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stony
11-09-2013, 7:27 AM
I am thinking about getting a second AK and have been looking at a couple of parts kits:

http://armsofamerica.com/polishakm-47partskithandselect-1-1-1.aspx

http://www.rguns.net/gunparts/rifle-parts-AK.shtml (the 1969 Izhmash AKM near the bottom of the page)

I am kinda leaning towards the Polish AK for a couple of reasons: It is my understanding that rguns customer service is pretty bad and I may not receive the kit for months. Apparently, most of the kits are not "unissued" but rather refurbished to "unissued condition" so given that fact, I am not sure if it is worth the extra money especially since it doesn't come with a barrel. Also, my family is Polish so it would be kinda cool to have a Polish AKM.

Still, there is something awesome about owning a weapon that came from a factory supervised by the guy who designed the AK platform.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I have never ordered anything from either of these places so if I should stay away from one or both of them, let me know.

dyson
11-09-2013, 7:37 AM
wow for the price of that russian kit you can get a fully functioning Saiga at Classic City Firearms

stony
11-09-2013, 8:02 AM
yeah. I thought about that. I'm just not a fan of Saigas. I know they are well built rifles. I just don't like them cosmetically.

stony
11-09-2013, 8:04 AM
I suppose that I could change the things that I don't like later... but then I'm spending more money so it kinda defeats the purpose.

w210838
11-09-2013, 8:09 AM
Stay away from rguns I bought yugo m72 kits from them and it took them a full year and 8 months to fill the order, so long I forgot about the 3 kits I bought , the polish kits are are not that bad.

_Z_
11-09-2013, 8:38 AM
With R guns I haven't had a problem with them. Normally I call to place my order to confirm they have it in stock too. I know a few years ago they got a ton of krink kits and all the members who ordered didn't have a problem with them

kingmoochr
11-09-2013, 9:15 AM
Polish kits are high quality. Unless you want to spend an extra $200+ to have the Russian stamping, there is really no good reason to do so. The Polish kit is ready to build. You will need to buy and populate a barrel for the Russian kit. Demilling barrel components isn't fun and there is a bunch more work building that kit up.

kingmoochr
11-09-2013, 9:29 AM
In fact, thanks for the lead, I just ordered a Polish kit and a Polish receiver from Childers, since I too am Polish :)

hellayella
11-09-2013, 11:37 AM
both parts kits are good for the $, there are some romy kits with original barrels here and there...and a NICE Polish underfolder kit with orginal barrel below:

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165973

stony
11-09-2013, 12:09 PM
both parts kits are good for the $, there are some romy kits with original barrels here and there...and a NICE Polish underfolder kit with orginal barrel below:

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165973

oooh. that IS nice. I already bought the Polish kit that I posted though. Oh well. I think it will be fine. I prefer all wood furniture anyway. Hopefully, I get the hardwood as opposed to the laminate. I might just change it out if I don't get it.

hellayella
11-09-2013, 12:27 PM
laminate or hardwood, u can always refinish it..mine's a Polish underfolder on Romy wood...

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/hellayella8888/romy2_zps8c30d0e2.jpg

zfields
11-09-2013, 12:33 PM
Awesome Franken-K

The Paper Pimp
11-09-2013, 12:40 PM
I bought a Polish kit from AoA and the kit is in SUPERB condition. If you PM me, I'll send you pics of what you can expect for the hand select from AoA

kalieracer
11-09-2013, 1:55 PM
You could always get this sorta Saiga.. it is an Izmash gun

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w675/kult_la/Guns-20_zps28773a68.jpg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/kult_la/media/Guns-20_zps28773a68.jpg.html)

or

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w675/kult_la/Guns-25_zps86610cb5.jpg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/kult_la/media/Guns-25_zps86610cb5.jpg.html)

Mr_Monkeywrench
11-09-2013, 3:26 PM
Not to thread jack, but is there any quality difference between the kits the OP mentioned and the Egyptian kits?

zfields
11-09-2013, 3:29 PM
Not to thread jack, but is there any quality difference between the kits the OP mentioned and the Egyptian kits?

Egyptian kits are known for being a bit rough as far as machine work.

kingmoochr
11-09-2013, 10:47 PM
The egyptians built their guns on russian machinery with russian supervision. Some people place them just under russian guns as far as desirability. I think they're cool for the sanscript. I've had romy, hungarian, polish, bulgarian and egyptian in my possession, never though any was of poorer quality than another. Different countries' weapons have different experiences, and therefore can possibly be more worn out or abused. But off the line, they all work fine. It's more about what condition the particular kit is currently in, unless you want an amd or a milled gun (yugo are the easiest to get).

Marcus von W.
11-10-2013, 12:03 AM
I ordered 2 of the RGuns Soviet kits a few months ago, shipping was pretty fast and lliI've heard it's even faster now. Both were beautiful - as mentioned above, they are Soviet refurbished to like new condition.

I sold one and am planning on building the other, along with a couple of other Soviet kits I have (the ones without front trunnions Sportsman's Guide was selling a while back), and a couple Polish underfolder kits.

The Soviet guns are particularly cool and desirable because they are THE ORIGINAL AK.

That Polish underfolder Hella linked to is particularly desirable because it has it's original barrel - I bought another one from the same seller that was a little nicer for $750.

roger1022
11-10-2013, 12:10 AM
You could always get this sorta Saiga.. it is an Izmash gun

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w675/kult_la/Guns-20_zps28773a68.jpg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/kult_la/media/Guns-20_zps28773a68.jpg.html)

or

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w675/kult_la/Guns-25_zps86610cb5.jpg (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/kult_la/media/Guns-25_zps86610cb5.jpg.html)

:drool5:

Those 2 look fantastic! Probably cost a pretty penny too.

roger1022
11-10-2013, 12:16 AM
Question for the folks who bought a Polish AK kit, what else do you need to assemble the rifle besides the receiver?

(I'm a newbie with AKs)

MrPlink
11-10-2013, 12:31 AM
You need the appropriate rivet and center support and 922r items.
Akbuilder.com is usually a one stop shop for all these

The Paper Pimp
11-10-2013, 12:39 AM
Question for the folks who bought a Polish AK kit, what else do you need to assemble the rifle besides the receiver?

(I'm a newbie with AKs)

you'll need your 922r compliance parts, a barrel, rivets, flat or complete receiver (fixed stock), retaining plate and center support. cost can vary widely depending on what parts you want to use. you can build it yourself if you have the tools or you can attend a BP (refer to the gunsmithing section for this but be aware that the guys are weary of noobs) or you can attend a private 1:1 session in your neck of the woods or have the rifle sent off to a professional gunsmith but they won't work on 80% receivers or flats.

hellayella
11-10-2013, 12:50 AM
922 compliance parts and rivets from ak-builder.com

kalieracer
11-10-2013, 11:57 AM
Thanks, its not that expensive to convert Siaga them to 100 series gun (the lower gun) but the top one cost a good bit because it required a ton of work. But you get real Russian guns

:drool5:

Those 2 look fantastic! Probably cost a pretty penny too.

roger1022
11-10-2013, 3:58 PM
you'll need your 922r compliance parts, a barrel, rivets, flat or complete receiver (fixed stock), retaining plate and center support. cost can vary widely depending on what parts you want to use. you can build it yourself if you have the tools or you can attend a BP (refer to the gunsmithing section for this but be aware that the guys are weary of noobs) or you can attend a private 1:1 session in your neck of the woods or have the rifle sent off to a professional gunsmith but they won't work on 80% receivers or flats.

Well in that case, looks like I'll be buying a Saiga or a O-Pap.

Thanks, its not that expensive to convert Siaga them to 100 series gun (the lower gun) but the top one cost a good bit because it required a ton of work. But you get real Russian guns

Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I can't seem to locate the cool 100 series furniture anywhere. However, nothing beats the beauty of wooden furniture - that screams AK!

SOAR79
11-10-2013, 4:34 PM
The Saiga is a good choice

kalieracer
11-10-2013, 4:52 PM
100 Series furniture is just like the black one (AK74 style) or a side folder that looks like fixed stock.

Well in that case, looks like I'll be buying a Saiga or a O-Pap.



Maybe I'm not looking hard enough but I can't seem to locate the cool 100 series furniture anywhere. However, nothing beats the beauty of wooden furniture - that screams AK!