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tvfreakarms
01-16-2012, 6:25 PM
So i finally took my xdm 5.25 .45 to the range for the first time. Well it wasent so great. I had several ftf. Out of 200 i shot i must of had 10 to 20 ftf. My guess its the mag. All 3 of my mags had problems. I loaded all the mags to its full capacity(10) and immediatly after the first shot it ftf. So i reduced it to half and some to 6,7 or 8rds. That helped and i wasent getting ftf as much. I i only loaded to half. I still got maybe 1 ftf at half full but not as often. Im using privi. So i went and spent more money for a magtech ammo. I loaded to full capacity it ftf after the first shot. I wonder if this has happen to other xdm owners? The mags i got were when SA was having the special when their company was giving out the 3 xtra mags and magazine holder.
Any other ideas what could be causing this? I think its the mags.

Shot my g19 gen4 as well. No problems since the extracter was fixed. Ran smoothly with no issues. On the upside to my xdm, its more comfortable to shot than my glock. My knuckle keeps getting beat up. Under the trigger guard. So i have to keep adjusting.

I hope SA customer service is good

lwlaml
01-16-2012, 6:43 PM
I picked up my 9mm variant two weeks ago. I shot it in two matches so far and I've had zero issues shooting my reloads (124gr FMJ with 4.2gr of W231). No experience with factory rounds.

Funny you mentioned the knuckle. I had the same experience but i didn't notice it until the morning after my first time shooting with it. It felt like I had an inexplicable sprain in my middle finger. I didn't realize it was the gun until I picked up the gun again and immediately felt the pain when my knuckle contacts the underside of the trigger guard. It's gotten better the more I shoot it.

Lester


So i finally took my xdm 5.25 .45 to the range for the first time. Well it wasent so great. I had several ftf. Out of 200 i shot i must of had 10 to 20 ftf. My guess its the mag. All 3 of my mags had problems. I loaded all the mags to its full capacity(10) and immediatly after the first shot it ftf. So i reduced it to half and some to 6,7 or 8rds. That helped and i wasent getting ftf as much. I i only loaded to half. I still got maybe 1 ftf at half full but not as often. Im using privi. So i went and spent more money for a magtech ammo. I loaded to full capacity it ftf after the first shot. I wonder if this has happen to other xdm owners? The mags i got were when SA was having the special when their company was giving out the 3 xtra mags and magazine holder.
Any other ideas what could be causing this? I think its the mags.

Shot my g19 gen4 as well. No problems since the extracter was fixed. Ran smoothly with no issues. On the upside to my xdm, its more comfortable to shot than my glock. My knuckle keeps getting beat up. Under the trigger guard. So i have to keep adjusting.

I hope SA customer service is good

cfusionpm
01-16-2012, 6:46 PM
Dunno about the 5.25 model, but I have a 9mm 4.5 XDM with a good 6-700 rds through it flawlessly. Almost all ammo was either cheap gun show reloads or Federal, both 115gr. FMJ. I got it private party and the mags that came with it were factory XDM 19 rounds mags, already blocked to 10 and glued shut. I got mine from a member here who I think said he got it through SSE via Valkrye Arms, who also did the mags. I don't know how they were modified, but they seemed to function flawlessly. My friends have had failures with limp-wristing my 92FS, but never with the XDM. I can't recall ever having a failure to feed or eject, and have been nothing but pleased with my XDM. It's probably my favorite pistol at the moment, and by far the most accurate I shoot with.

Edit: could be the mags? I just saw that you have a .45 and supposedly they use the same mags as standard XD45s. Perhaps if you could get a hold of a standard XDM mag (as a parts kit, of course), then use the block from the XD mags in the XDM mag frame? I don't know if they are any different, structurally, than the standard XD mags.

bigcalidave
01-16-2012, 7:06 PM
Was it all one type of ammo?

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 7:17 PM
No problem with my XDm mags. Only thing I shoot is my own ammo though. I don't think Springfield is going to help you on the modified mag issue. Best to take them back to who modified them. Even though they are fixed 10 round mags, some manufactures have been known to not ship back standard capacity mags. Just check with them first.

Nor*Cal
01-16-2012, 7:28 PM
I put 300 rounds of Federal 115gr. through my XDm 4.5 9mm with zero issues. It sounds like you tried 2 types of ammo and had problems with both.

Also sounds like you have the XD 10 round mags and not the XDm 13 rounders blocked to 10. The .45 was the only XDm that Springfield would ship the 3 free mags for into CA.

Do some searching over on XD Talk and see if anyone else has experienced this. Hopefully its an easy fix.

Good luck!

tvfreakarms
01-16-2012, 7:33 PM
On their promotion for the free mags they offered the 10rd mags. The mags r not modified. Its what i got from SA factory. Why wouldnt SA do amything about it?

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 7:40 PM
Springfield does not currently make 10 round XDm mags. Sounds like they sent you XD mags. They will work but the follower has a different lip and they will not lock back on the XDm.

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 7:43 PM
Also XDm 9&40 are not part of the promotion but the XDm. 45 is. The mags for the. 45 are interchangeable with the XD & XDm. Do you have the. 45?

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 7:45 PM
Nevermind. Read your post. Try a differant brand ammo, if it still does it hand the gun off to a RO or another experienced shooter. See if it is the gun or you.

4fifth
01-16-2012, 7:46 PM
I have the xdm 45 3.8 with no problems and I shoot blazer and federal ammo

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 7:49 PM
I am on my phone so I can't correct my darn posts. For some reason I had it in my head that you had the 9mm. Glad I didn't look like a fool. Insert roll eyes smiley here, since I can't on my Droid.

ir0nclash86
01-16-2012, 7:57 PM
Pick up an XDM rebuild kit and block it off to 10 rounds and see if that solves the problem. If that doesn't help then I would contact the Springfield and see if theyll want to take a look at your gun. Maybe your XDM doesn't like the standard XD mags even though they're supposed to be compatible.

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 8:13 PM
The Xdm .45 is a 13 rounder I believe. I could be wrong on that one though. Should be no problem since the followers are the same.

tvfreakarms
01-16-2012, 10:48 PM
I tried 2 diffrent ammo. Privi and magtech. When i have it a full mag and i shot the first rd it ftf. I happen both times with the diff ammo. But when i have it half full it doesnt ftf. But it does happen once or twice. When its full it will ftf 3 times in a row or even 4.
Ill buy diff brand and have other people shoot it and see what happens. It could b me but that many times in a row?
My buddy has a colt 1911 and i didnt have ftf. So i cant b limp wristing that much.

tvfreakarms
01-16-2012, 10:49 PM
And i bought 1k of privi. I hope its not the ammo.

sirgiles
01-16-2012, 10:54 PM
maybe the springs in the mags are stiff? trying loading them up for a week. that is what i did with my glock 30 mags when they were new.

jeffrice6
01-16-2012, 11:27 PM
So i finally took my xdm 5.25 .45 to the range for the first time. Well it wasent so great. I had several ftf. Out of 200 i shot i must of had 10 to 20 ftf. My guess its the mag. All 3 of my mags had problems.

This makes me think its not mag related.......

chim-chim7
01-16-2012, 11:48 PM
I tried 2 diffrent ammo. Privi and magtech. When i have it a full mag and i shot the first rd it ftf. I happen both times with the diff ammo. But when i have it half full it doesnt ftf. But it does happen once or twice. When its full it will ftf 3 times in a row or even 4.
Ill buy diff brand and have other people shoot it and see what happens. It could b me but that many times in a row?
My buddy has a colt 1911 and i didnt have ftf. So i cant b limp wristing that much.


Before you call Springfield try letting someone else have a go. The XDm does not carry the heft of a 1911. The felt recoil is less in a 1911 than the XDm. Not saying its you, but you do need to eliminate one thing at a time until the problem in uncovered. Range officers love shooting other peoples guns, just ask, most are more than happy to blast a couple mags of your ammo.

tvfreakarms
01-17-2012, 12:44 AM
Well i dont have as much time to go the range. But ill give that a try first before calling SA.
When i do put in the last rd it is pretty stiff.

Do u think if i load them to the max and leave it fully loaded that might lossen up the spring a bit?

BOFH
01-17-2012, 12:55 AM
You had failures to fire? What do the primer strikes look like? Sounds like the striker is just not moving freely.

chim-chim7
01-17-2012, 1:39 AM
You had failures to fire? What do the primer strikes look like? Sounds like the striker is just not moving freely.


He is talking about failure to feed.

chim-chim7
01-17-2012, 1:41 AM
Well i dont have as much time to go the range. But ill give that a try first before calling SA.
When i do put in the last rd it is pretty stiff.

Do u think if i load them to the max and leave it fully loaded that might lossen up the spring a bit?


Yes that will help a little, but cycling the spring will loosen it faster. Do you have a Uplula? If not get one asap. New mags are no match for the Uplula.

tvfreakarms
01-17-2012, 3:34 PM
I just use the factory ammo loader from SA.
Lets hope its not me lol. Bit at the same time i hope the springs need to loosen up.
Should i take apart the mag and do something about spring tention?

zfields
01-17-2012, 3:44 PM
TV, can you tell me the OAL of the round?


I know my XD .45 compact likes' em short!

tvfreakarms
01-17-2012, 7:26 PM
Umm...OAL?
I used magtech and prvi brand ammo

TV, can you tell me the OAL of the round?


I know my XD .45 compact likes' em short!

tvfreakarms
01-17-2012, 7:30 PM
Well im going to stop by wally world and pick up a couple diff brand ammo.
So for sake of argument, i let other people shot my xdm and use more than 2 diff brands of ammo and if there is still the same problem i mentioned above what else could b causing the issue with my xdm? Mag most likely? Or i got a lemon pistol?

zfields
01-17-2012, 7:36 PM
OAL = overall length. I dont have any of that ammo around so I cant measure it.

chim-chim7
01-17-2012, 7:56 PM
Well lets wait to see the results of new ammo and shooter before we move into other areas of the weapon.
95% of the time its ammo or shooter related. 5% of the time its a magazine issue, but its pretty isolated. Having three bad mags leads us to believe its not the mags.

chim-chim7
01-17-2012, 8:02 PM
Every shooter should own a basic set of dial calipers and know how to use them. They really help at diagnosing problems. Know what the OAL of your ammo is one of those. Cheap dial calipers, not digital, can be had for around $20 and will last for years if taken care of. The cheap ones are +/- .003 and are good enough for small jobs. Have a Harbor Freight in your area?

quig
01-17-2012, 8:38 PM
Hmmmm. Seems weird that you would be having this problem.

First off, Springfield customer service is awesome.

Second, check out XDtalk.com. That is a great forum for all XD questions with tons of experience in XD's and any issues.

Good luck.

tvfreakarms
01-18-2012, 2:23 AM
Ill have to join the xdtalk forum.
I bought some winchesters, feds and some remington. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks ill have some time to go to the range and retest. Ill b back(no pun intented;-))

jink122
01-18-2012, 2:44 AM
lube.

chim-chim7
01-18-2012, 3:03 AM
Ill have to join the xdtalk forum.
I bought some winchesters, feds and some remington. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks ill have some time to go to the range and retest. Ill b back(no pun intented;-))

Let us know.

soul
01-19-2012, 10:43 AM
I have the XDM 9mm 4.5 bitone for a month now, absolutely zero issues feeding it Winchester WB, Federal Bulk, UMC and also the Winchester 147 grain hollowpoints. It seems to be eating everything I throw at her.

On side note, I do clean it after every shoot. UMC was the dirtiest, both WWB and Federal were similar in residue

Planning to buy the XDM 9mm compact as well

tvfreakarms
01-19-2012, 1:42 PM
Im shooting privi ammo and its pretty dirty. The front part of my xdm was covered in grime. The fiber optic fs was getting covered in powder residue. It made it a little hard to see the fs.

Update ill most likely be able to go to the range this sunday. Ill bring the diff ammos i bought and hopefully ill be able to find some experienced shooters to help me out. Anyone from the sac area would like to jiin me that would b cook. Im going to the gun room in elk grove

The DRis
01-19-2012, 3:05 PM
Springfield has the best customer service in the biz. They will rock your socks off if you have to send it in.

XDPhan
01-19-2012, 9:02 PM
I have the XDM 9mm 4.5 bitone for a month now, absolutely zero issues feeding it Winchester WB, Federal Bulk, UMC and also the Winchester 147 grain hollowpoints. It seems to be eating everything I throw at her.

On side note, I do clean it after every shoot. UMC was the dirtiest, both WWB and Federal were similar in residue

Planning to buy the XDM 9mm compact as well

I'm living in AZ right now and just absolutely love shooting the XDm 9 Compact. It's new and I've had zero issue with anything I've put through it. I think I like it better than my XD 40 Tactical! Helluva gun...

Sac-AR15
01-20-2012, 2:24 AM
I have the XDM45 4.25. When I bought it new via SSE it only came with 10rd mags. and SA also sent me 3 10round mags. So far I've shot about 400 rounds with zero issues. I was using Winchester and Federal ammos. SA said the mags they sent to me were the XD ones.

tvfreakarms
01-22-2012, 8:58 PM
OK so i finally went to the range today. Bought different brands of ammo as well. So it turns out it was partly me and partly the spring is my guess.
I had one dude shot my xdm and it worked out fine. My buddy shot it who never has shot a 45cal pistol and there was no problems. Then i went and it was fine.
Although i did have 2 FTF out of 250rds or so (FTE on my glock) but i think i might have limped wrist a bit.
But i think the springs were a little stiff. So 3 or 4 days before i went to the range i loaded up all 3 of my xdm mags and let it sit for a few days. I guess that helped a lot cause there wasn't any problems other than 3 i mentioned above.
So i'm happy now:43::43::43:

My other question is, when you limp wrist, can all pistols 1911's, CZ, glocks, FN, or any other brands (semi-autos) cause it to FTF or FTE? Is it that sensitive? Or is it only certain brands of pistols are more prone or more sensitive to FTF or FTE when you limp wrist?

Sorry for the newb question but i I'm not to familiar with pistols and the glock and my xdm that i own is my first pistols in a long while and the .45cal is my first pistol i've ever owned and i only owned 2 9mm first one being my HI power browning.

zfields
01-22-2012, 9:02 PM
Just about any semi auto can be limp wristed.

It really seems guns that have less "natural" grip angles are a little more sensitive to it. Not sure why. Personally I think glocks really lock your wrist down, which in turn helps with perceived recoil, and for me make it very odd to shoot.

lwlaml
01-22-2012, 10:32 PM
Yes. My 9 yo and I son together quite often and he is prone to limp wrist if he forgets to concentrate on it.

Whether it is a the GSG 1911 in .22 or the XDM in 9mm, we shoot the same ammo back to back and while I have zero issues, he will experience 20-30% FTEs.

Lester

My other question is, when you limp wrist, can all pistols 1911's, CZ, glocks, FN, or any other brands (semi-autos) cause it to FTF or FTE? Is it that sensitive? Or is it only certain brands of pistols are more prone or more sensitive to FTF or FTE when you limp wrist?