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kdshooter
07-13-2013, 12:29 AM
A couple of things. I would rather keep it as is (no conversiaon) rather than have a bullet button.

My questions are:
1. Can I replace the furniture without worrying about 922 if I do nothing else?
2. Does anybody know where I can get a wooden furniture for it?

I just bought it and am excited about giving it a workout.
thanks

tmh1
07-13-2013, 8:22 AM
I'm new to Saigas so I have been learning about them just as you are. I did find a nice 922r compliance page on Tapco's web site, which helps in understanding compliance:
http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

So you need to do some counting. Is the furniture on your gun US or foreign, and what will be the origin of your replacement furniture? And, your 132 doesn't have a BB since it doesn't have a pistol grip, so your new furniture also cannot have one.

omnitravis
07-13-2013, 8:38 AM
I'm new to Saigas so I have been learning about them just as you are. I did find a nice 922r compliance page on Tapco's web site, which helps in understanding compliance:
http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

So you need to do some counting. Is the furniture on your gun US or foreign, and what will be the origin of your replacement furniture? And, your 132 doesn't have a BB since it doesn't have a pistol grip, so your new furniture also cannot have one.
Noob party ftw!

EDIT: Just look down, You'll find your answers.

leftyloo
07-13-2013, 8:57 AM
My understanding (not an expert) is that you can swap out parts without triggering 922r as long as you don't take it out of the sporter config. e.g., by adding a pistol grip or muzzle device or modifying to take ak mags.

leftyloo
07-13-2013, 9:05 AM
This is a good site http://www.dinzagarms.com/922r/922r.html

hellayella
07-13-2013, 10:18 AM
ironwood designs

zfields
07-13-2013, 11:40 AM
Changing furniture doesn't trigger 922r (unless it involved adding a pistol grip). Changing it from a "sporting rifle" does.

If you are just swapping over to a wood montecarlo stock, you are fine without converting.


Now, personally I would do a "conversion" to use standard AK mags, you can do this, while still meeting 922r and keeping it featureless by using 2 parts of the tapco trigger, a US forend, Us Muzzle device, and US mags or piston.

kdshooter
07-13-2013, 12:52 PM
thanks for all the 411... please keep it coming.. I love the way the rifle fits me. I would like to get wooden furniture for it.. thanks again..

newguy83
07-13-2013, 1:59 PM
ironwood designs

they have furniture for unconverted saigas?

i only see stuff for post-conversion and saiga 12s

sffred
07-13-2013, 2:00 PM
Ironwood designs! The best imo

peppermintman
07-13-2013, 3:05 PM
Ironwood designs! The best imo

Just do the conversion no big deal. Go to YouTube and you see that it ain't no big deal and easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkNro1MUP7w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

He does the whole thing including parts.

Exdc
07-13-2013, 8:33 PM
ironwood designs

they have furniture for unconverted saigas?

i only see stuff for post-conversion and saiga 12s

http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html
That should do the trick. They have beautiful furniture.

I would like to get a saiga and put some of their furniture on it. Someday... When I'm not a student...:rolleyes:

I believe that the butt stocks will fit either rifle or shotgun. The fore end may require a different piece of hardware, but I am not positive about that.

SFCRangerDoc
07-13-2013, 8:35 PM
Why don't you want to convert it? the trigger SUCKS on the stock saiga...I'm not sure if there are any trigger kits for stock saigas or not, but man the stock one blows...

CSACANNONEER
07-13-2013, 8:51 PM
I'm new to Saigas so I have been learning about them just as you are. I did find a nice 922r compliance page on Tapco's web site, which helps in understanding compliance:
http://www.tapco.com/section922r/

So you need to do some counting. Is the furniture on your gun US or foreign, and what will be the origin of your replacement furniture? And, your 132 doesn't have a BB since it doesn't have a pistol grip, so your new furniture also cannot have one.

He doesn't need to count anything as long as it stays in sporting configuration.

Why don't you want to convert it? the trigger SUCKS on the stock saiga...I'm not sure if there are any trigger kits for stock saigas or not, but man the stock one blows...

Because some people want to leave their Saigas in the stock sporting configurations. I bought my stock Saiga for what it is and have no plans to convert it in any way. If I want another classic style AK, I'll just build another one.

deckhandmike
07-13-2013, 8:52 PM
A featureless ak is really a joy to shoot. If I moved out of state and no one was looking it might take me a few range trips to actually ditch the grip wrap due to being lazy and the fact it's really not that annoying. The tapco trigger you would upgrade to is really nice.

hcbr
07-13-2013, 9:56 PM
I've been thinking about getting a second Saiga and leaving it untouched and not converted. I've shot both and I don't mind it in any configuration.

C.W.M.V.
07-13-2013, 9:59 PM
Me too but where to find them? Id love another x39 Saiga.

Rigma
07-13-2013, 11:28 PM
In terms of wood furniture for a "sporter" or "unconverted" rifle, factory wood taken off a rifle is a rare find since most that have it seem to keep it. Repalcement factory wood for a "sporter" apparently no longer exists.

The only source I have found for replacement wood for a sporter model is http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html

Only the shotgun set seems to be mentioned, so it is unclear to me if a sporter rifle set is available. Anyone actually ordered sporter rifle wood furniture here?

I like the look of this wood set, but I believe it would trigger 922r.
http://www.troupsystems.com/saiga.htm

newguy83
07-14-2013, 12:49 AM
Why don't you want to convert it? the trigger SUCKS on the stock saiga...I'm not sure if there are any trigger kits for stock saigas or not, but man the stock one blows...

i will convert it once i leave californiastan, but until then im going to enjoy the **** out of my bullet-button-free shooting

Joefear7
07-14-2013, 7:22 AM
:useless:

omnitravis
07-14-2013, 7:26 AM
:useless:
Yeah, we should see some shots.

kdshooter
07-14-2013, 10:19 AM
here's a pic

Bobby Ricigliano
07-14-2013, 11:19 AM
People are going to tell you to convert it, because to many folks a gimped up maglocked rifle that looks bichin' has more value than a functional rifle with detachable magazines.

hellayella
07-14-2013, 11:31 AM
convert it and take off the pistol grip, haha problem solved

Bobby Ricigliano
07-14-2013, 12:27 PM
convert it and take off the pistol grip, haha problem solved

Until he tries to shoot it.

Bobby Ricigliano
07-14-2013, 3:56 PM
:useless:

Saiga .223
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/6ad5e6a90216eb24d6b117ccb7fe04cf_zps5b095d11.jpg
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/5ab3ea461d4744cacde977e2a23b7059_zpsa1f813c1.jpg

Saiga 7.62x39 (With Battle Buddy)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/000a8ea0081ead8d9e9596c9ae7518c3_zpsbdbd9668.jpg

The sporter Saiga requires (1) additional US made part to be 922r compliant if you want to use your legally owned standard capacity magazines. I swapped out the handguard for the Tapco handguard, which is excellent and locks down tight.

hellayella
07-14-2013, 8:21 PM
Saiga .223
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/6ad5e6a90216eb24d6b117ccb7fe04cf_zps5b095d11.jpg
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/5ab3ea461d4744cacde977e2a23b7059_zpsa1f813c1.jpg

Saiga 7.62x39 (With Battle Buddy)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/000a8ea0081ead8d9e9596c9ae7518c3_zpsbdbd9668.jpg

The sporter Saiga requires (1) additional US made part to be 922r compliant if you want to use your legally owned standard capacity magazines. I swapped out the handguard for the Tapco handguard, which is excellent and locks down tight.

what it is:::::::>



what it can become ::::::::::::::::::::>

(my first AK74 variant via Atlantic Firearms)


http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/hellayella8888/WA742_zpsca9b8664.jpg

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/hellayella8888/WA74_zps56bc64d6.jpg

hellayella
07-14-2013, 8:23 PM
what I didn't like about it was the non-lightening cuts on the Tapco buttstock which was replaced by a Arsenal model..and non-Bulgarian zig zag brake on the front, which was also replaced....Tapco lower handguard was replaced by a Arsenal one with stainless steel heatshield!

Bobby Ricigliano
07-14-2013, 8:29 PM
what it is:::::::>



what it can become ::::::::::::::::::::>

(my first AK74 variant via Atlantic Firearms)


http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/hellayella8888/WA742_zpsca9b8664.jpg

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/hellayella8888/WA74_zps56bc64d6.jpg

That is a nice AK74, too bad it would be illegal in that configuration in CA.

hellayella
07-14-2013, 8:33 PM
That is a nice AK74, too bad it would be illegal in that configuration in CA.

pic was taken outta state, it's long neutered with a bullet button haha!

newguy83
07-14-2013, 8:35 PM
Saiga .223
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/6ad5e6a90216eb24d6b117ccb7fe04cf_zps5b095d11.jpg
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/5ab3ea461d4744cacde977e2a23b7059_zpsa1f813c1.jpg

Saiga 7.62x39 (With Battle Buddy)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/000a8ea0081ead8d9e9596c9ae7518c3_zpsbdbd9668.jpg

The sporter Saiga requires (1) additional US made part to be 922r compliant if you want to use your legally owned standard capacity magazines. I swapped out the handguard for the Tapco handguard, which is excellent and locks down tight.

can you link me to the exact tapco handguard that you used there?

Bobby Ricigliano
07-14-2013, 9:34 PM
can you link me to the exact tapco handguard that you used there?

http://www.tapco.com/products/saiga/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=155

Bobby Ricigliano
07-14-2013, 9:35 PM
pic was taken outta state, it's long neutered with a bullet button haha!

I think you proved my point.

newguy83
07-14-2013, 11:45 PM
http://www.tapco.com/products/saiga/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=155


thanks


if i put this on my stock saiga sporter, will i be in violation of any laws?

also, how hard was the install? is it just snap on or does it require tooling/fitting?

Paltik
07-15-2013, 9:45 AM
My featureless Saiga .223 with magazine adapter. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=632674)

SOAR79
07-15-2013, 9:51 AM
I'm digging the Tapco handguard

peppermintman
07-15-2013, 10:53 AM
I'm digging the Tapco handguard

Start with the handguard then keep changing stuff th end of ths rifle put. Its a matter of time....you'll do the complete conversion. Why stop at the handguard. Maglock no big deal.

That's difinetly an AK style looking handguard:D

DuneShoot
07-15-2013, 10:56 AM
OP, mind telling us what you paid? Would understand if you didn't.

I'm looking for one as well.

hellayella
07-15-2013, 12:07 PM
My featureless Saiga .223 with magazine adapter. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=632674)

finish it>>!!! if ur in So CAL, I know a friend that does mil-spec SAIGA conversions, not measly peasly here-and-there tinkering!!!! :mad:

hellayella
07-15-2013, 12:08 PM
zig zag brake, bullet guide, AK74 FSB, Arsenal furniture etc

kdshooter
07-15-2013, 12:43 PM
I bought 2 from 2 different shops..One was $579 and one was $665... and those were the only 2 I found anywhere. The price and lack of availability of AR food has really pushed up the price.

DuneShoot
07-15-2013, 1:17 PM
I just jailed one. Going to leave it stock for now. Anyone have some mags forsale? :)

Can anything be done to the stock trigger without converting it? Tweak or replace it?

rman
07-15-2013, 1:24 PM
where are you guys finding these?

-Armand
Sent from my Apple Galaxy Note 5

Artema
07-15-2013, 1:33 PM
I've been contemplating getting a wooden buttstock. When I get home I'll check to see if the link I have for it hasn't already been posted. It looks like they work just fine in unconverted like mine. No bullet button FTW.

DuneShoot
07-15-2013, 2:25 PM
I found mine at North County firearms. Right place, right time. Was the only one and they said it recently came in. $589 :) Found this one has a bolt hold open lever on the bottom of the receiver.

Would like to get a wood stock after a while.

They did have a couple other AK's on the wall but I didn't dare ask about them :)

kdshooter
07-15-2013, 2:32 PM
same thing for me.. SF.. high bridge arms... Pacifica City Arms it was the last one both places.. I just happened upon the first one and went looking for the other one. Highbridge had 10 and they went within a week.

kdshooter
07-15-2013, 2:32 PM
mine has the bolt hod button as well.

CSACANNONEER
07-15-2013, 2:34 PM
That is a nice AK74, too bad it would be illegal in that configuration in CA.

How can you tell that it would be illegal in CA. From the pictures, I think it is impossible to tell if it is a semi auto or if the gas system has been blocked off to make it a straight pull bolt action. I own both a straight pull bolt action AK and a pump action AK.

NRai2001
07-15-2013, 4:36 PM
Are saigas considered mid level or upper level AKs?

Artema
07-15-2013, 4:41 PM
http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDNEWSaiga_2.html has unfinished wood furniture.

rman
07-15-2013, 5:18 PM
I found mine at North County firearms. Right place, right time. Was the only one and they said it recently came in. $589 :) Found this one has a bolt hold open lever on the bottom of the receiver.

Would like to get a wood stock after a while.

They did have a couple other AK's on the wall but I didn't dare ask about them :)

damnit! guess I'll so by there this week

-Armand
Sent from my Apple Galaxy Note 5

SFCRangerDoc
07-15-2013, 11:20 PM
I just got mine a couple weeks ago at Alquist arms in turlock for 499...they're starting to show up again.

peppermintman
07-16-2013, 4:08 AM
Are saigas considered mid level or upper level AKs?

You talking about the Saiga-132 ? Its a sporting rifle.

omnitravis
07-16-2013, 6:32 AM
damnit! guess I'll so by there this week

-Armand
Sent from my Apple Galaxy Note 5

They are all over the internet, not hard to find at all.
http://legionusainc.com/ theres just one site with them.

Bobby Ricigliano
07-16-2013, 6:41 AM
How can you tell that it would be illegal in CA. From the pictures, I think it is impossible to tell if it is a semi auto or if the gas system has been blocked off to make it a straight pull bolt action. I own both a straight pull bolt action AK and a pump action AK.

Despite the fact that the OP said as much and that the picture was taken out of state, you
are correct. In the extraordinarily unlikely case that it is a pump AK or bolt action AK, it would be legal. I'm not the compliance nanny, but the op compared his rifle to an unconverted Saiga.

A bolt action AK or or a pump AK or a Maglocked AK.....three different flavors of gimped California rifles. All inferior to an unconverted Saiga as a viable self defense weapon. To each his own, but I have no use for an AK type rifle inside CA borders unless it is featureless and thus retains its original operational capabilities.

hellayella
07-16-2013, 9:05 AM
They are all over the internet, not hard to find at all.
http://legionusainc.com/ theres just one site with them.

those guys are affiliated with Arsenal USA and FIME group...built my LEGION WA74...good to go

C.W.M.V.
07-16-2013, 9:19 AM
those guys are affiliated with Arsenal USA and FIME group...built my LEGION WA74...good to go

Arsenal eh?
F*ck them in that case.

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gwgn02
07-16-2013, 9:50 AM
You talking about the Saiga-132 ? Its a sporting rifle.

No its only in sporting configuration as sold with the sporting stock. It is a proper AKM rifle when converted, it is considered an upper level rifle build, and a true Russian build. Vepr's from Molot are a bit nicer mainly due to thicker receiver. Most 132's once converted are super reliable, accurate and with a Tapco trigger...smooth shooters.

Paltik
07-16-2013, 10:24 AM
Can anything be done to the stock trigger without converting it? Tweak or replace it?

Yes, you can install a Tapco G2 FCG (2 922r compliance parts). Dinzag Arms has them (http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/fcg.html) (scroll down to where it says "Saiga Factory Config").

Seeing as how the Saiga is not typically filling a long-range precision role, I see no reason to replace the FCG unless the factory trigger bothers you or you need 2 American parts for 922(r) compliance.

SFCRangerDoc
07-16-2013, 1:43 PM
Yes, you can install a Tapco G2 FCG (2 922r compliance parts). Dinzag Arms has them (http://www.dinzagarms.com/misc_parts/fcg.html) (scroll down to where it says "Saiga Factory Config").

Seeing as how the Saiga is not typically filling a long-range precision role, I see no reason to replace the FCG unless the factory trigger bothers you or you need 2 American parts for 922(r) compliance.

If you're going to leave it stock unconverted, then this is absolutely the way to go.

CSACANNONEER
07-16-2013, 6:48 PM
Despite the fact that the OP said as much and that the picture was taken out of state, you
are correct. In the extraordinarily unlikely case that it is a pump AK or bolt action AK, it would be legal. I'm not the compliance nanny, but the op compared his rifle to an unconverted Saiga.

A bolt action AK or or a pump AK or a Maglocked AK.....three different flavors of gimped California rifles. All inferior to an unconverted Saiga as a viable self defense weapon. To each his own, but I have no use for an AK type rifle inside CA borders unless it is featureless and thus retains its original operational capabilities.

I own about 15-20 AK type firearms and don't think of any of them as SD guns. I have plenty of better options for my situation. However, every one of them would be the best pick in different situations. AKs without gas ports like pumps and straight pull bolt action are superior to semi autos when it comes to maximizing the cartridges range and precision. In most cases, I'd rather have better shot placement than rely on quick shooting spray and pray.

Dr.Mavashi
07-16-2013, 10:56 PM
Here is my Mr. Cali Saiganov with SGM mag. Love it !!!!

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z262/DrMavashi/Right.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z262/DrMavashi/Left.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z262/DrMavashi/BoltCloseUp.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z262/DrMavashi/Grip.jpg
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z262/DrMavashi/StockCloseUp.jpg

omnitravis
07-17-2013, 7:10 AM
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z262/DrMavashi/StockCloseUp.jpg

How did you do that grip wrap? That is really nice looking.

Dr.Mavashi
07-17-2013, 3:40 PM
How did you do that grip wrap? That is really nice looking.

I did not :). Bought it here, after one kind sir noticed me running around this board with pants down wanting one. His Saiga came with stock Toys R Us stock and this one in the box us well. He is getting some wood furniture for his so I got an amazing deal on it :hurray:

Norcalkid
07-17-2013, 6:45 PM
People are going to tell you to convert it, because to many folks a gimped up maglocked rifle that looks bichin' has more value than a functional rifle with detachable magazines.

Haha, I would like to just add a bullet guide to mine so I can use old AK mags. But I think I would also have to swap out parts for 922.

NRai2001
07-17-2013, 8:43 PM
^^^


Or you could just remove the bullet button is some disaster/SHTF situation arose...? Wouldn't take more than literally 1 minute to do so ..

newguy83
07-20-2013, 3:33 AM
Saiga .223
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/6ad5e6a90216eb24d6b117ccb7fe04cf_zps5b095d11.jpg
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/5ab3ea461d4744cacde977e2a23b7059_zpsa1f813c1.jpg

Saiga 7.62x39 (With Battle Buddy)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p568/bobby_ricigliano/FeTureless/000a8ea0081ead8d9e9596c9ae7518c3_zpsbdbd9668.jpg

The sporter Saiga requires (1) additional US made part to be 922r compliant if you want to use your legally owned standard capacity magazines. I swapped out the handguard for the Tapco handguard, which is excellent and locks down tight.

can i just order this handguard for the saiga sporter and slap it on if im using 10 round mags with no bullet button ?

or will that still trigger 922r and require me to add a bunch more parts?

MrPlink
07-20-2013, 3:38 AM
Whatever happened to option c : convert AND go featureless?

C.W.M.V.
07-20-2013, 5:32 AM
Whatever happened to option c : convert AND go featureless?

Ya, AK really lens itself to this option.

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rman
07-20-2013, 7:31 AM
Whatever happened to option c : convert AND go featureless?

more than likely the route i'm going... if i could just find the time to get into the shop and DROS my damn rifle

gwgn02
07-20-2013, 8:17 AM
Convert it and throw on a Solar Tactical and carry a hex key to take off when out of state. No need to do super fast mag changes at the range anyways. Make your day last longer...lol Featureless is not how the AK was meant to be handled...nor in sporterized config. Sporterized and featureless look ridiculous IMO. Yes thats just me I guess.

peppermintman
07-21-2013, 6:35 AM
Convert it and throw on a Solar Tactical and carry a hex key to take off when out of state. No need to do super fast mag changes at the range anyways. Make your day last longer...lol Featureless is not how the AK was meant to be handled...nor in sporterized config. Sporterized and featureless look ridiculous IMO. Yes thats just me I guess.

I second that :D