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angelinointexas
07-09-2017, 10:48 AM
This is a fact. Liberals are arming themselves and Liberal politicians are getting scared and trying to hide this as much as possible.

You know what this means? This means that a battered spouse is looking for better options. And no one is reaching out to them because of politics.


Yet, there is broader statistical evidence that liberals at least temporarily changed their views on guns. Gun sales in November right after the election rose most sharply in the most heavily Democratic states. Among the seven states (plus the District of Columbia) that the New York Times categorizes as consistently voting for Democrats, there was a 20.6% increase in background checks from October to November. By contrast, there was only a 4.5% increase among the 19 states that the Times labeled as consistently Republican.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/13/in-2017-women-and-minorities-are-buying-guns-heres-why.html

MJB
07-09-2017, 11:23 AM
My god that's a lot of stats

user120312
07-09-2017, 11:27 AM
Wild guess but they figure the crazy right-wingers are going to take up their hundreds of millions of arms and attack, well, everything left ;)

nick
07-09-2017, 12:12 PM
Using background checks as a measure is flawed, as there are many things affecting it that have nothing to do with increases or decreases in gun sales. For example, when Oregon and Washington implemented universal background checks, that led to NICS checks for the private party sales.

Another issue is that one has to look into the other causes too. For example, CA is a liberal state, yet we go through the panic buying way more often than the non-liberal states do, due to the constant stream of screwy new gun laws. Does this means that most guns in such panics are bought by liberals? Were any such laws passed in New York recently? Also, was the buying spree in NYC, or in upstate NY?

I'm not saying that liberals aren't buying guns, just that the stats in question aren't reliable, can have multiple other causes and different interpretations.

superdave50
07-09-2017, 12:16 PM
Yes, because conservatives don't live, work, and buy guns in liberal states...

artb
07-09-2017, 12:19 PM
Gotta love John R. Lott ... http://www.smileycons.com/img/classic/0192.gif

You know, in a brotherly way. ... :o

ja308
07-09-2017, 10:03 PM
If it's true that's not a good sign.
1st off liberals are mostly a " bunch of know it alls", so it's unlikely they get training which makes society more dangerous.

2nd it's a fact liberals are anti social with their graffiti,carving up public/private property such as mirrors. Given their anti social propensitys,having them armed is dangerous!

3rd liberals are violent ! Witness the attacks on conservatives,shutting down freeways,riots after sports victory's or losses,etc,etc,etc!

Let's hope the OPs premise is wrong,for all our sakes and that liberals are not buying guns.

angelinointexas
07-09-2017, 10:07 PM
Another issue is that one has to look into the other causes too. For example, CA is a liberal state, yet we go through the panic buying way more often than the non-liberal states do, due to the constant stream of screwy new gun laws. Does this means that most guns in such panics are bought by liberals? Were any such laws passed in New York recently? Also, was the buying spree in NYC, or in upstate NY?


The article addresses that.

Excluding California, there was still a 13.1% increase in gun sales in the other heavily Democrat states and DC. This was still almost 3 times the increase in heavily Republican states.

Imagine how much more this would be if Liberal politicians weren't so against it.

angelinointexas
07-09-2017, 10:14 PM
Yes, because conservatives don't live, work, and buy guns in liberal states...

That's why there's a comparison of red vs. blue states during the same time frame.

ScottsBad
07-09-2017, 10:26 PM
I'm alright with this. Most likely the Libs will start shooting each other and that would be fine with me. Besides there are still millions more conservative gun owners than progressive gun owners.

angelinointexas
07-09-2017, 10:29 PM
I'm alright with this. Most likely the Libs will start shooting each other and that would be fine with me. Besides there are still millions more conservative gun owners than progressive gun owners.

If libs start shooting each other after legally owning guns, we're gonna have even less 2A rights bro.

ScottsBad
07-09-2017, 11:17 PM
If libs start shooting each other after legally owning guns, we're gonna have even less 2A rights bro.

No, we'll have fewer liberals to deal with. And the ones that will be left won't want to give up their guns. --- I was kidding anyway.

k1dude
07-10-2017, 12:05 AM
No, we'll have fewer liberals to deal with.

And each of those libs votes 5 times. Think of the next election cycle!

ScottsBad
07-10-2017, 12:37 AM
And each of those libs votes 5 times. Think of the next election cycle!

You have a point there....

huntsdog
07-10-2017, 1:49 AM
apparently only not in California but in Oregon too.

sarbiker
07-10-2017, 2:37 AM
If it's true that's not a good sign.
1st off liberals are mostly a " bunch of know it alls", so it's unlikely they get training which makes society more dangerous.

2nd it's a fact liberals are anti social with their graffiti,carving up public/private property such as mirrors. Given their anti social propensitys,having them armed is dangerous!

3rd liberals are violent ! Witness the attacks on conservatives,shutting down freeways,riots after sports victory's or losses,etc,etc,etc!

Let's hope the OPs premise is wrong,for all our sakes and that liberals are not buying guns.

I know liberals that own guns and voted for Prop 63. Just because they join the gun ownership ranks does not mean they are now pro 2A. They still say you don't need to own that AW even after I tell them it is a black sporting rifle not an AW.

JDay
07-10-2017, 6:47 AM
I know liberals that own guns and voted for Prop 63. Just because they join the gun ownership ranks does not mean they are now pro 2A. They still say you don't need to own that AW even after I tell them it is a black sporting rifle not an AW.
"it's because it's black isn't it? That's racist!"

njineermike
07-10-2017, 6:49 AM
Title is wrong. It should read "Liberal politicians are afraid of everything".

SWalt
07-10-2017, 7:36 AM
Interesting.........MSM and Academia conjure up a evil "Right Wing/Alt Right" who go about physically attacking minorities and LGBTQ en mass to the point they arm themselves. Gun ownership, doesn't look like they expected that!

Shovel
07-10-2017, 8:15 AM
I know a few liberals that have bought guns recently "for protection". It seems like some might now see it as "reasonable" to own a gun for protection only now that Trump is president while we are all still paranoid doomsday preppers. Hahaha. Seems pretty ironic to me.

Jimi Jah
07-10-2017, 8:23 AM
So a few libs buy some guns. There are more guns than libs in those other states.

slamfire1
07-10-2017, 8:26 AM
Politicians in general are afraid of the people they rule. All societal leaders want passive, submissive, obedient tax payers. When shearing the sheep, they don't want sheep that bite back.

HiND-SIGHT
07-10-2017, 9:22 AM
There's a difference between democrats, liberals and progressives.
A liberal probably wouldn't buy a gun.
A progressive regularly imagines everyone else wiped out.

Most comparisons for gun crime per political party include the sub sects under the parent party, instead of breaking it down.

Factor in all shootings and combined Democratic Party factions they are responsible for 68% of all murderers who used a gun. That they also regularly shoot (or bomb) more people at a time is not included in percentage of shooters.

Percentage of victims per party would be much higher, probably near 95%

One must however not attack the true blue democrats for this. The progressive socialists are radicals, and attack liberals and democrats alike.

OCEquestrian
07-10-2017, 10:43 AM
I am terrified of liberal buying guns. most liberals cant drive worth a damn.. and all the ones I have seen at the range are down right DANGEROUS to themselves and everyone around them with a gun in hand.

dfletcher
07-10-2017, 11:06 AM
Well, if liberals in liberal states bought guns just after the election of Donald Trump it would indicate displeasure at the result and one would suppose they're voting habits to remain unchanged. Their exposure to guns is fine, voting for guns would be better. Who knows if one follows the other ...

Shovel
07-10-2017, 11:58 AM
Well, if liberals in liberal states bought guns just after the election of Donald Trump it would indicate displeasure at the result and one would suppose they're voting habits to remain unchanged. Their exposure to guns is fine, voting for guns would be better. Who knows if one follows the other ...

I would agree with both of your points. California's higher rate of backround checks was probably also influenced by our impending ban as well.

I would be perfectly happy to take any of my liberal friends out to the range to show them proper gun safety.

God Bless America
07-10-2017, 2:20 PM
Wild guess but they figure the crazy right-wingers are going to take up their hundreds of millions of arms and attack, well, everything left ;)

Some do believe that, just like some right-wingers believe in FEMA camps and black helicopters and the door-to-door UN shock-troop gun grab which has yet to happen because it won't.

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 2:20 PM
I would be perfectly happy to take any of my liberal friends out to the range to show them proper gun safety.

Believe it or not, it was liberal friends who took me shooting for the first time. Many don't fit the mold.

Noble Cause
07-10-2017, 2:52 PM
Believe it or not, it was liberal friends who took me shooting for the first time. Many don't fit the mold.

I'm Ok with a Pro-Gun Liberal.

Except if they are the "Big But" types, as in:

"I support the 2nd Amendment BUT <Insert Infringing Nonsense>

Or if they continue to Vote Democrat, the Party of Gun Control.


Noble

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 2:59 PM
I'm Ok with a Pro-Gun Liberal.

Except if they are the "Big But" types, as in:

"I support the 2nd Amendment BUT <Insert Infringing Nonsense>

Or if they continue to Vote Democrat, the Party of Gun Control.


Noble

Yes, most liberals I know all support the 2nd Amendment. And yes, they aren't the extreme liberals.

Unfortunately, the GOP lost CA ever since Prop 187. Historically, California has stripped gun rights based on ethnicity (even if you are US born), so Prop 187 is a real deal breaker.

ja308
07-10-2017, 3:52 PM
Yes, most liberals I know all support the 2nd Amendment. And yes, they aren't the extreme liberals.

Unfortunately, the GOP lost CA ever since Prop 187. Historically, California has stripped gun rights based on ethnicity (even if you are US born), so Prop 187 is a real deal breaker.

Do you have a link for your assertion 187 is what caused the GOP to the "deal "breaker as you posted ?

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 4:04 PM
Do you have a link for your assertion 187 is what caused the GOP to the "deal "breaker as you posted ?

I remember this in the 90s. It did change the image of the GOP. Before this, politics seemed to be more about just taxes.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-09/local/me-48317_1_asian-american-organizations

SWalt
07-10-2017, 4:33 PM
I remember this in the 90s. It did change the image of the GOP. Before this, politics seemed to be more about just taxes.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-09/local/me-48317_1_asian-american-organizations

Don't you find it a bit queer that the article you cite shows a split between immigrant/minority groups? That there were immigrants/minorities that were for 187 for the same reasons as Conservative Republicans?

I'll submit to you that the flood of illegals picked up more steam after the Courts rejected 187 and that flooding diluted the GOP's base. Immigrants overwhelmingly vote D and since today CA's population is fully 1/3 1st/2nd gen immigrant its the change in culture that dominates CA politics today. Its not people switched sides en mass to D, R was diluted.

Vacaville
07-10-2017, 4:37 PM
I'm sure California is skewing those statistics quite a bit, and it's not because of Trump. It's because of Gunmageddon.

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 4:37 PM
Don't you find it a bit queer that the article you cite shows a split between immigrant/minority groups? That there were immigrants/minorities that were for 187 for the same reasons as Conservative Republicans?

I'll submit to you that the flood of illegals picked up more steam after the Courts rejected 187 and that flooding diluted the GOP's base. Immigrants overwhelmingly vote D and since today CA's population is fully 1/3 1st/2nd gen immigrant its the change in culture that dominates CA politics today. Its not people switched sides en mass to D, R was diluted.

Illegals can't vote. And immigrants vote GOP in higher percentages in TX compared to CA. TX hasn't had a Prop 187 moment.

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 4:39 PM
I'm sure California is skewing those statistics quite a bit, and it's not because of Trump. It's because of Gunmageddon.

Yup. You're right. But even taking CA out of the numbers, the increase is there.


Excluding California, there was still a 13.1% increase in gun sales in the other heavily Democrat states and DC. This was still almost 3 times the increase in heavily Republican states.

(same link)

Vacaville
07-10-2017, 4:45 PM
Maybe people are finally waking up to the fact that LEOs only get there after stuff goes down. No one's gonna protect you but yourself.

ap3572001
07-10-2017, 5:19 PM
I am not surprised a bit. I live in Bay Area for many years now. I know several VERY liberal people who recently started asking my opinion regarding Glocks , SKS rifles, shotguns etc. One young lady who DEFINATELY was anti gun , recently told me that 2 Glocks is enough and what do I think about Ruger SP101.......... By the way , she can shoot those Glocks very well. Interesting times we're living in now

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 5:27 PM
I am not surprised a bit. I live in Bay Area for many years now. I know several VERY liberal people who recently started asking my opinion regarding Glocks , SKS rifles, shotguns etc. One young lady who DEFINATELY was anti gun , recently told me that 2 Glocks is enough and what do I think about Ruger SP101.......... By the way , she can shoot those Glocks very well. Interesting times we're living in now

Liberal gun owners are essentially independents now. It's like a room full of bacon, and the Dems and GOP don't have the keys to open the door.

Bacon is just sitting there.

SWalt
07-10-2017, 5:48 PM
Illegals can't vote. And immigrants vote GOP in higher percentages in TX compared to CA. TX hasn't had a Prop 187 moment.

TX still expects its citizens to pull themselves up by the boot straps, not passing out the goodies to who ever asks, different culture.

Voting? Please tell my former non citizen In Laws they can't vote. I'm pretty sure they will listen to you. Ohhh....you know a college ID is enough to register to vote and vote? Ohhh....how the California Dreamers love America! Free College and voting!

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 5:55 PM
Ohhh....you know a college ID is enough to register to vote and vote? Ohhh....how the California Dreamers love America! Free College and voting!

You need a SSN to register to vote dude. I know I needed an SSN to vote in TX.

http://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/where-to-get-an-application-2.html

chris
07-10-2017, 6:01 PM
There's a difference between democrats, liberals and progressives.
A liberal probably wouldn't buy a gun.
A progressive regularly imagines everyone else wiped out.

Most comparisons for gun crime per political party include the sub sects under the parent party, instead of breaking it down.

Factor in all shootings and combined Democratic Party factions they are responsible for 68% of all murderers who used a gun. That they also regularly shoot (or bomb) more people at a time is not included in percentage of shooters.

Percentage of victims per party would be much higher, probably near 95%

One must however not attack the true blue democrats for this. The progressive socialists are radicals, and attack liberals and democrats alike.

Until blue collar Democrats stop voting for anti gun Democrats they will be lumped in with the rest of them.

CAL.BAR
07-10-2017, 6:12 PM
As pointed out, the stats are misleading. Common logic follows: IF liberals are buying guns en masse and SINCE there are more liberals in CA than in any other state in the union, THEN it should follow that firearms ownership in CA MUST be rising. But it's not.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/

It's as low or lower than it has ever been, and the liberals keep passing anti-gun laws. SO - must follow that the stats are not correct.

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 6:31 PM
As pointed out, the stats are misleading. Common logic follows: IF liberals are buying guns en masse and SINCE there are more liberals in CA than in any other state in the union, THEN it should follow that firearms ownership in CA MUST be rising. But it's not.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/249740/percentage-of-households-in-the-united-states-owning-a-firearm/

It's as low or lower than it has ever been, and the liberals keep passing anti-gun laws. SO - must follow that the stats are not correct.

The data in your link is as of October 2016. The article in my OP is about after the Election.

SWalt
07-10-2017, 6:53 PM
You need a SSN to register to vote dude. I know I needed an SSN to vote in TX.

http://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/where-to-get-an-application-2.html

Look at what constitutes ID in CA. Got a health club card with photo, you're A OK to vote. How about a Student ID? Good to go! Utility bill? Step right up and pull that handle!! And please note..........

This section shall be liberally construed to permit voters and new registrants to cast a regular ballot. Any doubt as to the sufficiency of proof or a document presented shall be resolved in favor of permitting the voter or new registrant to cast a regular ballot.


http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/regulations/current-regulations/elections/help-america-vote-act-identification-standards/

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 7:01 PM
Look at what constitutes ID in CA. Got a health club card with photo, you're A OK to vote. How about a Student ID? Good to go! Utility bill? Step right up and pull that handle!! And please note..........



http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/regulations/current-regulations/elections/help-america-vote-act-identification-standards/

That's not registration to vote. That's ID once you already registered to vote. This is what it takes to actually register to vote in CA.

What You Will Need
To register online you will need

Your California driver license or California identification card number,
The last four digits of your social security number and
Your date of birth.
Your information will be provided to the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to retrieve a copy of your DMV signature.

If you do not have a California driver license or California identification card, you can still use this form to apply to register to vote by completing the online interview by 11:59:59 p.m. Pacific Time on the 15th calendar day before an election.

http://registertovote.ca.gov/

CAL.BAR
07-10-2017, 7:15 PM
The data in your link is as of October 2016. The article in my OP is about after the Election.

Yeah, still don't see any actual data to support that more CA's or liberals in general are buying guns.

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 7:18 PM
Yeah, still don't see any actual data to support that more CA's or liberals in general are buying guns.

It makes more sense than the alternative explanation. The alternative explanation would be that conservatives in blue states (outside of CA) are buying more guns than conservatives in red states after Trump was elected.

Occams Razor

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 7:21 PM
If you look at my sig, it actually shows that CCW/LTC permits are being issued at much greater growth rates to democrat demographics than republican ones in recent years. This is all in line with the current trends. Occams Razor

In other words, free unclaimed bacon.

robertkjjj
07-10-2017, 7:46 PM
My god that's a lot of stats

Go read his books.
Especially "More Guns, Less Crime".
He is HUGE on stats. You'll get "stat"-ed out of your mind.

chuckdc
07-10-2017, 8:19 PM
Illegals can't vote. And immigrants vote GOP in higher percentages in TX compared to CA. TX hasn't had a Prop 187 moment.

The culture in TX for Latinos (which are the largest immigrant group) is quite different than it is in California (in my experience). There are a number of factors which could explain this. First, is that they are generally coming from different regions in their original country. You dont see as many from Oaxaca, Michoacan, etc. here. We also get more non-Mexican Latinos here (El Salvador, Guatemala, etc). They are culturally quite different than the migrants coming to California. Another factor here is that the relations between Anglo Texans and Latino Texans have been better and with less tensions than in California. There are more "old" families that were here when Texas was part of Mexico, and they regard this as "home" and tend to go GOP AND pro-border enforcement. They exert influence on the new arrivals to be hard workers, etc, so as not to make them look bad. It's a pride thing. The newer arrivals tend to integrate faster here, partly from pressure and partly from the lower levels of assistance given to them by the taxpayers.

angelinointexas
07-10-2017, 8:35 PM
The culture in TX for Latinos (which are the largest immigrant group) is quite different than it is in California (in my experience). There are a number of factors which could explain this. First, is that they are generally coming from different regions in their original country. You dont see as many from Oaxaca, Michoacan, etc. here. We also get more non-Mexican Latinos here (El Salvador, Guatemala, etc). They are culturally quite different than the migrants coming to California. Another factor here is that the relations between Anglo Texans and Latino Texans have been better and with less tensions than in California. There are more "old" families that were here when Texas was part of Mexico, and they regard this as "home" and tend to go GOP AND pro-border enforcement. They exert influence on the new arrivals to be hard workers, etc, so as not to make them look bad. It's a pride thing. The newer arrivals tend to integrate faster here, partly from pressure and partly from the lower levels of assistance given to them by the taxpayers.

You got some good insight there from living in both areas. Thanks for your contribution and voice.

digelectric
07-11-2017, 11:12 AM
I don't care why I'm just glad more people now own property they don't want to let the government to take away. So it's good for the 2A.

angelinointexas
07-14-2017, 12:33 AM
I don't care why I'm just glad more people now own property they don't want to let the government to take away. So it's good for the 2A.
As burglaries are going up, more people are definitely learning more about 2A.

As long as we don't shoot the movement down because of narrow mindedness, we're in the right trajectory.

njineermike
07-14-2017, 6:34 AM
I don't care why I'm just glad more people now own property they don't want to let the government to take away. So it's good for the 2A.

People right here on this very forum who already had guns have admitted they don't really care if the government takes them or not. It's more than mere possession of the object itself, it's getting people to understand that this is a fundamental right worth fighting to protect. Its about getting people to realize this is as natural as the claws on a cat or the teeth on a wolf, and that they have a right given them by simply existing to use those claws and teeth in the form of a firearm to protect their lives and the lives of others when necessary.

angelinointexas
07-15-2017, 2:09 PM
People right here on this very forum who already had guns have admitted they don't really care if the government takes them or not. It's more than mere possession of the object itself, it's getting people to understand that this is a fundamental right worth fighting to protect. Its about getting people to realize this is as natural as the claws on a cat or the teeth on a wolf, and that they have a right given them by simply existing to use those claws and teeth in the form of a firearm to protect their lives and the lives of others when necessary.
The image of a gun owner in CA is either a gang banger who owns illegally or a hateful racist with assault weapons who owns guns legally.
The fact that police discourage firearm ownership in Californian big cities doesn't help either.

njineermike
07-15-2017, 2:23 PM
The image of a gun owner in CA is either a gang banger who owns illegally or a hateful racist with assault weapons who owns guns legally.
The fact that police discourage firearm ownership in Californian big cities doesn't help either.

That comment wasn't about outside imagery. While I agree those concepts hurt those in the middle, unless those INSIDE begin seeing the difference between a civil right and a hobby, things won't get better. You can't put put a wildfire if the people who should be carrying water buckets carry torches instead.

chead
07-15-2017, 3:03 PM
It's leftists, not Liberals. Liberals don't want us Leftists because we wouldn't elect Hillary for them. You wouldn't believe how many questions I've fielded to ex-Liberals and leftists about getting into a gun.

angelinointexas
07-15-2017, 3:18 PM
That comment wasn't about outside imagery. While I agree those concepts hurt those in the middle, unless those INSIDE begin seeing the difference between a civil right and a hobby, things won't get better. You can't put put a wildfire if the people who should be carrying water buckets carry torches instead.
How we change those torches to water buckets is different locally. For instance, many 2A advocated can't teach their parents about 2A, because let's face it. No one wants to attend a class taught by their child.

M60A1Rise
07-15-2017, 6:05 PM
Been a Democrat all my life and have owned guns most of it , I don't buy in a panic EVER. I own guns because I believe one day WE may have to use them and I want to be able to at least halfway protect my family if needed. I don't care one way or another if you lean Right or Left just leave me and mine alone.

Only reason I don't vote Republican is religion and all the crap thinking that goes along with it. Bottom line is everyone has their own deity and each group thinks theirs is the true one but children still get molested and people still get diseases. So think what you want but if you're a friend of mine and you need help don't matter how you vote i'll be there if you need me.

I am an ex-Marine and my unit always had a this mantra , "we will never fight for a flag , country or politics. We fight for the man next to , behind or in front of us.

MJB
07-15-2017, 7:03 PM
Thanks for your service


But I can hear doubt in your response on 2A

njineermike
07-16-2017, 7:36 AM
Thanks for your service


But I can hear doubt in your response on 2A

Living in CA and voting Democrat is not helping the 2A.

DEFCON ZERO
07-16-2017, 9:01 AM
This is a fact. Liberals are arming themselves and Liberal politicians are getting scared and trying to hide this as much as possible.

You know what this means? This means that a battered spouse is looking for better options. And no one is reaching out to them because of politics.




http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/13/in-2017-women-and-minorities-are-buying-guns-heres-why.html

I agree, and on a similar note, the Security (rent a cop, as well as CCTV, locks, etc) biz is booming, which is why I'm starting to dabble.

You see Rent-a-Cops in all sorts of places you never saw them before. Fast Food, schools, libraries, parking lots.

I walked through downtown Oakland the other day and I swear 1 out 3 people was a guard, mostly "urban youth" with shirts totally untucked.

Maybe its the new, softer, post-gang concept. "Ok, so you have no real skills, no ambition to get any, no future, but you still want to have some "turf" in a fairly expensive Real Estate market? OK, put on this shirt and stand over here, this is your new Turf, Um-Kay?"

Wiz-of-Awd
07-16-2017, 11:34 AM
I am an ex-Marine and my unit always had a this mantra , "we will never fight for a flag , country or politics. We fight for the man next to , behind or in front of us.

Which begs the question, why did you join in the first place?
:confused:

A.W.D.

M60A1Rise
07-16-2017, 6:39 PM
Thanks for your service


But I can hear doubt in your response on 2A

No doubt , it's about THE PEOPLE. Always has been and always will be , if you can't live among the people then all you have are words on paper if that makes sense? I will always be for the people who are with me , at the end of the day we're all different but you know what ? we're the same. Think about it.

It's the major divide among all tribes not being able to accept that someone may think just a little different than you. Downfall of most nations as well. No two men or women will ever always think alike.

M60A1Rise
07-16-2017, 6:49 PM
Which begs the question, why did you join in the first place?
:confused:

A.W.D.

Wanted to see the world , meet people different than me and was tired of a regular 9-5. It was the best thing I did at the time , learned some discipline , learned more about people good & bad and found out what people think the military is , it really isn't for some , heck for most if you ask them with some truth serum in em lol.

BUT for me it was a good thing , changed my life.