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voiceofreason
03-05-2011, 3:44 PM
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/robert-farago/illinois-poised-for-concealed-carry-including-chicago/

CriticallyStressed
03-05-2011, 4:12 PM
Jaw dropping, if true.

Uriah02
03-05-2011, 4:23 PM
I'll beleive it when it is on more than a blog.

audiophil2
03-05-2011, 5:14 PM
HB148 and SB82

http://www.illinoiscarry.com/

Window_Seat
03-05-2011, 5:57 PM
It will be VERY INTERESTING to see how (former) King Daley responds to this.

ETA to add the bill info:

Bill Status for SB-82 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=82&GAID=11&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=54717&SessionID=84)

Bill Status for HB-148 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=148&GAID=11&SessionID=84&LegID=54713)

It looks like neither bill allows for reciprocity or OOS residents to carry. So far, in looking at the bills, the 2 still require a FOIC, so Mishaga would not be mooted if either of these 2 were to be passed as they are.

Erik.

GaryV
03-05-2011, 6:25 PM
It will be VERY INTERESTING to see how (former) King Daley responds to this.

Given that this is a "shall issue" law, I'd love to see his face if/when it passes. It would make it almost worth living in that state to be able to go up and show him my permit when it came through.

kermit315
03-05-2011, 7:17 PM
It will be VERY INTERESTING to see how (former) King Daley responds to this.

ETA to add the bill info:

Bill Status for SB-82 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=82&GAID=11&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=54717&SessionID=84)

Bill Status for HB-148 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocTypeID=HB&DocNum=148&GAID=11&SessionID=84&LegID=54713)

It looks like neither bill allows for reciprocity or OOS residents to carry. So far, in looking at the bills, the 2 still require a FOIC, so Mishaga would not be mooted if either of these 2 were to be passed as they are.

Erik.

baby steps, much as it is in California. We need to get our foot in the door, then blow it open.

Also, rumor has it that those arent going to be the final versions, depending on how far they make it this time. I am hearing that the end result will be very good, granted that is an arbitrary standpoint.

Another rumor is that madigan brought up exposing the FOID list as a sideline move to take the PR off of RTC. The major news outlets in Illinois have actually been warming up to RTC, including 1 or 2 in the chicago area.

There are also a number of other bills working their way through that will effectively give use preemption, without using the word preemption. Sort of a stick in the eye to chicago, and there usual attempts to 'opt out' of anything they dont like.

Kid Stanislaus
03-05-2011, 9:30 PM
If this happens Satan will be wearing a down jacket! And maybe velour underwear!!

voiceofreason
03-05-2011, 10:42 PM
Will Chicago beat Los Angeles to Shall Issue?

I would have figured Chicago to be the tougher nut to crack.

Or will NY or NJ pop up out of nowhere and steal the show?

Wisconsin seems to be doing nicely considering where it was just recently.

nicki
03-06-2011, 12:32 AM
Illonis would have to have politicians as "brain dead" as ours not to see the writing on the wall.

If they don't enact a "shall issue" CCW bill, they could find themselves in a situation of "No Permit required".

The fact is that to own a firearm in Illonis, you need a Firearms Owners ID card.

That FOID could be the key for a Federal Judge to say the ban on carry is unconstitutional.

If we got a pro gun Judge, he could give the people in Illonis "open carry" immediately as a right by court order and tell the legislature that he will give them X amount of days to get a shall issue system, and if they don't, they get concealed carry too.

What happens in Wisconsin could factor what happens in Illonis. The new Gov will sign a CCW bill for sure, but there is a push for Constitutional Carry.

Good news from the middle of the country.

Nicki

press1280
03-06-2011, 1:59 AM
There's a separate bill in IL that provides for IL to recognize ALL out of state permits, like Iowa. I don't have the bill number handy.

Hopalong
03-06-2011, 6:23 AM
"Living In The USA"

Window_Seat
03-06-2011, 7:32 AM
From Illinois Carry when I addressed them last night (03/05) in Email:

Me:Hello,

I am a member of Calguns in California, and I'm happy to see that Illinois Gun Owners are finally about to see an effort for REAL COMMON SENSE gun legislation, LOL!

I read the 2 bills, and it looks like neither bill allows for out-of-state (OOS) residents to carry concealed, nor does it allow any OOS resident to obtain a FOIC. Because of this, Mishaga v. Monken would not be mooted if either bill is passed as is.

Providing we see something like the Thune Amendment passed in this current Congress, we might not have to worry about that, but it would be nice if there was an amendment to this bill (if amendments are allowed in the Illinois Legislature) which would allow for OOS residents to carry in Illinois with a permit from any other state (eg; a California resident with a Utah permit, but not a California permit because CA does not issue).

Would your organization be able to ask the Legislators who have co-sponsored the bill, or the primary sponsors for such add-ons?

If that's not possible, I am still hopeful that one of these 2 bills are successfully passed.

Illinois Carry:Eric,

The language in the current bill is the language from a previous bill and is just a place holder. Hopefully the final language will be available when the bill is heard in committee on Tuesday. I doubt with the current political climate in Illinois we’ll have much luck getting reciprocity – at least to start with. We might be able to get OOS residents can obtain an IL license . . . but like you say if we can get even one of these bills passed we’ll still be ahead of no carry at all.

Either way, if this is passed, there won't be a donut hole to poke fun through anymore (which will obviously be a good thing). Hopefully Peterson & Mishaga (below) will be given a positive decision soon, or mooted by a Thune Amendment type in the Congress.

And speaking of Mishaga, there has been movement in the Archive docket (http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.ilcd.49772/gov.uscourts.ilcd.49772.docket.html): First amended complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief (http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.ilcd.49772/gov.uscourts.ilcd.49772.13.0.pdf)

And then there are 2 more, with no links or details.

Erik.