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BlindRacer
07-13-2012, 11:59 AM
I'm looking for opinions on rail length.

I'm not looking for opinions on a long or short rail. I like the look of long rails. However, I just don't know if what I'm thinking would be too long.

I've got my eye on the Samson or Rainier Evolution rails. It will be going on a 16" midlength upper.

Would one of these 15" rails be absolutely ridiculous on a 16" barrel?

I'm liking the look of it, and I think the 12.37" rail that is the next size down that they offer for these rails is just too short. I think a 14" rail would be perfect, but they don't make that.

With a 15" rail, it would leave 1" of barrel, as well as just under 1.5" of the Rainier Mini Comp that I'm eyeing as well. So total of about 2.4" past the rail out to the end of the muzzle device.

Here is what it would look like. 15" on 16" barrel with the Samson Evolution version. (I'd have a different muzzle device though)

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt310/cvolin85/zero7one_SHOT_Show_2011_Samson_EVOLUTION_001.jpg

ExtremeX
07-13-2012, 12:27 PM
I think 13" would have been ideal for a 16" barrel.

I have a Troy 13" VTAC and a Samson Evo 12.37" both on 16" barrels.

Thats about the max I need for my arm reach. Anything longer and I am just added weight to the front for no reason.

BlindRacer
07-13-2012, 12:46 PM
I think 13" would have been ideal for a 16" barrel.

I have a Troy 13" VTAC and a Samson Evo 12.37" both on 16" barrels.

Thats about the max I need for my arm reach. Anything longer and I am just added weight to the front for no reason.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Front site sitting out another 2 inches, and art reach aren't really needed. I'll be using a red dot as well, so it's only for buis's.

These rails are so light though, that it doesn't add all that much weight, and I guess it's more for appearance than it is for function. Pure function, i think I'd be completely fine with the 12.37" rail that they have.

I'm just kinda digging that longer rail. I just don't want it to be stupid looking to everyone who sees it, and I also don't want it to have any other drawbacks regarding function.

Don29palms
07-13-2012, 12:49 PM
It's your rifle. Do what makes you happy and to hell with what everyone else likes. For what it's worth the Samson Evolution rails weigh almost nothing.

BlindRacer
07-13-2012, 4:02 PM
I know it's my rifle, and it should be what I want, but I still value the opinion of others, and would like to know what you guys think.

I did a little photoshopping of how my AR will turn out.

Here is the 12" rail
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/12inch.png

Here is the 15" rail
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/15inch.png

OutlawDon
07-13-2012, 4:09 PM
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/15inch.png

I like this one more.

AeroEngi
07-13-2012, 4:12 PM
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/12inch.png

I think this one looks nicer.

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ExtremeX
07-13-2012, 4:14 PM
I like the 12" more... just looks more balanced

FMJBT
07-13-2012, 7:29 PM
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/15inch.png

^^^^
THIS

ChrisTKHarris
07-13-2012, 7:30 PM
Go with the 15" :)

Arkangel
07-13-2012, 9:09 PM
I like the look of a 13" rail on a 16" barrel, plus it suits me perfectly.
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg94/arkangelblak/DSCN2172.jpg

451040
07-14-2012, 4:05 AM
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/12inch.png


^^^^
THIS

BlindRacer
07-16-2012, 9:56 AM
I'm really surprised. The votes seem to be split right down the middle on this.

I think I'm going to go with the longer, 15" version. I just think it will sit extremely well out toward the end like that. And with that small Rainier brake on the end, it will look sick!


I came across something over the weekend, that may be of some concern. Do the Magpul MBUS sights still work well if they are further to the end like this?

And also, if the rear MBUS were placed further forward as well? I've never shot with these sights before, and just throwing around options in my head for them. I guess I can just play with it to find out what works the best for me, but if anyone has more first hand experience with them in these positions, I'd love to hear about it.

IPSICK
07-16-2012, 11:06 AM
I'll say it depends on how you prefer to hold your rifle and how much extra weight you're willing to tolerate (Although the Samson rail and the Troy VTAC Extreme rail are very light).

A near fully extended weakhand arm with index finger parallel to the rifle barrel with thumb over (similar to what Agent Tikki described below) is very popular among action shooters. With my short arms (I'm 5'4" with a similar wingspan), using that hold my index finger will reach out at least past a 12.5" JP handguard and will also be obstructed by a sling stud (side mounted for use with 2-point sling) even before the end of the handguard. However, I have been resistant to switching to a 15"-plus handguard because it would add more weight (using a JP VTAC which I prefer) than I am willing to tolerate.

Agent Tikki
07-16-2012, 11:07 AM
I personally like the 15" rail look on a 16" barrel, it's the disspator look.

Here is a couple pics of my 16" RUC with 12" Rainer Arms Evolution rail if it helps you any....

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee366/AgentTikki/RUCMODLS1.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee366/AgentTikki/RUCMODRF1.jpg

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee366/AgentTikki/RUCLF1.jpg

Agent Tikki
07-16-2012, 11:11 AM
Just to make your life a little harder,

I had the chance to handle a Midwest Industries SS Gen 2 rail. It is solid, doesn't rotate or wiggle. Its lighter than Troy's TRX and Samson or Rainer Arm's Evolution Models and the overall tube diameter is a bit slimmer. I wear size large gloves and find that the usually thumb over grip is much easier with a slimmer rail I plan to use the MI SS on my next builds.

Prc329
07-16-2012, 11:41 AM
I just installed a 15" MI Gen 2 SS and I really like it. I like to have my left hand far forward and it feels really comfy and light.

Prc329
07-16-2012, 4:26 PM
Here is a pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/naytwan/Guns/IMG_0132.jpg

Vltor MUR-1A and a 15" MI Gen 2 rail over a 16" barrel.

bender152
07-16-2012, 4:36 PM
If we're talking looks alone, I'm not a fan of uber long rails. Some people say it gives their rifle that "SBR" look, but I tend to disagree. You've got a 16" barrel. Nothing is gonna make it look like an SBR.

(Reminds me of the time I saw someone with a 16" Noveske barrel and a Flaming Pig at the end of it. The thing looked ridiculous.)

As far as function goes, if you can take advantage of the extra rail space, then go for it.

For me 13" rails are the max. There's no benefit, to me specifically, to going with a 15" rail.

tomd1584
07-16-2012, 7:00 PM
If we're talking looks alone, I'm not a fan of uber long rails. Some people say it gives their rifle that "SBR" look, but I tend to disagree. You've got a 16" barrel. Nothing is gonna make it look like an SBR.

(Reminds me of the time I saw someone with a 16" Noveske barrel and a Flaming Pig at the end of it. The thing looked ridiculous.)

As far as function goes, if you can take advantage of the extra rail space, then go for it.

For me 13" rails are the max. There's no benefit, to me specifically, to going with a 15" rail.

Agreed. 15" looks silly IMO.

Richard Erichsen
07-16-2012, 7:12 PM
I know it's my rifle, and it should be what I want, but I still value the opinion of others, and would like to know what you guys think.

I did a little photoshopping of how my AR will turn out.

Here is the 12" rail
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/12inch.png

Here is the 15" rail
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/15inch.png

That second one sure makes the thumb over bore technique further out on the fulcrum possible and probably that much more effective as a result. Screw looks.

R

s4alex
07-16-2012, 8:42 PM
Yeah, the rail was one of the last pieces of my build. I couldn't decide if I wanted a 15" rail or a 13" rail. I kinda like the Dissipator look of the 15", but decided to go with the 13".

It works and looks and works really good for me. I went with a Troy 13" Alpha rail and went with Troy BUIS. This is on a Noveske 16" barrel with a 1.5 AAC FS.

p1choco
07-16-2012, 8:59 PM
The Troy Alpha with integrated flip up front sight is right about 13.5" if I remember correctly. That's about as close to 14" as you can get. I think the 14" would be just about perfect for my long arm length. But I don't think you'll be sorry if you go with the 12".

s4alex
07-16-2012, 9:21 PM
The Troy Alpha with integrated flip up front sight is right about 13.5" if I remember correctly. That's about as close to 14" as you can get. I think the 14" would be just about perfect for my long arm length. But I don't think you'll be sorry if you go with the 12".


13.8" That the reason I went with it. However, I went with the one without the integrated sight. 2 reasons.. first, I have a mid-length gas, so the integrated would interfere. Second, I wanted the Troy HK Flipup sights.

Sam .223
07-16-2012, 9:27 PM
i personally don't like the really long rails on the 16 inch barrels, that said i have a mid length JP rail which i believe is 9 inches on a 14.5 barrel. i think for the look of the longer barrel and long hand guard is pretty much just added weight, but do what you like, its your gun and you should make it how you want it reguardless of opinions.

siznarf
07-16-2012, 9:48 PM
I know it's my rifle, and it should be what I want, but I still value the opinion of others, and would like to know what you guys think.

I did a little photoshopping of how my AR will turn out.


This is exactly the thread that I am looking for! Well almost exactly ... I'm having a hard time deciding what length of rail to get for a 14.5 (16.5 pinned Smith Iron Muzzle break) barrel ... maybe you can help me out with photoshopping! ;) .. I'm thinking 13" for my handguard

In any case, I think the 12" looks better

clutchy
07-16-2012, 10:21 PM
I think 13" or 12" is the sweet spot a 16" barrel.

I have a 13" on my 14.5 pinned build and I wish I'd gone w/ an 11"


also an FYI that minicomp is effing loud. Ridiculously loud.

there's a coupon code for it on arfcom in the industry section or I've got an extra I'll sell you for $30... that is if you haven't bought it already. In that case you'll be regretting it like I am. Certainly does compensate though.

http://i.imgur.com/Kw5nul.jpg
It's changed a bit but gives an overall idea.

Prc329
07-17-2012, 5:36 AM
That second one sure makes the thumb over bore technique further out on the fulcrum possible and probably that much more effective as a result. Screw looks.

R

That was my main reason for the longer rail, to get my hand out further.

pistolero805
07-17-2012, 5:53 PM
I prefer the shorter rail. I have a 13" Troy trx on a 16" barrel. It seems to flow nicer with the overall look of the rifle.

Revolver Ocelot
07-17-2012, 6:03 PM
Here is the 12" rail
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z307/quiktaco/12inch.png

I vote for this.