t stupid even a crappy gun on the streets cost 500 bucks so $600 for a gun with all of the above vantages over a stolen gun is a no brainer Even my LEO friend who to is highly in support of the second amendmenta says he hates to admit it but this one is a loophole that needs to get closed Dictated but not read, voice typing plus bad eyes equals typos |
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So, another infringement is demanded in order to stack more charges on criminals, even though we prosecute them less and less? I think, many have forgotten that the goal is to reduce crime, which involves going after criminals, not "reducing availability of guns to criminals". Those are not the same things. Criminals had no issues finding guns before Polymer80 was even around. They commit crimes because they're criminals, not because Polymer80 came into existence. |
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If you simply subscribed to your local nixle, you would notice an alarming trend in ghost guns turning up in all manner of crimes committed. |
I'd like to see what data the LAPD reported to the FBI.
Seriously- feinstein sued the folks selling magazine parts to CA... They could not afford to defend the suit... Bloomberg and other know they can simply bankrupt anyone with excessive legal attacks.... How can a small shop defend lawsuits in 10 cities? LA files suit- hire a local firm to defend- $50K out of pocket 2 weeks later- NY sues them - hire local firm to defend - another $50K 1 month later - a city in Oregon files suit - 1 month later- detroit files suit at a certain point- you are done |
Ok I actually worked in LE. Banning 80% guns would do absolutely nothing. NOTHING. criminals are very intelligent.
They WILL come up with something new. If you don't believe me YouTube home made guns. And Banning 80s would be a direct violation of our 2A. no compromises no MORE BANNING sh*t.... |
Also forgot to add 3D printing....
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At some point we have to draw the line with libertarianism versus the greater good. I am not for more bull**** laws however I am all for making it more difficult and a harsher penalties to obtain and use a stolen gun and if polymer at 80 is being used as an avenue around this then the loophole might need to get closed Dictated but not read, voice typing plus bad eyes equals typos |
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But, this individual company attack plan will broaden widely when (not if) Biden gets legislation to allow suing manufacturers for firearm deaths. |
seems i should go buy some p80s in cash to store away.
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The line was drawn at the founding of this country. And even if that's not good enough, laws aren't supposed to be passed based on what we FEEL would be a good idea. There has to be solid scientific backing behind them, and there's no such backing for such a law. It has to be proven that such a law would serve a good purpose (it doesn't), would be able to accomplish it (it won't), that the infringement, required to achieve such a purpose is not overly broad (it is), that the same thing cannot be accomplished with less infringement (that's not the case here), and that the benefits outweigh the infringement (they don't). So it would be just another useless infringement. And what you're calling a "loophole" is following the existing law. The whole term 'loophole' is idiotic and created to demonize something the control freaks in charge want to ban. After all, saying 'we want to ban this lawful practice' doesn't sound as good as saying 'we want to close this loophole'. So yes, you ARE for more bull**** laws. Moreover, you're shooting at the wrong target by focusing on the tool rather than the criminal. Especially when the government goes less and less after the criminals and more and more after the tools. With, apparently, your support. Focusing on the tool rarely yields good results when fighting crime. Focusing on the criminals and their surroundings and socioeconomic factors does. Yet the latter is politically incorrect while going after the tools is all the rage. With predictable results. |
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Most criminals don't care that the gun they use is stolen.. If they are caught it's just another charge to be rolled into the others and ultimately plea bargained down, or not charged at all. |
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