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johnireland 02-10-2020 12:01 PM

It all comes down to this...
 
The attack on the Second Amendment is just a symptom of the problems. At some point we have to realize that there are Americans who hate America...hate it with such intensity that they want to destroy it. If you watched the Oscars last night you saw many of those Americans. If you watched the Democratic debates you also see Americans who hate America. At some point we have to realize that these Americans who hate America are our mortal enemies. We mean nothing to them, they will crush us if we get in the way of their assault on our country. They are as great a threat to us as any nation we have gone to war with. We survived those earlier threats because we were willing to go to war...to save America. And now, as we watch these new enemies of America, we must begin to prepare ourselves for going to war again. Citizens of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union never had the courage to rise up and throw out the fascist socialists who took over their countries. And history measures that sad truth in the tens of millions who died as a result. Those of us who love America cannot be afraid to go to war with those who hate America, because our very lives depend on our willingness to stand up and fight for our country.

Rcjackrabbit 02-10-2020 12:33 PM

Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.

big red 02-10-2020 12:57 PM

if you are right then i would stockpile some arms and ammo that is not recorded by the government and figure anything that is recorded will be gone within hours of declaring civil martial law using police under emergency provisions to take whatever the politicians demand without compensation and possibly jailing you to intimidate others. Laws will mean nothing and private property will mean squat. Tons of prefabricated stories will be released as to why civilians were shot and Orwell's "1984" will go from novel to history primer. it is not insanity that is driving America but greed and the main source of this greed is political. a politician in the grave cannot enjoy the wealth they have obtained illegally and what is the point if they are not alive to enjoy the spils of their crimes against humanity? Given the choice between being the richest person in the graveyard versus being poor and alive what would a sane person chose? Just look at the wealth politicians have accumulated since coming to office. they are not in the business of serving the people but being their lord and master. Will america wake up in time? Are we looking at a second civil war? Just asking.

johnireland 02-10-2020 10:54 PM

The top four donators to the Democrats have given hundreds of million more than the top 39 donors to the Republicans. We are losing the war of the check book. And when you run out of bucks, the coin of the game will change to bullets. Add to that the massive voter fraud being engineered in state after state and Trump might well win the Presidency...and we all may well lose the House and the Senate...which means we will lose America and probably forever. If you aren't willing to fight to prevent that, then you don't deserve this country. This war has started with the Second Amendment and the communist movement in America. It will end on a still to be determined battlefield.

freonr22 02-10-2020 10:58 PM

Punctuation.

Breathe.

franklinarmory 02-11-2020 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rcjackrabbit (Post 23875333)
Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.

Amen brother! Time and again, man has tried to outsmart God. It never works. Even non believers benefit when stable Christian societies abound.

Jimi Jah 02-11-2020 7:58 AM

No democracy or republic has ever lasted more than 200 years. We are the first but it looks shaky.

Skip_Dog 02-11-2020 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimi Jah (Post 23877906)
No democracy or republic has ever lasted more than 200 years. We are the first but it looks shaky.

That is why America could use a re-boot. Get back to the basics the founders envisioned and lead the world for another 400+ years...


And I do agree with the statement that America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

big red 02-11-2020 9:14 AM

this country was built on Christian principles and despite all the non-christian mistakes we have made in the past and violations of the constitution and the Bill of Rights, we have endured because we chose to believe and continue to believe in the bible as our source of inspiration and the Constitution and the Bill of rights as our basic laws of the land. The democrats have decided they are wiser than the powers that founded this country and that will be our downfall.

Zorba 02-11-2020 10:05 AM

Thump, thump, thump, thump, thump, thumpity-THUMP!

K001 02-11-2020 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rcjackrabbit (Post 23875333)
Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.

^Agreed!^

K001 02-11-2020 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorba (Post 23878336)
Trump, trump, thump, trump, thump, trumpity-TrUMP!

Fixed it for you :)

johnireland 02-11-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by big red (Post 23878183)
this country was built on Christian principles and despite all the non-christian mistakes we have made in the past and violations of the constitution and the Bill of Rights, we have endured because we chose to believe and continue to believe in the bible as our source of inspiration and the Constitution and the Bill of rights as our basic laws of the land. The democrats have decided they are wiser than the powers that founded this country and that will be our downfall.

It will be our downfall IF we let it happen. If we fight back we can make it their downfall.

Paltik.45acp 02-11-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcjackrabbit (Post 23875333)
Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.


So True, we need the Lord back into our lives and into our classrooms.

Zorba 02-11-2020 1:13 PM

Thump, thump, thump!

Rcjackrabbit 02-11-2020 1:33 PM

A great quote I heard

"There is no political solution to a spiritual problem."

wolfmann 02-11-2020 1:44 PM

Human Nature always stays the same,some people think they can change that.
People forget and History repeats itself.
It will be interesting how things turn out,hopefully without bloodshed but America is one well armed country and I dont see us giving up our rights without a fight.

jwmuldoon 02-11-2020 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcjackrabbit (Post 23875333)
Actually, it is more basic than that.

America has forgotten Jesus Christ.

That is why it is going insane.

The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. The United States was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion.

Californio 02-11-2020 2:56 PM

Since I am a descendant of 5 men that fought in the American Revolution and all were of the school of John Knox, specially the Presbyterian Faith, I can tell you that these men believed in "separation of church and state" but if you read their wills, documents that I have found on Ancestry.com, these men had a profound belief in God. These men learned in their fights with the Monarchy and the divine rights of the King crap to not mix civil government with the kingdom of God. They were Christian Men but preferred to worship God on their own terms and not confuse God and Civil Government. You need to look deeper and understand how the Monarchies of Europe used Religion as a tool of subjugation, that is why "The People" decided to worship God as individuals and not as subjects of their government.


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Originally Posted by jwmuldoon (Post 23879213)
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. The United States was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion.


Zorba 02-11-2020 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwmuldoon (Post 23879213)
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. The United States was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion.

THANK YOU!

Zorba 02-11-2020 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Californio (Post 23879262)
Since I am a descendant of 5 men that fought in the American Revolution and all were of the school of John Knox, specially the Presbyterian Faith, I can tell you that these men believed in "separation of church and state" but if you read their wills, documents that I have found on Ancestry.com, these men had a profound belief in God. These men learned in their fights with the Monarchy and the divine rights of the King crap to not mix civil government with the kingdom of God. They were Christian Men but preferred to worship God on their own terms and not confuse God and Civil Government. You need to look deeper and understand how the Monarchies of Europe used Religion as a tool of subjugation, that is why "The People" decided to worship God as individuals and not as subjects of their government.

THANK YOU!

franklinarmory 02-11-2020 3:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwmuldoon (Post 23879213)
The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. The United States was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion.

Judeo Christian values are what is missing. Plenty of quotes from founding fathers note that it takes a moral society to maintain the republic.

When government grants you rights, government will take them away. The point of the Declaration of Independence was made that rights can be inalienable because they are not given by man.

...but hey, I just build guns for a living....

Zorba 02-11-2020 3:21 PM

So-Called "Morals" don't necessarily come from "Judeo-Christian heritage".

ronlglock 02-11-2020 3:37 PM

It all comes down to this...
 
The country was founded by hard-working men who wanted to be free to live their lives as they saw fit. Serving in government took you away from your real work and your family. It was never meant to be a career.

The USA is being taken over by a permanent political class who know better than we do and who want to tell us how to live our lives which is exactly what we fought a war to escape.

Sousuke 02-11-2020 3:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimi Jah (Post 23877906)
No democracy or republic has ever lasted more than 200 years. We are the first but it looks shaky.

Mostly true. Technically there is San Marino but of course its extremely small in comparison to the US or any nation.

reagan8 02-11-2020 4:02 PM

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Originally Posted by johnireland (Post 23877245)
The top four donators to the Democrats have given hundreds of million more than the top 39 donors to the Republicans. We are losing the war of the check book. And when you run out of bucks, the coin of the game will change to bullets. Add to that the massive voter fraud being engineered in state after state and Trump might well win the Presidency...and we all may well lose the House and the Senate...which means we will lose America and probably forever. If you aren't willing to fight to prevent that, then you don't deserve this country. This war has started with the Second Amendment and the communist movement in America. It will end on a still to be determined battlefield.

Interesting. What's your source for that? It conflicts with what I've seen here: https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

Dave Hill 02-11-2020 4:06 PM

It all comes down to this...The politicians and unionized government employees are a top to bottom crime gang.

warbird 02-11-2020 4:10 PM

History tells us we used judo-christian law and it's guidance to get this country started because we did not have much else around. We made do with what we had to get started in the first two hundred years but government in a public entity and religion is private and we should never mix the two. Muslims, Jews, Christians, and others should keep their religion out of government because this country was never intended to have just one of anything. we defend each others right to practice their religion as long as it does no harm to others. The same golden rule, ten commandments, etc can be found in all the major religions and they all come from the same area of the world. united we stand and divided we fall. Our strength comes from our diversity and in the common belief we have in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. To graduate the eight grade i had to be able to recite both of them without a mistake in front of a panel of teachers and then tell them what it meant. don't do that today do we and it had nothing to do with religion or anything else.

blubullett 02-11-2020 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by franklinarmory (Post 23877478)
Amen brother! Time and again, man has tried to outsmart God. It never works. Even non believers benefit when stable Christian societies abound.

This. I don't go to church and am as unbeliever as it gets but the values the church teaches do nothing but improve the lives of everyone around them.

franklinarmory 02-11-2020 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorba (Post 23879329)
So-Called "Morals" don't necessarily come from "Judeo-Christian heritage".

Sure, that's true, but this nation was founded on it. The Protestant work ethic led to the most prosperous nation on earth. No other country comes close.

Zorba 02-11-2020 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by warbird (Post 23879490)
History tells us we used judo-christian law and it's guidance to get this country started because we did not have much else around. We made do with what we had to get started in the first two hundred years but government in a public entity and religion is private and we should never mix the two. Muslims, Jews, Christians, and others should keep their religion out of government because this country was never intended to have just one of anything. we defend each others right to practice their religion as long as it does no harm to others. The same golden rule, ten commandments, etc can be found in all the major religions and they all come from the same area of the world. united we stand and divided we fall. Our strength comes from our diversity and in the common belief we have in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. To graduate the eight grade i had to be able to recite both of them without a mistake in front of a panel of teachers and then tell them what it meant. don't do that today do we and it had nothing to do with religion or anything else.

Almost completely true - several of the ten commandments are peculiar to Abrahamic monotheism ONLY, and have nothing to do with "universal ethics".

Zorba 02-11-2020 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by franklinarmory (Post 23879547)
Sure, that's true, but this nation was founded on it.

Not really. Most of the principles our nation was "founded on" are actually pagan in origin, and pre-date much of the monotheistic hegemony.

hunterb 02-11-2020 4:31 PM

"A Republic, if you can keep it..."
---Benjamin Franklin

the-right-way 02-11-2020 4:32 PM

dont know what will ever come of this but i have long thougt a second american civil war was coming

franklinarmory 02-11-2020 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorba (Post 23879578)
Not really. Most of the principles our nation was "founded on" are actually pagan in origin, and pre-date much of the monotheistic hegemony.

I think we will have to agree to disagree.

jimmykan 02-11-2020 5:07 PM

[Sarcasm]

The United States of America: where you are free to practice any religion you want, as long as it is a Judeo-Christian variant.

Actually, let's forget the Judeo part. Christianity only.

Actually, screw Catholicism too, just Protestantism, but any denomination is fine.

(But Lutherans are the best.) :winkiss:

[/Sarcasm]

Just kidding of course. Moral decay might just be an inevitable side effect of freedom.

SelfGovernor 02-11-2020 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmykan (Post 23879728)
... Moral decay might just be an inevitable side effect of freedom.

Freedom + Prosperity.:oji:

Happened to Ancient Israel, Happening to US. "...Who is the Lord..." from the Proverbs.

SG

rudigan 02-11-2020 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freonr22 (Post 23877247)
Punctuation.

Breathe.

Exactly, no para/breaks = no read

big red 02-11-2020 7:33 PM

it should be interesting to see who we will be shooting at. One heck of a population control tactic. The last time it cost us more american lives in the civil war than all the wars we fought in since the civil war. It only took us approximately 75 years to get into our first civil war so aren't we a little overdue?

Lmo 02-11-2020 8:18 PM

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The U.S. Constitution is a secular document. It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. ... The United States was not founded to be an officially Christian nation or to espouse any official religion.
Still ...

Quote:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here._ Patric Henry"


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