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AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 6:55 PM
First and foremost, ladies and gentleman, I am humbled with the amount of people who came from great distances, called sick into work, changed their schedules, and ran around like mad men gathering supplies for this event. With only 4 days to plan, we were still able to come together with about 50 Calgunners. I have to admit, that this event required more planning then the typical gun shows I am used to coordinating. With the help of several Calgunners, we were able to make the magic happen.
Special thanks to Josh Berger, Kevin (Oaklander), Gene Hoffman, Brandon Combs, Fred (FastFingers), Thomas, Erik Z, Sean (2 of them) and Seans beautiful wife for the extra work put into this effort.
(I am sure I missed someone)

The event flowed nicely from the beginning. Most people had already parked well before 11, and everyone (even Kestryll) looked presentable. We had zero issues with any Anti folks attempting to extinguish the momentum. LAPD paid a visit half way thru, after recieving a 911 call. I talked to one of their Sergent's for several minutes. I briefly explained what we were doing, and he responded by telling us to walk up and down the street, to get more exposure from both sides of the street. :D. They hung out for the remainder of the event, until we disbursed to go to the bar and grill. I invited them, but they said something about continuing on their shift.

Several of the passer buyers stopped and talked to us. One gentlemen who had drove by, pulled over to tell us that he had used his firearm 3 separate times for self defense. We got a couple confused looks, and a few of the "Wow, I didn't know that." I would imagine that was a discussion on each of their facebook pages when they got home. We had 2 different media outlets talk to Gene, Xaviar and Paul. We had sent out a press release to all the local newspapers and media, however, I don't think they were short on stories with all the donation drives and Nuclear talk regarding Japan.

Gene gave a pep talk to the crowd, and even talked about a few secrets that the CalGuns Foundation is working on. All in all, a great Southern California day. :cool:

Pics and vids to follow.

mag360
03-16-2011, 7:00 PM
Great to hear the event went well!

HowardW56
03-16-2011, 7:08 PM
I'm sorry I couldn't make it, I just got home after a 14 hour day...

Bobby Hated
03-16-2011, 7:11 PM
great to meet you andrew. excellant job communicating with the LAPD when they arrived. you are the man!

G60
03-16-2011, 7:15 PM
Can't wait for the video, makes us all very proud to be a part of such a community.

It was really a 911 call, not just a call to the police dept?

Liberty1
03-16-2011, 7:20 PM
911 call? Get the tape and the CAD print out so we can out that anti for 911 abuse.

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 7:54 PM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0491.jpg




:eek:Video::43:
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/th_DSC_0490.jpg (http://s367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/?action=view&current=DSC_0490.mp4)

Smiling the entire time.
6 LEO's stopped total

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 8:06 PM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0494.jpg
Everybody starring as i talked to the officers.


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0625.jpg
Eating ....not sure if these are calguns members or not


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0626.jpg
Gene was saying "See, my id says I only weight 160.


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0634.jpg


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0619.jpg

Pat Riot
03-16-2011, 8:12 PM
What were the members of the MAIG up to?

What was the MAIG turnout like?

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 8:18 PM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0622.jpg
Practice Glock 17.

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0483.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0482.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0478.jpg

FourTenJaeger
03-16-2011, 8:19 PM
Which one is the Big Kes?
Great job by the way! Good pics too. :D

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 8:19 PM
What were the members of the MAIG up to?

What was the MAIG turnout like?


I took a picture of them
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0475.jpg

Pat Riot
03-16-2011, 8:23 PM
I took a picture of them
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0475.jpg

tushe`

But I thought this was a demonstration to counter the MAIG demonstration?

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 8:23 PM
Gene addressing the crowd of 50 calgunners
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0465.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0467.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0451.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0442.jpg

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 8:24 PM
tushe`

But I thought this was a demonstration to counter the MAIG demonstration?

They refused to post their schedule. Nobody saw them.

AndrewMendez
03-16-2011, 8:27 PM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0441.jpg


Kestryll talking to a reporter
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0439.jpg


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0438.jpg

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0435.jpg

JohanD
03-16-2011, 8:35 PM
Excellent work! Love the pictures and the imagery used.

Cali-Shooter
03-16-2011, 8:38 PM
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Cali-Shooter
03-16-2011, 8:43 PM
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Nor-Cal
03-16-2011, 8:45 PM
Great job to everybody involved and to all that attended!

JohnnyRooks
03-16-2011, 8:51 PM
great job guys...

Shady
03-16-2011, 9:00 PM
good job boyz

barthel
03-16-2011, 9:02 PM
:jump:

keneva
03-16-2011, 9:09 PM
I am so proud to be a member of this site. I'm sorry that I could not be there, Los Banos, and had to take my wife to a doctors appointment today. Thank you all for showing up. Functions like this will only help to motivate us in the future.

Bobby Hated
03-16-2011, 9:18 PM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0491.jpg

Smiling the entire time.
6 LEO's stopped total

love that pic of the officer in charge talking to andrew. you could tell he would be right there with us if he wasnt on duty.

one of the plainclothed LEO's who was there on his lunch break told me everyone in his office was supportive of us, but they all couldnt sneak off for lunch at the same time and join us. thank him for giving up his lunch to come down from his office to support us for his lunch break!

Cali-Shooter
03-16-2011, 9:20 PM
love that pic of the officer in charge talking to andrew. you could tell he would be right there with us if he wasnt on duty.

one of the plainclothed LEO's who was there on his lunch break told me everyone in his office was supportive of us, but they all couldnt sneak off for lunch at the same time and join us. thank him for giving up his lunch to come down from his office to support us for his lunch break!

Inspirational to hear. There is hope for this state. That's why you keep fighting the good fight :patriot:

Swiss
03-16-2011, 9:47 PM
I think what you all did is great but please explain why in the past CGN honchos have stated that rallies are counterproductive (eg: on the steps of the CA Capitol) but now apparently they are not. What's changed?

Chuck0matic
03-16-2011, 9:55 PM
Awesome. I recorded Andrew talking to them. I knew everything was fine because Andrew and the officers were laughing half the time. Good to hear they are on our side. I think more and more officers are understanding what we are all about. I was glad to be here today, even though I really needed to sleep.


love that pic of the officer in charge talking to andrew. you could tell he would be right there with us if he wasnt on duty.

one of the plainclothed LEO's who was there on his lunch break told me everyone in his office was supportive of us, but they all couldnt sneak off for lunch at the same time and join us. thank him for giving up his lunch to come down from his office to support us for his lunch break!

edsel6502
03-16-2011, 10:59 PM
on to the next event in long beach.

Andrew, I am a looooong way from miami... ;)

hgreen
03-16-2011, 11:04 PM
Are there no women on CGN? I don't think I saw a single female in those pictures that was not holding a mic.

If we want to reach the masses, we need to look like them.

I think its high time people from CGF, 2AF, CRPA, and NRA sat down at the table with the growing OC groups in CA. If you look at our events, we have a much more representative mix of CA at our events on a regular basis. We'll be a lot more effective at securing our 2A rights together.

hoffmang
03-16-2011, 11:11 PM
I think what you all did is great but please explain why in the past CGN honchos have stated that rallies are counterproductive (eg: on the steps of the CA Capitol) but now apparently they are not. What's changed?
A rally at the capitol is useless. Riffing on Bloomberg's political stunts is priceless. It's a fine but important line.

I think its high time people from CGF, 2AF, CRPA, and NRA sat down at the table with the growing OC groups in CA. If you look at our events, we have a much more representative mix of CA at our events on a regular basis. We'll be a lot more effective at securing our 2A rights together.

You were invited yet I didn't see you there. I counted 10% women at our event. We would have loved if you'd done less talking and more showing up with women.

-Gene

jdberger
03-16-2011, 11:12 PM
I think what you all did is great but please explain why in the past CGN honchos have stated that rallies are counterproductive (eg: on the steps of the CA Capitol) but now apparently they are not. What's changed?

Well, there's a teensy bit of history behind this.

When the MAIG truck had started touring the country, SAF and CCRKBA decided to follow them with the Guns Save Lives truck to counter the message. Well, after a couple stops, the Bloomberg folks decided that they didn't appreciate the competition for media coverage (and facts) and they decided to stop publishing their schedule. CCRKBA had to go it alone.

They did a couple of spots and then predicted the the MAIG guys would probably be coming to LA in the very near future. Mayor Villagairosa is a MAIG Mayor. LA is one of America's largest cities. It was only logical.

CCRKBA dispatched the truck to LA. They gave Gene Hoffman a call and asked if he'd speak to the media. He agreed and asked me to help. I figured that a press event with a lonely guy in front of a giant billboard would be boring. It needed some spice.

And that's how you ended up with a "rally".

It wasn't really planned as such, more as a backdrop to the billboard and Gene/CCRKBA's message of opposition to MAIG.

jdberger
03-16-2011, 11:14 PM
Gene? Were those linen pants you were wearing?

You're still such the Southerner.... ;)

hoffmang
03-16-2011, 11:18 PM
Gene? Were those linen pants you were wearing?

You're still such the Southerner.... ;)

More Chinos. The politically savvy better half and I spent some time thinking about the appropriate sartorial choices. Mayor Bloomberg's usual $5000 suit was the counterpoint.

-Gene

jdberger
03-16-2011, 11:20 PM
Harlan, your criticisms don't appear constructive. They appear petulant.

Your presence, and that of SBOC members was welcome. I'm not sure why you thought you were excluded.

We have strength in numbers.

How about you join us and the Pink Pistols at the Long Beach Pride Parade? I promise, there won't be any dress code. ;)

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/firsts/cartoon/snake.jpg

wildhawker
03-16-2011, 11:52 PM
We've been historically successful at tailoring delivery and content to venue. This was a mid-week drill that imposed some real constraints, and the team met and exceeded the goals that were set for this event.

I'm not sure even I fully appreciate the irony of SAF/CGF/CRPA being chastised by South Bay (Unloaded) Open Carry for not representing the public at large, and more, for not looking like them.

In my capacity as Chair of the CRPA Programs and Coalitions Committee, I'm formally opening the door to conversations with 2A groups throughout California. We have some ideas for providing all pro-gun groups an opportunity to gather and discuss our common interests and challenges. Look for me to make some announcements in the near future.

-Brandon

Are there no women on CGN? I don't think I saw a single female in those pictures that was not holding a mic.

If we want to reach the masses, we need to look like them.

I think its high time people from CGF, 2AF, CRPA, and NRA sat down at the table with the growing OC groups in CA. If you look at our events, we have a much more representative mix of CA at our events on a regular basis. We'll be a lot more effective at securing our 2A rights together.

69Mach1
03-17-2011, 12:23 AM
Great job.

Funtimes
03-17-2011, 12:33 AM
We've been historically successful at tailoring delivery and content to venue. This was a mid-week drill that imposed some real constraints, and the team met and exceeded the goals that were set for this event.

I'm not sure even I fully appreciate the irony of SAF/CGF/CRPA being chastised by South Bay (Unloaded) Open Carry for not representing the public at large, and more, for not looking like them.

In my capacity as Chair of the CRPA Programs and Coalitions Committee, I'm formally opening the door to conversations with 2A groups throughout California. We have some ideas for providing all pro-gun groups an opportunity to gather and discuss our common interests and challenges. Look for me to make some announcements in the near future.

-Brandon

+1 Brandon... there is alot of foot stomping which isn't really good. Kind of makes me sad, we seem to argue at each other more sometimes.

Everyone has their strong points! Congrats to you guys for putting out a good turnout.

obeygiant
03-17-2011, 12:44 AM
Harlan, your criticisms don't appear constructive. They appear petulant.

Your presence, and that of SBOC members was welcome. I'm not sure why you thought you were excluded.

We have strength in numbers.

How about you join us and the Pink Pistols at the Long Beach Pride Parade? I promise, there won't be any dress code. ;)

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/firsts/cartoon/snake.jpg

QFT! Great job everyone.

Citizen 14
03-17-2011, 12:52 AM
Outstanding job folks. Thank you many times over for all the hard work.

Munk
03-17-2011, 1:33 AM
It was actually fortunate that I couldn't find a ride. I wound up ill the morning of (because i didn't recognize the signs the night before), and I'd have been a Patient Zero of a 2a related cold epidemic.

Had I not been laid low, i'd have made the trip... i just wouldn't have been able to buy lunch when I got there due to gas money lol.

Looks like it was a lot of fun.

kcbrown
03-17-2011, 2:15 AM
Note to self: whenever CGF and friends hold a major event and need people to show up, you are to suddenly be sick as a dog and laid up in bed so bad that you can't even answer the work phone, and everyone at work who thinks you might have been at the event will simply be mistaken about your presence there. :43:

(As it happens, the after-event meal that will inevitably be had with the most excellent people who also just happened to be so sick that they couldn't answer their work phone will make possible a miraculous recovery for all, and it'll be back to work as usual the next day)


It's just amazing how many people get so horribly sick when you guys hold events like this. You should be ashamed of yourselves. :D

Liberty1
03-17-2011, 2:26 AM
Vids please :)

nicki
03-17-2011, 2:30 AM
Outstanding job, I really liked that sign, that looked really cool.

That might be something we may want to look into for ourselves for special occassions like Parades.

Nicki

SanPedroShooter
03-17-2011, 5:04 AM
Hey, Andrew are you gonna post a link to your photobucket account? I'm not in a single damn picture. Thats what you get for showing up at noon...

greasemonkey
03-17-2011, 5:17 AM
My wife wanted to go with me, yesterday was a day she could not get off of work.

Let me get this straight, CGF/SAF/CRPA are all making tangible changes & progress in CA on the 2A (and subsequently 1a/4a/5a & more) front, this event WAS those three .orgs joining together, this event was a VERY publicly planned event with open invitations to anyone willing to volunteer under the guidelines set by CGF/SAF/CRPA. I can think of 5 different threads and half dozen facebook posts inviting the public (even giving more than enough info for anti's to show up/infiltrate) and yet you're complaining that the .orgs are not working together?!?!

Why just try to make a name for yourself when you could show up to get involved with the groups that are making effective, tangible changes for the better? AB962, lead ammo bans, OLL roster, bullet button, CCW Initiative, handgun roster, "sensitive places" all come to mind.

Are there no women on CGN? I don't think I saw a single female in those pictures that was not holding a mic.

If we want to reach the masses, we need to look like them.

I think its high time people from CGF, 2AF, CRPA, and NRA sat down at the table with the growing OC groups in CA. If you look at our events, we have a much more representative mix of CA at our events on a regular basis. We'll be a lot more effective at securing our 2A rights together.

AJAX22
03-17-2011, 5:35 AM
Damn guys, now THAT is what a rally needs to look like to be taken seriously...

Suits, ties, collared shirts....

ANYONE can show up and look like rabble, but when you show up looking polished it sends the message: "We have talent, we have resources, and we are organized....."

The only thing in this world that causes people to take notice is a group who is well dressed, well organized, and well spoken.

Speaking from experience, if you can get a group of 3 people in suits together, there is no political office in the country who will not open their doors to you.

You scared the HELL out of our opposition today.

just because they didn't show up, doesn't mean they won't get the message.

Bobby Hated
03-17-2011, 5:41 AM
i do look nice in a suit dont i? haha

i wore a light colored suit and blue collar shirt on purpose.

Bobby Hated
03-17-2011, 5:47 AM
Are there no women on CGN? I don't think I saw a single female in those pictures that was not holding a mic.

If we want to reach the masses, we need to look like them.

I think its high time people from CGF, 2AF, CRPA, and NRA sat down at the table with the growing OC groups in CA. If you look at our events, we have a much more representative mix of CA at our events on a regular basis. We'll be a lot more effective at securing our 2A rights together.

well if you had been at the event in person, instead of just judging from pictures you saw posted at the event, you would have a seen a number of women in our midst.

youve been docked one point for not showing up, and docked one point for popping off on the internet, after not showing up.

hgreen -2 points

:nono:

SanPedroShooter
03-17-2011, 5:51 AM
Yup, I wore the suit I got married in...which happens to be the only one I own...

BanjoGunner
03-17-2011, 6:16 AM
Great job, thanks!

I found two of the signs ("Two ways to shield yourself from a violent attack..." and "Enemies of armed self-defense focus on the gun...) to be particularly compelling.

Soldier415
03-17-2011, 7:17 AM
Great presentation and inagery. Cant wait until you do an event like this in Norcal. I'll be there and i'll leave the chaps at home.

putput
03-17-2011, 7:29 AM
Nice work everyone. I wish I could have been there.

So now the MAIG crowd won't post their schedule for fear of being presented with a counter viewpoint.

This is what bullies do, get away with what they can while they can and run at the first sign of resistance.

Just getting them to go "underground" with their um, "media blitz" is a major win.

Again, nice work.


PS. That reporter is hawt.



Well, there's a teensy bit of history behind this.

When the MAIG truck had started touring the country, SAF and CCRKBA decided to follow them with the Guns Save Lives truck to counter the message. Well, after a couple stops, the Bloomberg folks decided that they didn't appreciate the competition for media coverage (and facts) and they decided to stop publishing their schedule. CCRKBA had to go it alone.

They did a couple of spots and then predicted the the MAIG guys would probably be coming to LA in the very near future. Mayor Villagairosa is a MAIG Mayor. LA is one of America's largest cities. It was only logical.

CCRKBA dispatched the truck to LA. They gave Gene Hoffman a call and asked if he'd speak to the media. He agreed and asked me to help. I figured that a press event with a lonely guy in front of a giant billboard would be boring. It needed some spice.

And that's how you ended up with a "rally".

It wasn't really planned as such, more as a backdrop to the billboard and Gene/CCRKBA's message of opposition to MAIG.

Cnynrat
03-17-2011, 7:54 AM
Great job everyone, I wish my work schedule would have allowed me to be there.

I love the imagery and messages on the signs - very compelling!

Pat Riot
03-17-2011, 9:05 AM
Im fairly new here, but I see a rift between the Open Carry people and the rest of CalGuns. It seems like the open carriers will do something and will be chastised by other members of calguns. Then those same members will go and do the same exact thing except without guns, and it is celebrated.

So I guess my question is, What is the difference between this event and the events that the Open Carry groups have been doing?

It just seems sad that both groups cannot work together.

Coded-Dude
03-17-2011, 9:17 AM
Note to self: whenever CGF and friends hold a major event and need people to show up, you are to suddenly be sick as a dog and laid up in bed so bad that you can't even answer the work phone, and everyone at work who thinks you might have been at the event will simply be mistaken about your presence there. :43:

(As it happens, the after-event meal that will inevitably be had with the most excellent people who also just happened to be so sick that they couldn't answer their work phone will make possible a miraculous recovery for all, and it'll be back to work as usual the next day)


It's just amazing how many people get so horribly sick when you guys hold events like this. You should be ashamed of yourselves. :D


that works great.....until your face ends up on the 10 o'clock news! :eek:

Caladain
03-17-2011, 9:30 AM
Im fairly new here, but I see a rift between the Open Carry people and the rest of CalGuns. It seems like the open carriers will do something and will be chastised by other members of calguns. Then those same members will go and do the same exact thing except without guns, and it is celebrated.

So I guess my question is, What is the difference between this event and the events that the Open Carry groups have been doing?

It just seems sad that both groups cannot work together.
Simplistically, the primary difference is:
Do you believe in playing short term, or long term?

CGF is playing for keeps. It may take 10 years, but in the end, we will win all the marbles. Think water erosion. And it's working.

OC wants to play *right now* and damn the problems. A right not exercised *today* is a right lost.

CGF is playing strategic..sometimes we want to go "under the radar" for a while, letting public opinion calm, and then attack again. Once we have iron clad caselaw, we win.

OC wants to educate the public directly. The problem with this isn't that the public shouldn't be educated. The timing just *sucks*. When this was brought to their attention, the general response (i can dig up posts if need be..been lurking for a long, long time, just starting to post) was...antagonistic.

jdberger
03-17-2011, 9:36 AM
Im fairly new here, but I see a rift between the Open Carry people and the rest of CalGuns. It seems like the open carriers will do something and will be chastised by other members of calguns. Then those same members will go and do the same exact thing except without guns, and it is celebrated.

So I guess my question is, What is the difference between this event and the events that the Open Carry groups have been doing?

It just seems sad that both groups cannot work together.

Think NAACP vs Black Panther Party.

The goals are pretty similar. Each are using methods trailblazed by others.

Which ones were effective?

trashman
03-17-2011, 10:42 AM
Awesome job, guys - way to get it done!

--Neill

rysmithjr
03-17-2011, 10:44 AM
Was there any press besides that one "Metro Networks" reporter?

AndrewMendez
03-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Ladies and gentleman, please keep the off topic and unproductive talk, in the off topic. As gun owners we need to stand together, regardless of age, sex, creed, or stance on open carry. If you are not with us, you are against us.
Thank you.


Brent, that's my personal photobucket account. Calguns had one, I just need to remember the pw and upload them onto there.

Andrew

oaklander
03-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Would that table be at a Starbucks in Orange County?

:D

Is it OK if we "CCW" at this meeting, instead of "UOC"ing - we prefer to actually be able to defend ourselves, and our families, without having to load the gun first. . .

Some of us have kids, and we also like the ability to drop the kids off at school, without having to lock up our "self-defense arms" first. . .

But I guess when folks UOC, it isn't really about self-defense, is it?

And I guess to each his own, and I imagine that there is a "place" for the UOC movement. Unfortunately that place would appear to be Starbucks, at this point.

Are there no women on CGN? I don't think I saw a single female in those pictures that was not holding a mic.

If we want to reach the masses, we need to look like them.

I think its high time people from CGF, 2AF, CRPA, and NRA sat down at the table with the growing OC groups in CA. If you look at our events, we have a much more representative mix of CA at our events on a regular basis. We'll be a lot more effective at securing our 2A rights together.

oaklander
03-17-2011, 12:33 PM
One of them isn't really a "group."

You are comparing apples to rocks.

Im fairly new here, but I see a rift between the Open Carry people and the rest of CalGuns. It seems like the open carriers will do something and will be chastised by other members of calguns. Then those same members will go and do the same exact thing except without guns, and it is celebrated.

So I guess my question is, What is the difference between this event and the events that the Open Carry groups have been doing?

It just seems sad that both groups cannot work together.

oaklander
03-17-2011, 12:39 PM
Brandon,

I was actually laughing out loud when I started reading these "please let us sit with the grownups" posts.

THEY WERE ALL INVITED. . .

In fact, UOC'ers are not excluded from anything. The problem is that there are simply places that (a) you simply CAN'T UOC (like in this part of downtown LA), and (b) there are certain events in which UOC is not the whole event. . .

I've had leading UOC folks over at my house in Oakland, and they are fine folks - but their movement seems to contain SOME people who are so focused on carrying around empty guns, that they forget that there is more work to be done than simply meeting up for coffee. . .

This is the reason that some UOC groups are not taken seriously, and it is nice when that reason unfolds in real time. . .

The total and utter complete lack of political awareness shown by the "can we sit at the big table?" posts is utterly fascinating, and sad. . .

But it's kind of interesting, and I am sure we will see more of this. . .

EDIT: let me explain this further for the new folks who do not know how things work. . .

In the gun rights "fight" - there are something like 150 different "fronts" that we work on (CCW, OLLs, general laws, federal laws, state laws, local zoning issues, local laws, FFL issues, C&R issues, NFA stuff, public perception, politics, local politics, outreach, lead ammo, shooting range closures, etc., etc.)

SOME (not all) UOC people have the single and simplistic idea that walking around with an unloaded gun is going to somehow "make" all of the above stuff happen. It's like the "magical thinking" that you see with small children. An example is a 3 year old who thinks that if he wishes hard enough, "Spongebob" will actually come to his 4th birthday party. IT IS NOT BASED ON REALITY.

We would LOVE for UOC folks to get more involved in gun rights - but they need to start helping with the other 149 things we are working on.

I'm not sure even I fully appreciate the irony of SAF/CGF/CRPA being chastised by South Bay (Unloaded) Open Carry for not representing the public at large, and more, for not looking like them.

M. D. Van Norman
03-17-2011, 12:43 PM
As I’ve said before, revolutions are tough to manage.

Steyr_223
03-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Great job folks! I feel like a lesser man for not being there..Carry on!

oaklander
03-17-2011, 1:08 PM
I like the word "revolution" - but what we are all doing in California is a little different. . .

What is happening is more like a coup. . .

:D

We are taking back something that was taken from us. We are not revolting, since we were never subjugated. We are simply assuming control of something that we should have retained control over.

It's a subtle difference, but if you internalize the subtleties, it helps you understand the dynamics here.

As I’ve said before, revolutions are tough to manage.

M. D. Van Norman
03-17-2011, 1:18 PM
I see it as a period of revolutionary change. After decades of loss and lowered expectations, the tide has turned. Victories have been fairly steady for several years now, and expectations are rising … with all the danger that entails.

This is nationwide, not just in California, though the differences of opinion between the “right people,” the unloaded-carry folks, and even the old-guard leadership are an example of this phenomenon.

coma13
03-17-2011, 1:24 PM
Congratulations folks! That is a wonderful presentation and completely fitting for the venue you were in. If you are ever in need of wild looking, long haired, heavily tattooed, black clad weirdos, let me know! In the meantime I will continue to support from outside field of view of the public.

ALSystems
03-17-2011, 1:46 PM
It was a good turnout including me in a suit. I hope it did some good.

It was probably expected that the Los Angeles Times would ignore this event. :shrug: After all, it held directly outside their 'Special Events Office' of the Los Angeles Times Building. They were probably too busy on their lunch break or maybe some breaking event at the local grade school. :D Does anyone know what discussion about this event was going on inside their office?

N6ATF
03-17-2011, 1:54 PM
"If it doesn't bleed, it doesn't lead. Screw those anti-criminal bastards."

oaklander
03-17-2011, 1:55 PM
Agreed!

I see it as a period of revolutionary change. After decades of loss and lowered expectations, the tide has turned. Victories have been fairly steady for several years now, and expectations are rising … with all the danger that entails.

This is nationwide, not just in California, though the differences of opinion between the “right people,” the unloaded-carry folks, and even the old-guard leadership are an example of this phenomenon.

oaklander
03-17-2011, 2:01 PM
You should check out some of the threads in the "off-topic" forum. . .

Things like "show us your tattoos," and "what kind of heavy metal do you like?" come to mind!!!!

TRUST ME - we are a LOT more diverse than even WE think we are. . .

Please come to every event that you can come to. If it's just us - just be you. If it's something for the media, etc. . . then just dress up a little.

BUT only a little - dress however makes you comfortable. . .

I wore my best Wal*Mart jeans and showed up with a cowboy hat I bought on East 14th in Oakland. We don't discriminate on appearance - otherwise they would have kicked my azz out a long time ago!!!!!!!

:cool:

Congratulations folks! That is a wonderful presentation and completely fitting for the venue you were in. If you are ever in need of wild looking, long haired, heavily tattooed, black clad weirdos, let me know! In the meantime I will continue to support from outside field of view of the public.

nick
03-17-2011, 2:31 PM
You should check out some of the threads in the "off-topic" forum. . .

Things like "show us your tattoos," and "what kind of heavy metal do you like?" come to mind!!!!

TRUST ME - we are a LOT more diverse than even WE think we are. . .

Please come to every event that you can come to. If it's just us - just be you. If it's something for the media, etc. . . then just dress up a little.

BUT only a little - dress however makes you comfortable. . .

I wore my best Wal*Mart jeans and showed up with a cowboy hat I bought on East 14th in Oakland. We don't discriminate on appearance - otherwise they would have kicked my azz out a long time ago!!!!!!!

:cool:

It was being discussed. However, it was decided that the scene and potential casualties this would cause outweighed the benefits of kicking you out... Besides, you had a backup :p

oaklander
03-17-2011, 2:43 PM
LOL - PICS coming!

It was being discussed. However, it was decided that the scene and potential casualties this would cause outweighed the benefits of kicking you out... Besides, you had a backup :p

jdberger
03-17-2011, 2:43 PM
Honestly, let's not get into another skirmish about political UOC.

Please?

I realize that we all have some strong opinions here, but it's unproductive.

A long time ago, a friend involved in politics told me, "Politics ends at the water's edge." It was a simplification of a quote by Senator Arthur Vandenberg regarding American foreign policy (http://www.bartleby.com/73/634.html):

To me, "bipartisan foreign policy" means a mutual effort, under our indispensable two-party system, to unite our official voice at the water's edge so that America speaks with maximum authority against those who would divide and conquer us and the free world. ...

We know that, divided, gun rights activists are weaker than if we were to stand together. We know that the Antis revel in our divisive battles. We've seen how the Antis have managed to split off groups of gun owners to make us weaker. Special privileges for LEOs. Sporting purposes for firearms. Exemptions for Olympians. Hunters vs. 3 Gunners. Zumbo, etc.

Why make it easier for Mayor Bloomberg and Paul Helmke and Josh Sugarmann to divide our ranks and conquer us?

Especially now. Now that we're finally winnning?

It's unproductive. And it's stupid. And I'm guilty, too.

Let's knock it off.

oaklander
03-17-2011, 3:21 PM
EVERYONE!

We all "fit in." Please come, even if you think you are not "mainstream."

Here's one of my tats. We are a diverse group, us gun owners. . .

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2nuqhs0.jpg

Here's me kissing up to the folks who do WAY MORE than I do. . . They don't seem to care that I wear cowboy boots and/or azzless chaps.

Me, Dart, and Gene (CGF). . .

http://oi52.tinypic.com/15hiscj.jpg

Me and John Fields (CRPA) and Andrew. Despite my strange grin, my right hand was not touching anything that was not appropriate.

http://oi56.tinypic.com/1h88ph.jpg

Me, hair, chaps, Harley, and Brandon (CGF)

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2euj4lf.jpg

EDIT: ALSO - JD is totally right. I do not personally dislike OC folks - like I've said before, the ones I know are pretty cool. AND - I generally support the ideas that they support. I disagree on some things too, and I admit that. That being said, we work much better when we work together. PLEASE, OC people - we value your support - please help us out on these events.

ALSO ALSO - the stuff that Brandon is talking about (CRPA outreach) is going to be some "good stuff" - and it will be EVEN better if we can get the OC folks to help us with it. SO - please - as much as I may vent now and then - I don't actually hold any grudges. Most of us don't - and I know that you OC folks don't either.

I know in my heart that most of you would have a lot of fun if you sat down with us and had a beer!

We did this a while back in Oakland, and it was a blast. If we start hanging out together more - then maybe we can figure out more common ground. BUT PLEASE - don't threadcrap on these events. AND I'll try and make sure I shut my pie hole more often too.

Anchors
03-17-2011, 3:48 PM
Awesome LEOs.
Wish I could have attended. My boss decided I was working yesterday haha.

Good job guys!

SierraApril
03-17-2011, 4:00 PM
I know I'm a little late with my photos, but Oak and I traveled most of the way back north this morning, and it took me this long to get to my computer.

Yesterday was amazing! Great job Andrew and Gene and JD and everyone else who pulled this together in such a short amount of time. I'm sorry for all those who were sick, stuck at work, or too far away to make it, because it was so fun and exciting to be there and participate.

It was very cool to see a few familiar faces (Edsel, you looked so spiffy!) and to meet a bunch of new people, particularly "Mrs. Wizard" and the very nice guys who also showed up early to be part of the parking spot reserving crew. My only regret is that I was too sleep-deprived to remember the names of even half of the people I got to meet. I'm pretty new to this forum, and to the fight for our 2A rights, but I plan to attend as many such events as possible and to contribute to the cause in any other ways I can. What an honor to be associated with such a quality group of people doing such vital work!!

Here are a few of the pics I took (and sorry if some of them duplicate ones that others have already posted).

http://oi53.tinypic.com/15nonlx.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/15cls86.jpg

I'm apparently having some technical difficulties that I need to work out and will post a few more later this evening...

oaklander
03-17-2011, 4:08 PM
Yes, they were very friendly and professional. . .

And I'm not just saying that - in fact:

They were actually giving us suggestions to make our rally better. The Sergeant's point was that people on the street could not see us, since we were all crowded behind the truck. . .

I seem to recall mentioning to him that we were kind of new at this kind of stuff, and thanking him for the advice!!!!

They were probably not used to dealing with assemblies of law-abiding folks like us.

:D

LAPD paid a visit half way thru, after recieving a 911 call. I talked to one of their Sergent's for several minutes. I briefly explained what we were doing, and he responded by telling us to walk up and down the street, to get more exposure from both sides of the street. :D.

Super Spy
03-17-2011, 4:31 PM
Great Job Guys! Keep up the good work! The signs were convincing. Let me know when we want to do one of these up North.

Pig Rifle
03-17-2011, 5:16 PM
There was at least one member of SBOC present at this event, who BTW had no problems showing support for our cause with fellow Calgunners. Yes, OC was not possible due to GFSZ, and the LAPD HQ being 1 block away. From the postings I've read by the organizers of this event, I gather that this event needed to be in a certain location to be effective. So no, it wasn't an OC event but it WAS a pro-2A event!

@ hgreen: C'mon Harley, same team man! Why are you so dang crabby about this particular event?

navyinrwanda
03-17-2011, 5:24 PM
Does anyone have any links to any media coverage?

puppy8a9
03-17-2011, 5:34 PM
Thanks Pat, I do agree that we should be working together instead of commonly allowing rumors divide the groups. Ever hear of divide and concur? I came into a rift between groups and many times have been a target. Trying to not give up on any group has been a challenge for me but I saw the rumors being told in the halls at the capitol against NRA and CGF, difference is I verified even though once I was pretty upset.

The protests we started last Saturday will continue here in Northern CA and it is a combo of people, not just open carry. I used many of Oleg Volk's images which I have full permission to use. Each week we hope to gain more people and ground. My experience is the community is vocally supportive of 2A rights and my feelings are the more people who know, the better the fight on our side. You will not see the anti's groups divided like us and we have much stronger personalities. Let's change some minds and gather some fighters on our side along the way.

I may have a problem with one or two people on the forums, but will not allow that to detour me or discourage others. Conflicts have driven some good people and fighters away. All our guns and efforts should be pointed the same way which is the battles that need won, not creating new conflicts.

Im fairly new here, but I see a rift between the Open Carry people and the rest of CalGuns. It seems like the open carriers will do something and will be chastised by other members of calguns. Then those same members will go and do the same exact thing except without guns, and it is celebrated.

So I guess my question is, What is the difference between this event and the events that the Open Carry groups have been doing?

It just seems sad that both groups cannot work together.

puppy8a9
03-17-2011, 5:43 PM
Great Job Guys! Keep up the good work! The signs were convincing. Let me know when we want to do one of these up North.

Though it would be better together with more than 2 gun groups and the open carry groups we have started a similar protest with positive responses.

www.ca2a.us

Started last week:
Time
Saturday, March 19 · 1:00pm - 3:00pm
Location
Milpitas, CA at the intersection of Calaveras and Milpitas Blvd

More Info
Are you sick of having your rights constantly being infringed? This is your chance to stand up and tell the state "NO!". These are our constitutional rights and we will not allow legislation that denies us access to any part of our rights afforded to us by the United States Constitution.

We will be marching one city a week until we reach the state Capitol

This event is for all those who value your 1st and 2nd amendment rights. Anybody willing to contribute to protest signs will have website of their choice printed on the signs.

Location for 3/19 1pm will be in Milpitas at the intersection of Calaveras and Milpitas Blvd
Location for 3/26 1pm will be in Fremont @ intersection of Christy St. and Auto Mall Pkwy.
Location for 4/2 is Livermore @ intersection 1st Street and N. Mines
Location 4/9 will be in San Ramon off Bollinger Canyon TBA

ldivinag
03-17-2011, 6:06 PM
Location for 3/26 1pm will be in Fremont @ intersection of Christy St. and Auto Mall Pkwy.



you'd see more people if this was at mowry and fremont blvd...

jdberger
03-17-2011, 8:52 PM
Though it would be better together with more than 2 gun groups and the open carry groups we have started a similar protest with positive responses.


Thank you for the invitation, Puppy.

But, this isn't a similar "protest". It's very different from what we did in LA.

1) Our's wasn't a "protest". It was a rally in specific response to the MAIG truck.

2) All of our events are narrowly focused. They are 2A only. We don't incorporate other organizations into our events. We don't incorporate other causes into our events. Diluting our 2A message with signs incorporating tax grievances, complaints about the Federal Reserve or water rights suits us poorly.

3) Coordinating with different groups is great. However, our focus is narrowly gun rights. We can walk with the Pink Pistols, but only as a 2A organization. Other civil rights issues, though we may be sympathetic, aren't a factor - nor can they take center stage.

Simply put - though your protests sound great, and are probably great events to motivate rank and file, they risk diluting (oand possibly polluting) the core message of 2A rights.

kcbrown
03-17-2011, 9:36 PM
I must say, this rally looked like it was a lot of fun, and looked very well done. However, I do have a question or two...

Thank you for the invitation, Puppy.

But, this isn't a similar "protest". It's very different from what we did in LA.

1) Our's wasn't a "protest". It was a rally in specific response to the MAIG truck.


Except the MAIG truck apparently didn't show, right? So in effect, it's as if this was not in response to anything at all, right?

Look at this from the point of view of someone on the street who didn't know what to expect. This was a demonstration, a gathering of people to express a viewpoint. Yes, we know it was in response to an anticipated move by MAIG, but the onlookers didn't!

So that being the case, how can you legitimately claim, on the basis of the intended purpose of this rally, that its real effect is any different than would be a rally that was not intended to be any sort of specific response to MAIG, but which was otherwise done the same way?

Which is to say: how is the effect any different than it would have been had you held the very same rally at some other roughly equivalent place and time?



2) All of our events are narrowly focused. They are 2A only. We don't incorporate other organizations into our events. We don't incorporate other causes into our events. Diluting our 2A message with signs incorporating tax grievances, complaints about the Federal Reserve or water rights suits us poorly.
This is an extremely important point, and one that a lot of people don't get, I think. To be effective, the message has to be simple, easy to understand, consistent, and to the point. The message that was sent by this rally qualifies in all those respects, and is therefore well-conceived and well-executed.

goober
03-17-2011, 9:49 PM
...Ever hear of divide and concur?(sic)...

nap.
sandwich.
repeat.

hoffmang
03-17-2011, 10:05 PM
Except the MAIG truck apparently didn't show, right? So in effect, it's as if this was not in response to anything at all, right?

You assume our primary audience was the man on the street. That was the tertiary audience.

Let me help you figure out who the primary audience was. What data has stopped appearing on the MAIG site?

-Gene

puppy8a9
03-17-2011, 10:20 PM
Thank you for the invitation, Puppy.

But, this isn't a similar "protest". It's very different from what we did in LA.

1) Our's wasn't a "protest". It was a rally in specific response to the MAIG truck.

2) All of our events are narrowly focused. They are 2A only. We don't incorporate other organizations into our events. We don't incorporate other causes into our events. Diluting our 2A message with signs incorporating tax grievances, complaints about the Federal Reserve or water rights suits us poorly.

3) Coordinating with different groups is great. However, our focus is narrowly gun rights. We can walk with the Pink Pistols, but only as a 2A organization. Other civil rights issues, though we may be sympathetic, aren't a factor - nor can they take center stage.

.

Interestingly enough this is a 2A.

Tax, Water? Not sure where you got that idea here but not surprised. There are plenty of people who believe in the 1st amendment and the necessity of the 2nd amendment for protections under using 1st amendment. I have a few attorneys involved in the 2a groups who are concerned over some of these gun bills affecting 1st amendment rights. These rights are pretty closely tied. This is using the 1st amendment and iconic representation issues.

Rocket Man
03-17-2011, 10:21 PM
What data has stopped appearing on the MAIG site?

-Gene

Relevant data? Oh wait nothing is relevant on the MAIG site!:D

tboyer
03-17-2011, 10:25 PM
I hope some of the signs, can be used at
Pride Parades, hint....hint.

tboyer
03-17-2011, 10:32 PM
Great presentation and inagery. Cant wait until you do an event like this in Norcal. I'll be there and i'll leave the chaps at home.

Don't leave the chaps at home, the next event like this in Norcal,
will be the San Francisco Pride Parade (AKA Gay Parade)

kcbrown
03-17-2011, 10:36 PM
You assume our primary audience was the man on the street. That was the tertiary audience.

Let me help you figure out who the primary audience was. What data has stopped appearing on the MAIG site?


But that data stopped appearing on the MAIG site before this rally, no?

I must say, though, that I really do like the message that I believe you're talking about: "wherever you go to spread your BS, we'll be there to counter with the truth, and we'll do it better, too". :43:

That they removed the data in question from their site speaks volumes about their confidence (or, rather, lack thereof) in their own position.

FourTenJaeger
03-17-2011, 10:39 PM
Next time its in So-cal I'll try to drive out from Arizona, Perhaps the one on Fremont on the 26th. :) Same type of Attire? I would personally wear a sharp suit and get a nice haircut, Bring along the Friend in proper-Attire as well.

spgripside
03-17-2011, 10:46 PM
Thanks again to all who showed up. The signs, photos and all the work that went into that are to be commended. No @#$% it wasn't ever planned as an UOC event. I'm just happy I got to meet the folks I did. Let's do it again, and make it even better next time. Calgunners rock!

hoffmang
03-17-2011, 11:32 PM
But that data stopped appearing on the MAIG site before this rally, no?

But contracts for responses don't cancel themselves. However, you're catching my point.

-Gene

AndrewMendez
03-17-2011, 11:38 PM
Think of this event as a "NOT ONE INCH" response. As kc brown said, this was our response to their 34 number...who's to say they didn't plan on being in the same spot ??
The anti's not posting a schedule vs OUR event blasted on CalGuns, Facebook, Twitter and email with exact times, locations and game plan....just food for thought.

yellowfin
03-18-2011, 5:28 AM
Could someone send me the video of Gene's speech so I can post it on NYShooters? People there need to see this.

M. D. Van Norman
03-18-2011, 7:02 AM
aP8vXKWZDIM

Sorry for the lousy audio. I had to compress this down from almost 300 MB.

PatriotnMore
03-18-2011, 8:06 AM
Is it only me, or does Gene look like a cross between Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.:eek::)

Sorry Gene.

M. D. Van Norman
03-18-2011, 8:14 AM
Fighting the good fight can be very hard on a man. :D

robcoe
03-18-2011, 8:25 AM
Wish I could have gone, looks like it was fun.

Unfortunately we have a new guy at work and it's my job to train him and make sure he does not grab the wrong wire and kill himself.

Pat Riot
03-18-2011, 8:41 AM
It is interesting that the anti OC people talk about "not giving them an inch" yet seem almost in support of banning OC.

Also, were there any OC people at the LA event?

Both groups are powerful, and I have seen both deliver. I think instead of Obama's proposed middle ground between us and the antis, we need to find a middle ground within our own ranks.

BigFatGuy
03-18-2011, 8:58 AM
http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo119/bbiggs_/DSC_0483.jpg

I hate it when I show up to a party, and somebody else is wearing my beard. ;-)

Nice work, everybody! Sorry I couldn't be there.

rero360
03-18-2011, 9:51 AM
It is interesting that the anti OC people talk about "not giving them an inch" yet seem almost in support of banning OC.

Also, were there any OC people at the LA event?

Both groups are powerful, and I have seen both deliver. I think instead of Obama's proposed middle ground between us and the antis, we need to find a middle ground within our own ranks.

Its been discussed above, the location was within the 1000ft of numerous GFZs.

this was more long term, would you rather be able to carry a unloaded pistol on your hip out in the open yet have to worry about not being within 1000ft of any schools or would you rather be able to carry a loaded pistol and not have to worry about getting arrested just because you walked down the wrong side of the street and crossed into that imaginary 1000ft zone?

An unloaded gun is nothing more than a heavy expensive club.

AJAX22
03-18-2011, 10:50 AM
we need to invest in a lapel mike/transmiter,a PA system and a quiet generator for this type of things...

the freeway noise on that vid was really loud.

jdberger
03-18-2011, 11:02 AM
we need to invest in a lapel mike/transmiter,a PA system and a quiet generator for this type of things...

the freeway noise on that vid was really loud.

Excellent idea. I was just thinking the same thing.

What's a "quite generator". Is it like a cone of silence (http://www.wouldyoubelieve.com/cone.html)?

M. D. Van Norman
03-18-2011, 11:09 AM
A generator to run the PA system. ;)

yellowfin
03-18-2011, 11:23 AM
Any chance the sign truck can make it up here to upstate NY? We need it to be in Bloomberg's front yard to let him know we have him surrounded and his reign of terror is going to be brought to an end.

Librarian
03-18-2011, 11:31 AM
we need to invest in a lapel mike/transmiter,a PA system and a quiet generator for this type of things...

the freeway noise on that vid was really loud.

This one looks like fun: http://www.ampli.com/sw225-sw227.htm

I suppose there are others, but I think the $1k price point is about right.

wildhawker
03-18-2011, 11:53 AM
Honda makes a good little lightweight and semi-silent gen.

BigFatGuy
03-18-2011, 11:54 AM
For gatherings of this size, Guitar Center has several small guitar-oriented amps that can go battery powered, have a "clean" channel for vocal work, and generally work fairly well for something that most of your children could pick up and carry.

oaklander
03-18-2011, 1:01 PM
Exactly!

The way *we* are doing things (and by "we" I mean all of the various 2A groups in CA) - IS very much like chess.

The way that the anti-gunners are doing things - IS very much like checkers.

Sometimes some of us want to play checkers, but we have to remind them that we are really playing chess here. It's not as simple as making "one move" - like checkers. Here, we have to do things 20 or 30 moves ahead (like chess).

When both sides played checkers, we were losing. Now that we are actually playing a different game, we are now setting the rules - since we are better at chess than "they" are. . .

It is EPIC to watch them lose this ersatz "game." And many of them (1) don't realize that we are playing chess, and/or (2) can't actually play chess, since they are not as smart as we are. . .

:D

You assume our primary audience was the man on the street. That was the tertiary audience.
-Gene

Librarian
03-18-2011, 1:26 PM
Feh. Western-centric thought.

Try 'go'.

AJAX22
03-18-2011, 1:40 PM
We shouldn't discuss the types of mike/sound board we intend to use (amps are ok)

I know what I would do if I had intel on the radio frequency range my opposition was configured to use.

N6ATF
03-18-2011, 1:57 PM
FHSS!

p_shooter
03-18-2011, 2:49 PM
Great signs! That Take Back the Night sign gave me goosebumps.

Dreaded Claymore
03-18-2011, 3:12 PM
Oleg Volk for the epic win! :) I believe that he and his images will be a substantial part of winning back our rights.

Feh. Western-centric thought.

Try 'go'.

How about Homeworlds? (http://www.ginohn.com/wunder201005/games/Homeworlds/HomeworldsRules.html) Sure it's still Western, so sue me.

hgreen
03-18-2011, 3:47 PM
Its been discussed above, the location was within the 1000ft of numerous GFZs.

this was more long term, would you rather be able to carry a unloaded pistol on your hip out in the open yet have to worry about not being within 1000ft of any schools or would you rather be able to carry a loaded pistol and not have to worry about getting arrested just because you walked down the wrong side of the street and crossed into that imaginary 1000ft zone?

An unloaded gun is nothing more than a heavy expensive club.

Because there were no other locations in LA county not in GFZs?

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...
How much mainstream media coverage was there of the event? I have not seen a single news article about the event yet. Having a larger event in a non-VDZ would have had the potential to bring much more press coverage: http://southbayopencarry.org/press/ speaks to this very clearly.

As far as getting PA equipment, if you have amplified audio, you have to get a protest (or some other name for it) permit from the city, so more headache.

If that's something that would like to be done at future events in LA area, let SBOC know. We have members who are specialists that donate and setup A/V equipment whenever we need it at our events, we'd be happy to join pro-2A events held outside of VDZs.

ChuangTzu
03-18-2011, 3:55 PM
Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...

No it doesn't. It can send a variety of messages, or no message at all. Most people probably don't think about it. The ones that do, might conclude that the guns are concealed. And if they already know something about gun law in LA, they would know that is even unlikely, because of the 2a infringements which we're specifically against. Which of those is strange?

Why couldn't SBOC have shown up en masse without their UOCs? Do you guys never enter a GFZ on principle or something? I don't get it.

rero360
03-18-2011, 3:58 PM
Because there were no other locations in LA county not in GFZs?

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...
How much mainstream media coverage was there of the event? I have not seen a single news article about the event yet. Having a larger event in a non-VDZ would have had the potential to bring much more press coverage: http://southbayopencarry.org/press/ speaks to this very clearly.

As far as getting PA equipment, if you have amplified audio, you have to get a protest (or some other name for it) permit from the city, so more headache.

If that's something that would like to be done at future events in LA area, let SBOC know. We have members who are specialists that donate and setup A/V equipment whenever we need it at our events, we'd be happy to join pro-2A events held outside of VDZs.

Hey, I don't come up with the strategies, although I do understand the reasoning behind them and agree with them. I think by not having a bunch of guns present, at least visibly present is that it conveys that we're reasonable to the general public and not a bunch of maniacs. However as pointed out by the creators of this rally, the general public wasn't the target audience. The fact that the MAIG jokers no longer publish their schedule is proof that the rally worked.

N6ATF
03-18-2011, 4:08 PM
Retroactively?

curtisfong
03-18-2011, 4:14 PM
Because there were no other locations in LA county not in GFZs?


None in any population dense areas

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...

Ridiculous assertion.


http://southbayopencarry.org/press/ speaks to this very clearly.


I haven't seen that any public protests have had any effect other than negative (or none) so far, this one latest one in LA included, sadly (IMO). Still, the message *they* are conveying is more likely to have a positive effect. Casting it as a civil rights discussion is key if you expect to win in any population dense areas in CA. If you insist on making it partisan, you will lose every time where it matters in this state.


we'd be happy to join pro-2A events held outside of VDZs


Dumb policy, for the reasons outlined above.

oaklander
03-18-2011, 4:19 PM
I can work with this analogy too.

Some people think we play "Go" with a 9x9 grid.

The anti-gunners are playing with a 19x19 grid.

We are playing "Go" with a grid the size of California, at this point. . .

I'm pretty sure that most thought, when it comes to this type of thing is not even Western, setting aside the various analogies that are used. I am almost certain that the thought we are using (and I obviously can't speak for other people) IS based on the work of Sun Tzu.

But, if you want to get even more esoteric, your assumption that my analogy is "Western centric" is actually faulty, since the game "chess" is really this game: شَطْرَنْج

Must be a "slow" day at the "library?"

:43:

Feh. Western-centric thought.

Try 'go'.

oaklander
03-18-2011, 4:22 PM
You do realize that there are some people who legally carry guns that are loaded and hidden, correct?

If we take your logic to its silly end, then "hunter's rights" groups would have to walk around with deer carcasses every time they do anything political.

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a gun rights person shows up in a thread and can't seem to understand what is happening...

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...

FreshTapCoke
03-18-2011, 5:14 PM
If we take your logic to its silly end, then "hunter's rights" groups would have to walk around with deer carcasses every time they do anything political.


I sure as heck would NEVER show up to a pro-choice rally in that topsy-turvy world.

stix213
03-18-2011, 5:33 PM
If you show up at a gun rights rally with guns already at your hip, to the casual observer what additional rights are you supposedly seeking? You already have your gun with you. The casual observer will not understand the difference between UOC/LOC/LCC/LUCC

When you don't have your guns on you and complain about lack of gun rights, then you actually appear as if you have been deprived of your rights.

Librarian
03-18-2011, 5:35 PM
I can work with this analogy too.

Some people think we play "Go" with a 9x9 grid.

The anti-gunners are playing with a 19x19 grid.

We are playing "Go" with a grid the size of California, at this point. . .

I'm pretty sure that most thought, when it comes to this type of thing is not even Western, setting aside the various analogies that are used. I am almost certain that the thought we are using (and I obviously can't speak for other people) IS based on the work of Sun Tzu.

But, if you want to get even more esoteric, your assumption that my analogy is "Western centric" is actually faulty, since the game "chess" is really this game: شَطْرَنْج

Must be a "slow" day at the "library?"

:43:

That's west of 上海 and 東京 ...

More 'go' 'take and hold territory, convert the captured', which is why individual cases are just parts. There's no "one place to win and then we're done."

HowardW56
03-18-2011, 6:51 PM
This thread sure went to ****...

AndrewMendez
03-18-2011, 6:54 PM
Keep the thread on topic please, or I will ask it to be locked.

SimpleCountryActuary
03-18-2011, 7:16 PM
I like our truck. Almost as good as a bucket.

Seriously, the billboard has a good message. Hoffman needs amplification, although maybe you need a permit for that from each city/county/dump you use it in.

Kestryll
03-18-2011, 7:49 PM
Keep the thread on topic please, or I will ask it to be locked.

If I have to lock it due to trolling I'll ban the troll outright.

hoffmang
03-18-2011, 8:07 PM
Honda makes a good little lightweight and semi-silent gen.
I own that exact one and thought about bringing it, but flying in put a kibosh on the thought.

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...
My you're a one trick pony. You keep assuming no one was armed. I can guarantee you that there were multiple armed individuals there - and some of them even had loaded firearms! In a school zone!
I sure as heck would NEVER show up to a pro-choice rally in that topsy-turvy world.
You beat me to this observation. Along these lines, Do proponents of the death penalty need to bring smoking cadavers?

-Gene

HowardW56
03-18-2011, 8:09 PM
Do proponents of the death penalty need to bring smoking cadavers?

-Gene

:rofl2:

The Shadow
03-18-2011, 8:50 PM
Has anyone considered doing this as an "empty holster" protest ? I know they do it back east, so why not do it here ? Or is this one of those deals where we say "We don't roll like that" ?

$P-Ritch$
03-18-2011, 9:08 PM
Has anyone considered doing this as an "empty holster" protest ? I know they do it back east, so why not do it here ? Or is this one of those deals where we say "We don't roll like that" ?

IMHO, just being pleasant, professional and presentable would go a lot farther. I think it would look rather goofy with empty holsters walking around, or as I've heard before, sticking bananas or neon-colored squirt guns in them. In that case, I personally would find it harder to take that individual seriously compared to a knowledgeable and professional looking representative of the idea rather than the actual practice.

L84CABO
03-18-2011, 9:08 PM
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4404/pict0017mf.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/pict0017mf.jpg/)



Um...why is she carrying a watermelon? :rofl2:

Sorry...that just seems weird to me.

$P-Ritch$
03-18-2011, 9:13 PM
Um...why is she carrying a watermelon? :rofl2:

Sorry...that just seems weird to me.

I'm glad you said something, I've been wondering the same thing the last couple of days. The only thing I could think of is that it is comparable to carrying an infant child. That's my best guess at least.

All the other signs were awesome and a big :thumbsup: to all who were in attendance.

383green
03-18-2011, 9:51 PM
Um...why is she carrying a watermelon?

I'll tell you later. ;)

IrishPirate
03-18-2011, 10:02 PM
You SoCal guys have all the fun (and all the hot reporters :drool5:)

Thanks for making the event such a hit. If something gets organized in Sac I'd love to be a part of it.

GettoPhilosopher
03-18-2011, 10:21 PM
This one looks like fun: http://www.ampli.com/sw225-sw227.htm

I suppose there are others, but I think the $1k price point is about right.

No generator needed, get something like a Fender Passport (speakers/amp/battery pack built into one-three man-portable units).

SickofSoCal
03-18-2011, 10:38 PM
When's the next rally?

badreligion
03-19-2011, 12:23 AM
I had a great time at the Rally. It was great to meet everyone and spend the day among like minded people. Maybe we can get Gene to re-do his speach and someone can dub it over so everyone can enjoy his words.

I mentioned this to Gene but we should get some signs made in some other languages so that our message can get out to other segments of our society and show that the 2nd amendment is about all of us.

I showed this posting to my wife and she really connected with the signs. She is neutral with the entire gun 'thing' but after seeing the signs I think she is coming around more. I should have brought her to add some more 'color' and a female presence to the event. She will be at the next one.

Like many have said before I wish more people were able to attend but between this post and the other it is easy to see that each of us probably represented 5-10 other people who wanted to be there but couldn't.

We each have a role to play to ensure that our rights and freedoms are not infringed and those infringments that are inplace get torn down. Sometimes it takes a militant attitude, sometimes it takes sugar and honey, and sometimes we have to sue every m@#$%r f*&ker in the room. We all want the same thing, to enjoy our rights as we see fit.

As far as the next rally we should all be looking out for when certain 'groups' are having press meetings, speaking engagements and the such so that we may peacefully put out our own message. It doesn't take alot of people or a lot of planning to get the message out there. 2-3 people passing out truth flyers is all it takes to put out our message.

Oh and the 'Watermelon' is to show a pregenant woman not a pleasently plump woman. When you have kids you will understand.

jdberger
03-19-2011, 1:15 AM
I sure as heck would NEVER show up to a pro-choice rally in that topsy-turvy world.

Bueno.

Nurses without patients.

Librarians without books.

Longshoremen without cargo.

Air Traffic Controllers without airplanes.

Harley, you're being myopic and short sighted. You're doing your cause a disservice. You appear petulant and jealous.

You've been invited. The gracious thing to do is say, "Thank you." Not, "I really don't like the color of your drapes."

At this point, you're setting fire to the bridge.

Stop digging.

Eric Mayer
03-20-2011, 10:59 AM
Speaking of the signs...

I'd like to collect them from the couple of folks who have them and request that anyone wanting them for a large event (Pride Parades in Long Beach and San Francisco come to mind) contact me so we can plan a hand-off chain to your area (I can get them to Long Beach, I'm concerned about SFO).

Once again, props to ALL the folks who showed up and represented California Gun Owners in a professional, respectful manner.

Feel free to PM me.

Thanks!

Eric :cool:

tboyer
03-20-2011, 1:16 PM
Has anyone considered doing this as an "empty holster" protest ? I know they do it back east, so why not do it here ? Or is this one of those deals where we say "We don't roll like that" ?

At the San Francisco Gay Parade, most of us
wear empty holsters, and I have been
suggesting wearing a holster on each side,
so that both sides of the parade rout can see the
empty holster

The Gay Parade is a fun event, or at least fun for me,
so empty holsters, or holsters with bananas, are
appropriate.

Having a pro gun contingent in a gay parade is
an aspect of playing GO on a grid the size
of California, no strike that the size of the world.

Our gun rights will be that much safer when it
most of humanity excepts the 2nd amendment.

Both the NRA and the 2nd amendment foundation
have been making inroads in strengthening firearm
rights groups in other countries.

After all the anti-gun forces are trying to play GO
on a grid the size of the world

hoffmang
03-20-2011, 1:31 PM
At the San Francisco Gay Parade, most of us
wear empty holsters, and I have been
suggesting wearing a holster on each side,
so that both sides of the parade rout can see the
empty holster

To do this right it takes 3 holsters. Two are empty and one... well... isn't...

Licenses are fun :43:

-Gene

otalps
03-20-2011, 1:52 PM
Speaking of the signs...

I'd like to collect them from the couple of folks who have them and request that anyone wanting them for a large event (Pride Parades in Long Beach and San Francisco come to mind) contact me so we can plan a hand-off chain to your area (I can get them to Long Beach, I'm concerned about SFO).


I took them back with me from the restaurant, I think I have most of them.

jimx
03-20-2011, 2:25 PM
Is there any reason the signs were two handed?

oaklander
03-20-2011, 2:27 PM
I was going to say "4" but that would not be appropriate for reasons too numerous to list!

To do this right it takes 3 holsters. Two are empty and one... well... isn't...

Licenses are fun :43:

-Gene



Via Android. Excuse brevity.

oaklander
03-20-2011, 2:28 PM
Keeps them from getting bent on edges? just guessing!

Is there any reason the signs were two handed?



Via Android. Excuse brevity.

wildhawker
03-20-2011, 2:40 PM
LA has a sign specification. Structurally, the only way to comply and provide adequate integrity was to use 2 pieces of wood for larger signs.

AJAX22
03-20-2011, 2:44 PM
LA has a sign specification. Structurally, the only way to comply and provide adequate integrity was to use 2 pieces of wood for larger signs.

a sign specification? Really? thats insane.

AJAX22
03-20-2011, 2:50 PM
a sign specification? Really? thats insane.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11479


They really did it......

and it was upheld in the 9th...

oaklander
03-20-2011, 3:00 PM
I'm liking sonora even more at this point! this IS crazy!

a sign specification? Really? thats insane.



Via Android. Excuse brevity.

Which Way Out
03-20-2011, 3:16 PM
Gene and the gang.
Please keep us posted on any other events. I will be there anytime that I can. I am new to this world of gun rights only because I wasn't aware. Each day I learn more. My personal challenge to all CG members is to double the size of our group at each and every event set up by our organization.
Count me in.
Bill:patriot:

taperxz
03-20-2011, 3:18 PM
Because there were no other locations in LA county not in GFZs?

Seriously, it sends a very strange message to casual observers when a bunch of gun rights people show up without any guns...
How much mainstream media coverage was there of the event? I have not seen a single news article about the event yet. Having a larger event in a non-VDZ would have had the potential to bring much more press coverage: http://southbayopencarry.org/press/ speaks to this very clearly.

As far as getting PA equipment, if you have amplified audio, you have to get a protest (or some other name for it) permit from the city, so more headache.

If that's something that would like to be done at future events in LA area, let SBOC know. We have members who are specialists that donate and setup A/V equipment whenever we need it at our events, we'd be happy to join pro-2A events held outside of VDZs.

If you thought this was so ineffective, why do you seem to take it so personal? Do you feel like you need to be in the spot light of such and event?
I guess you would considering you like to show off your hardware in public for all to see yet somewhat useless in functionality;)

Thanks CGF for making a clear, precise message on a subject that matters to me and i fully support!

AndrewMendez
03-20-2011, 3:18 PM
a sign specification? Really? thats insane.

Per the city, they could not be more then a certain thickness because they were used as weapon. It has since saved 10000 kittens from death.

oaklander
03-20-2011, 3:21 PM
PS - I did see some blog posts - and press releases - but did we get any other press?

I'm curious whether my deviant desire to have my Dodge Dart appear on television actually worked!



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

oaklander
03-20-2011, 3:26 PM
I was taking to the reporter before Gene arrived (trying to keep her occupied and not really say anything substantive).

She asked me something and I said "well I don't the answer, but we can talk about my 1963 Dodge Dart. It's pretty awesome!"

:43:

PS - I did see some blog posts - and press releases - but did we get any other press?

I'm curious whether my deviant desire to have my Dodge Dart appear on television actually worked!



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

AndrewMendez
03-20-2011, 4:40 PM
Oak, your so damn funny.

Kid Stanislaus
03-20-2011, 4:44 PM
To do this right it takes 3 holsters. Two are empty and one... well... isn't... Licenses are fun :43: -Gene

There's definitely a sneaky side to you Gene!:D

Kid Stanislaus
03-20-2011, 4:46 PM
LA has a sign specification. Structurally, the only way to comply and provide adequate integrity was to use 2 pieces of wood for larger signs.

There's probably also an approved way to pass gas in LA!:eek:

Kid Stanislaus
03-20-2011, 4:49 PM
I'm liking sonora even more at this point! this IS crazy! Via Android. Excuse brevity.

Hell, even OAKDALE is starting to look good!:eek: (Did I actually say that?:D)

jimx
03-20-2011, 7:02 PM
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=11479


They really did it......

and it was upheld in the 9th...


I'm sorry I asked.

oaklander
03-20-2011, 8:58 PM
SierraApril says that too, but I think she means something else!

Oak, your so damn funny.



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

oaklander
03-21-2011, 8:55 AM
Or she means the same thing!

Either way it was a LOT of fun - and Andrew did an amazing job of organizing all of this on super short notice. We need more folks like him in norcal too!

Also we need to make clear that if someone wants to get involved the first step is to start showing up like Andrew did. There is no magic pill that turns you into an activist. Just show up and get your hands dirty.

That is how we all got started.

SierraApril says that too, but I think she means something else!



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

oaklander
03-21-2011, 8:57 AM
Oakdale has "The House of Beef." that is win in my book!

Hell, even OAKDALE is starting to look good!:eek: (Did I actually say that?:D)



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

jdberger
03-21-2011, 9:07 AM
Or she means the same thing!

Either way it was a LOT of fun - and Andrew did an amazing job of organizing all of this on super short notice. We need more folks like him in norcal too!

Also we need to make clear that if someone wants to get involved the first step is to start showing up like Andrew did. There is no magic pill that turns you into an activist. Just show up and get your hands dirty.

That is how we all got started.



We've got them. ;)

oaklander
03-21-2011, 9:16 AM
YES - but we hand them out to anyone who wants them. That makes us one of the most egalitarian political movements in recent history. Having been involved in other direct action movements - I can honestly say that gun rights is the most open and easy to get involved in.

It's very American that way!

We've got them. ;)



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

movie zombie
03-21-2011, 9:25 AM
1-very well done!
2-the group dressed to look good: good presentation=good marketing of the cause.
3-i really liked the emphasis on women defending themselves. the sign with the pregnant woman was well done.
4-actually, all the signs were well done. again, good presentation=good marketing.
5-that big sign on the truck: this sign could be passed on to another region/area to use for a public educational presentation. or perhaps a calguns roadtrip?
6-that this was pulled off in so little time and done so well is a credit to all involved.
7-thank you!

mz

goober
03-21-2011, 9:29 AM
1-very well done!
...
5-that big sign on the truck: this sign could be passed on to another region/area to use for a public educational presentation. or perhaps a calguns roadtrip?
...

mz

truck/big sign belongs to CCRKBA. they're using it all over the place, it's a direct counter to the MAIG truck-o-misinformation.

nick
03-21-2011, 9:30 AM
There's probably also an approved way to pass gas in LA!:eek:

No can do, it's strictly forbidden to pass gas in L.A. Methane is a greenhouse gas.

greasemonkey
03-21-2011, 9:58 AM
Exactly, I hope more and more people continue to see just how easy it is to show up and help out with a well-organized event...this stuff is fun even if it wasn't for a good cause(but it obviously is a good cause).

Or she means the same thing!

Either way it was a LOT of fun - and Andrew did an amazing job of organizing all of this on super short notice. We need more folks like him in norcal too!

Also we need to make clear that if someone wants to get involved the first step is to start showing up like Andrew did. There is no magic pill that turns you into an activist. Just show up and get your hands dirty.

That is how we all got started.





Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

G17GUY
03-21-2011, 6:12 PM
Oakdale has "The House of Beef." that is win in my book!



If you ever stop for Chinese food at the china house, get #9 hot braised chicken. Its awesome.

ALSystems
03-22-2011, 3:00 AM
No can do, it's strictly forbidden to pass gas in L.A. Methane is a greenhouse gas.
I guess that means you'll have to buy carbon credits to pass gas in CA. The way things work here, this might be serious.

SanPedroShooter
03-23-2011, 6:53 AM
Here's a couple of pics of me with Gene. Looking forward to the next LA event.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/gene.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/gene1.jpg

oaklander
03-23-2011, 8:34 AM
I'm bummed that nobody wanted to get their pic taken with me!

:-(

Eta: I was looking pretty crazy at that point with no sleep and coming off a seven hour drive in a 48 year old car. That may explain why the LAPD officers at the event were so polite to me when I talked to them.

Here's a couple of pics of me with Gene. Looking forward to the next LA event.

In all seriousness, LAPD was very professional and it was nice to be at a pro gun event in which law enforcement was not perceived by participants to be an adversary.

Much of this was due to the very professional way in which Andrew communicated with them. I know I keep saying this - but the entire event was done so perfectly that it should serve as a model for future similar events.
Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

jdberger
03-23-2011, 8:53 AM
I'm bummed that nobody wanted to get their pic taken with me!

:-(

Eta: I was looking pretty crazy at that point with no sleep and coming off a seven hour drive in a 48 year old car. That may explain why the LAPD officers at the event were so polite to me when I talked to them.


I'm gonna start callin' you "Twitchy".

Steyr_223
03-23-2011, 8:55 AM
Here's a couple of pics of me with Gene. Looking forward to the next LA event.

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/gene.jpg

http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/ad189/brentx39/gene1.jpg

Nice posters..However, it would more effective if a black person or a person of color held it..
The rallies seem to lack diversity is my only criticism.

greasemonkey
03-23-2011, 9:02 AM
Were you there? I recall seeing several hispanic and asian folks there, even a couple ladies. A hispanic actually was carrying that sign most of the time, too. *check the pictures again on Page 1.

Nice posters..However, it would more effective if a black person or a person of color held it..
The rallies seem to lack diversity is my only criticism.

oaklander
03-23-2011, 9:06 AM
Yes, we missed you! We even let normal people come to these events. They aren't as much fun as the diverse crowd that was actually there, but there is room in the movement for people who idealize a certain type of conformity.

Just "joshing" you! lol

Eta: as I pointed out last night in the Murphys thread - we are a "big tent" movement and although we like folks to dress up a bit at rallies - we welcome everyone - even 49 year-old lawyers.

;-)

I'm gonna start callin' you "Twitchy".



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

oaklander
03-23-2011, 9:10 AM
About 10 percent of the folks there were women and I would say that at some points about 30 to 40 percent of the attendees were non-white. Some people left before the group photos were taken.

Nice posters..However, it would more effective if a black person or a person of color held it..
The rallies seem to lack diversity is my only criticism.



Via Android. Excuse brevity. I'm a happy nerd.

SanPedroShooter
03-23-2011, 1:33 PM
I have a book called "Winning Through Intimidation" and it recommends you walk up to the most important person in the room and shake hands and introduce yourself. I also met Oaklander and John Fields from the CRPA among others, its nice to get out and meet the guys leading the charge.

The irony of Gene and I standing behind a sign with a message about "people of color" was not lost on me, but whatever... He was carrying it around, and I asked him if he minded taking a picture.

We were not the only two people there...

As far as LAPD, yeah they were fine, I showed up around noon and they where just chilling in a little group out of the way. Very professional, I didnt even think twice about them.

oaklander
03-23-2011, 6:31 PM
I've never read that book - but it makes sense!

It's always better to meet people like that - I learned that when I used to be a bouncer - it's better to know the potential troublemakers right at the start. . .

:D

You know - that's the thing about California gun rights events like this (and the upcoming ones) - they are fun - and we are enjoying being non-psychedelic merry pranksters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Pranksters).

It's not to say that the "anti's" concerns about crime, etc. are "not valid" - rather - the anti-gun people are very misdirected (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660). They also take themselves too seriously.

It shows in everything they do.

This creates opportunities for us. . .

More on this later. . .

;)


I have a book called "Winning Through Intimidation" and it recommends you walk up to the most important person in the room and shake hands and introduce yourself. I also met Oaklander and John Fields from the CRPA among others, its nice to get out and meet the guys leading the charge.

The irony of Gene and I standing behind a sign with a message about "people of color" was not lost on me, but whatever... He was carrying it around, and I asked him if he minded taking a picture.

We were not the only two people there...

As far as LAPD, yeah they were fine, I showed up around noon and they where just chilling in a little group out of the way. Very professional, I didnt even think twice about them.

navyinrwanda
03-24-2011, 2:32 AM
PS - I did see some blog posts - and press releases - but did we get any other press?


Nope.

No independent press coverage whatsoever (at least as far as I've been able to determine).

“If no one hears a tree falling in a forest, does it make a sound?” If the press doesn't report on a protest or demonstration, did it make any difference?

SanPedroShooter
03-24-2011, 4:36 AM
MAIG has at least changed there website and stopped posting there schedule... Because of us? Maybe, maybe not but at least we put some pressure on 'em.

SanPedroShooter
03-24-2011, 5:12 AM
I've never read that book - but it makes sense!

It's always better to meet people like that - I learned that when I used to be a bouncer - it's better to know the potential troublemakers right at the start. . .

:D

You know - that's the thing about California gun rights events like this (and the upcoming ones) - they are fun - and we are enjoying being non-psychedelic merry pranksters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Pranksters).

It's not to say that the "anti's" concerns about crime, etc. are "not valid" - rather - the anti-gun people are very misdirected (http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660). They also take themselves too seriously.

It shows in everything they do.

This creates opportunities for us. . .

More on this later. . .

;)

I wouldnt bother, if I remember it sucked, but that bit of advice always stood out in my mind. I like Saul Alinsky's idea of holding your enemy to his own impossibly high standard.


You know I read my copy of "Electric Koolaid Acid Test" till the covers fell off when I was a kid... I am big Tom Wolfe fan, of course I "graduated" into Hunter Thompson, he was a gun nut you know... He ran for sheriff of whatever county Aspen? is in... The account of his campaign is well worth the read. He almost won if I remember right. "Freak Power" was his slogan.

AndrewMendez
03-24-2011, 8:01 AM
Nope.

No independent press coverage whatsoever (at least as far as I've been able to determine).

“If no one hears a tree falling in a forest, does it make a sound?” If the press doesn't report on a protest or demonstration, did it make any difference?

Ever wonder why some threads in the 2a section have 500 views, but only five post? At the police Chiefs Symposium a few weeks back, one of the opponents knew very well about cgf efforts, and made a comment about it. I can assure you, the tree not only made a sound...it scared the **** out of all the animals in the area. ;)

AndrewMendez
03-24-2011, 8:03 AM
Oak, what the heck, I called you over and made you take a picture with me sitting on my lap....i mean.....the truck. As a matter a fact, you tagged me in it on fb.

nick
03-24-2011, 8:59 AM
Oak, what the heck, I called you over and made you take a picture with me sitting on my lap....i mean.....the truck. As a matter a fact, you tagged me in it on fb.

There there. I know it feels bad right now, but... Aww, what the hell, just take it to PMs, will ya :p

oaklander
03-24-2011, 9:35 AM
Yes - I was the least photogenic person in that photo. :(

I think the point (for those reading this thread) - is that we all had a LOT of fun - AND did a good thing - at the same time. . .


Oak, what the heck, I called you over and made you take a picture with me sitting on my lap....i mean.....the truck. As a matter a fact, you tagged me in it on fb.