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1stLineGear
03-14-2010, 10:09 AM
http://ema.plutog.co.il/viewProduct.asp?ID=267&catID=376

EMA Tactical sells the RONI G1 which is NOT a firearm it just converts your pistol into an SBR. Yet there web site says.....

"This product converts a pistol into a short barreled rifle (SBR). SBR are regulated under the laws of the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). It is illegal to possess this product unless it is registered with Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives BATF&E (Form 1) or you are a Class 3 Dealer. It is illegal to transfer this product to anyone before they have registered this product with BATF&E."

http://www.mechtechsys.com/ Mech Tech systems also sell a kit which you can just order and have sent to your home that converts your pistol to a rifle. It is not illegal to posses it in Cali but...once you attach it is illegal. Though the RONI barrel is shorter than the Carbine Conversion unit (CCU) it still should not be considered a fire arm because it is just a kit. You fit the handgun inside the RONI.

Is EMA Tactical misinformed or am I missing something?

Check out the RONI g1 video on their website.

B Strong
03-14-2010, 11:56 AM
http://ema.plutog.co.il/viewProduct.asp?ID=267&catID=376

EMA Tactical sells the RONI G1 which is NOT a firearm it just converts your pistol into an SBR. Yet there web site says.....

"This product converts a pistol into a short barreled rifle (SBR). SBR are regulated under the laws of the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). It is illegal to possess this product unless it is registered with Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosives BATF&E (Form 1) or you are a Class 3 Dealer. It is illegal to transfer this product to anyone before they have registered this product with BATF&E."

http://www.mechtechsys.com/ Mech Tech systems also sell a kit which you can just order and have sent to your home that converts your pistol to a rifle. It is not illegal to posses it in Cali but...once you attach it is illegal. Though the RONI barrel is shorter than the Carbine Conversion unit (CCU) it still should not be considered a fire arm because it is just a kit. You fit the handgun inside the RONI.

Is EMA Tactical misinformed or am I missing something?

Check out the RONI g1 video on their website.

The Mechtech isn't an SBR, the RONI is.

The NFA and GCA and FOPA 86 includes "constructive possession" as a criminal charge, where California state law does not wrt firearms classifed as Assault Weapons.

1stLineGear
03-14-2010, 1:25 PM
The RONI G1 is not considered a gun by itself right? If it had a 16" barrel it would be good to go right? I still dont get why it is regulated when it is not a firearm alone.

Kharn
03-14-2010, 3:08 PM
The G1 uses your existing Glock receiver, so you would have to register your Glock as a short barreled rifle in order to use it with a <16" barrel. The Mechtech includes a >16" barrel so it is not an SBR when installed on your pistol.

nick
03-14-2010, 3:20 PM
I'm curious how "constructive possession" can be legal, but that's a whole other can of worms. Talk about thought crimes.

B Strong
03-14-2010, 3:51 PM
I'm curious how "constructive possession" can be legal, but that's a whole other can of worms. Talk about thought crimes.

There's no "thought" to it.

The feds, in their infinite wisdom, have decided that possession of a certain type of part, or materials to make a part, or the instructions to make a part along with the raw material to do so, constitutes a crime into and of itself.

The example that I've cited here many times is the case made against "Sendra" (Jerry Drasen) by ATF where they took uppers with a barrel shorter than 16" with a fixed muzzle device, broke off the muzzle device with a 4 foot long pipe wrench, and then prosecuted Drasen for selling unregistered SBR's:


http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of-appeals/F2/845/731/285272/

For the record, Sendra = Nesard = Model 1 Sales.

Sendra also made an appearance in the Waco case as a supplier of parts to Koresh.

racky
03-14-2010, 4:28 PM
this was posted earlier but.... what if someone wanted it for "airsoft"?

B Strong
03-14-2010, 4:54 PM
this was posted earlier but.... what if someone wanted it for "airsoft"?

If an item is registerable under the NFA, the intended use of the item does not change it's classification - you couldn't purchase a suppressor w/o a tax stamp because your intended use was an airsoft gun, or even for a simple static display w/o any firearm present.

oaklander
03-14-2010, 7:03 PM
EMA is located in Israel.

Quiet
03-14-2010, 7:16 PM
this was posted earlier but.... what if someone wanted it for "airsoft"?

And in the earlier post, the answer to that question was correctly posted.

You could own one, as long as you do not own or possess a firearm that can use it.



Also, in regards to the Mech-Tec CCU...
Once you install it, you make a rifle. If you want to legally convert it back to a handgun, you need to get BATFE approval for making a SBR, since you are now making a firearm from a rifle.

1JimMarch
03-14-2010, 9:28 PM
Once you install it, you make a rifle. If you want to legally convert it back to a handgun, you need to get BATFE approval for making a SBR, since you are now making a firearm from a rifle.

I know BATFEeediots are saying that, but if pressed in court I don't think they could get away with it.

They've had to back down once already with the Thompson Contender/Encore setups, where you can take the basic pistol grip, add a longer barrel and stock and make it a rifle, and then per a BATFE ruling you can swap it all back again. There's no reason the same logic in the ruling on the Thomson wouldn't also apply to the Mechtech or any other "quick detach" system of barrel/shoulderstock setups.

But it'll cost you big money to prove it.

If this ever shakes out in court, I suspect there'll be a difference between quick-detach barrel/stock setups and otherwise, and between cases where the guy who bought the handgun does the swapping around rather than a guy who bought it as a rifle.

The RONI is using the Glock's standard handgun-length magazine, shooting out of it through that way oversize (read: cosmetic only!) "flash suppressor".

swrdply400mrelay
08-31-2010, 6:44 PM
The Mechtech isn't an SBR, the RONI is.

The NFA and GCA and FOPA 86 includes "constructive possession" as a criminal charge, where California state law does not wrt firearms classifed as Assault Weapons.

So the RONI would be legal if you got it registered by the ATF?

Or is it still illegal in CA since it's a SBR?


http://www.ematactical.com/Filemanager/Productpics/roni_batfe_ltr-pg1.jpg


http://www.ematactical.com/Filemanager/Productpics/[1]roni_batfe__ltr-pg2.jpg



I assume the FAB Defense version is in the same boat as the RONI?

http://store.a51tactical.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3815&currency=USD