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newbie1234
02-17-2017, 1:09 PM
There are only two 1911 9mm on Roster and each around $1K. Turners has RIA 1911 .38Super for $430 (Feb 17-23). Need 1911 9mm barrel and 9mm magazine to convert to 1911 9mm. The barrel is about $75-$125 depend where you buy.
So a brand new 1911 9mm around $555 about half price.
Is this worth to do it ??? Need your Calguner advice's.

mag88
02-17-2017, 1:22 PM
IMO, yes it is absolutely worth it to do. I did the same with my RIA 38 Super. I bought the Armscor 9mm barrel with link and pin for about $75. Dropped in with no fitting. I still am using stock recoil spring and stock magazines, no 9mm magazine. After the first 100 rounds the gun has performed flawlessly using both 38 Super and 9mm. My setup is primarily 38 Super with 9mm used as a cheaper target practice option. If I were to do solely 9mm I would consider buying a 9mm magazine and probably a weaker recoil spring just to be sure it runs 100. Be aware though that the RIA is a base 1911, it has everything a standard GI 1911 has.

vpravada
02-17-2017, 7:31 PM
I might do that. Just need to find a barrel

newbie1234
02-17-2017, 7:42 PM
I might do that. Just need to find a barrel

https://advancedtactical.com/products/parts/1911-parts/Barrel-1911-FS-Std-9mm-with-Link

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/9mm1911barrel5roto.aspx

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rock-Island-Armory-1911-Full-Size-5-FS-Barrel-9mm-/262413693946?hash=item3d191333fa%3Ag%3Aw2cAAOSwubR XJRKo

If you want now, you have to use the Ebay . Or , shoot .38Super for awhile and wait for Advance Tactical , re stock the 9mm barrel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU9dwXRsKUg

ElvenSoul
02-17-2017, 7:44 PM
Now if you look you can find a Lady Smith :)

etwinam
02-17-2017, 7:47 PM
Ya while it is a cheap way to get a inexpensive 1911 in 9mm it is a cheap gun. The tolerances are loose and very basic. Not knocking it just saying it so you know. I would go play with a RIA 1911 at turners first. No frills but low cost. The SA comes with target sights and very tight tolerances, and it's Stainless! it really is a great weapon for the money.

JS41989
02-17-2017, 7:58 PM
Now if you look you can find a Lady Smith :)

I wish this didn't make me chuckle, but it did.

mtenenhaus
02-17-2017, 8:05 PM
i've had great luck with a factory SA 9mm 1911....its really a terrific pistol, great sights, fit and accuracy.

Interestingly i recently had the pleasure of shooting an incredibly accurate RIA...suprisingly accurate, not just for the price.

If you want to have some fun learning and need to keep costs down, i'd strongly advocate picking up the RIA and learn to fit a gunsmith fit barrel. An excellent option is the KART Easy Fit (also known as XACT fit) barrel.

ElvenSoul
02-17-2017, 8:15 PM
I wish this didn't make me chuckle, but it did.

Just because it does not say Lady Smith. Does not change the fact it's a Lady Smith.

https://youtu.be/-E22wCnV-xI

You can pick these up fairly cheap.

ElvenSoul
02-17-2017, 8:20 PM
Not a 1911

But you should be able to find one in CA on the cheap. Plus eats any 9mm round unlike a 1911 compact.

https://youtu.be/cVBSeHZqxEo

Find one of these moving to CA Threads and talk them into importing a few Remington R1 Enhanced 1911's.

meanrock
02-17-2017, 9:58 PM
Yes, it is totally worth it. It will function and break in like any other 1911, only complaint you are likely to have is the finish and sharp edges. Just so you can prepare- you will probably spend the money you save on parts anyway- everyone loves to trick out their 1911 :D

DueceMcGurk
02-17-2017, 11:12 PM
RIA 1911 FS 9mm barrels have been out of stock at ATI since December 2016. Not great business people. Same for RIA beavertails.

JTROKS
02-18-2017, 3:36 AM
Getting into shooting a 1911 in 9mm sounds excellent to me. Sounds like you a good plan to me.

caliberetta
02-18-2017, 5:19 AM
Of course it's worth it -- what other choice do you have to get the gun you want and $500 extra to style it the way you want? A custom 1911 is simply one of the best things a man can ever own.

I have a highly customized RIA whose quality and performance I appreciate equally to my Dan Wesson, and in fact more, because it's spec'd exactly the way I want it... and yet after all the work, I still spent less than the DW.

Good luck, post pics.

9mmContagion
02-18-2017, 5:53 AM
I have the SA Loaded 9 and love it.... but I've been contemplating this RIA setup lately to do another custom build. No doubt in my mind the build will be started in the next year. Don't hesitate, just go for it! But you're also going to be buying that SA Loaded eventually

LovingTheYear1911
02-18-2017, 7:08 AM
I had a RIA 38 Super that I put a 9mm barrel in from Sarco. I even used the 38 super mags and it worked just fine with 9mm. I've purchased 3 RIA's and although they are not tight or finished well, they work just fine. My Officer's RIA did have a poorly blended grip safety that would pinch and make the webbing on my hand bleed. I tried filing it down, but nothing worked. The other two RIA's had zero issues.

If you don't want to spend a lot, then yes get the RIA. If I were you, I'd spend a little more and get a SA 9mm. Better built, better fit, and better looking.

midvalleyshooter
02-18-2017, 7:43 AM
The guys saying the RIA is a very basic low budget pistol are correct. If you are happy with that then it is OK.

You might consider a single action 9mm CZ75. It is in the same price range, all steel and is going to be more accurate than a 9mm 1911 with a drop in barrel. Keep in mind the CZ75 was designed to be a 9mm and the 1911 was not. 9mm 1911's can sometimes be finicky feeding ammo.

Clixk here to see the CZ--> http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-b-sa-9mm-black-16-rd-mags/

morrcarr67
02-18-2017, 9:09 AM
Not a 1911

But you should be able to find one in CA on the cheap. Plus eats any 9mm round unlike a 1911 compact.

https://youtu.be/cVBSeHZqxEo

Find one of these moving to CA Threads and talk them into importing a few Remington R1 Enhanced 1911's.
I have the poor man's version of the 3913; the 908. I really like it.

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PachecoFTW
02-18-2017, 9:44 AM
Worth doing arguable, i bought one off a calgunner , RIA 38 super converted to 9mm, had good luck first 400 rounds or so then not so good.
I keep having failure to ejects but the gun is in great cond. As are the parts idk.
YMMV

deephouse
02-18-2017, 9:48 AM
Kinda wish I jumped on this bandwagon while SSE was still around. the EMP is 1911-ish?

JTROKS
02-18-2017, 9:51 AM
Worth doing arguable, i bought one off a calgunner , RIA 38 super converted to 9mm, had good luck first 400 rounds or so then not so good.
I keep having failure to ejects but the gun is in great cond. As are the parts idk.
YMMV

If the ejector isn't tuned for 9mm your extractor may not be doing its' job.

Robert1234
02-18-2017, 9:52 AM
Unless you want a GI type gun, you're going to be spending some money.

Gun: $430.00
Target sights, rear only: $70.00
Machining for rear sight: $125.00
Barrel: $125.00
BTGS: $40.00
Hammer (required when you switch to BTGS): $75.00
Recoat (will be required after modifying the slide for the sights and frame for BTGS): $125.00
Bushing (probably going to need it to make the new barrel lock up good in the front): $25.00
TOTAL to get to Springfield or Kimber specifications: $1015.00

Note: This does not include shipping, if you factor that in, you're probably paying more for your "custom" gun as an out of the box Springfield or Kimber.

When you factor in the costs, you see there is no savings over the cost of a Springfield or Kimber 9mm, but you get to have the gun done up how you want it. And you get the experience of doing the work, which I think is cool.

You won't have front cocking serrations, which is ok in my book, but some like them. If you want that option, add another $100.00 to the totals above. And since you're going all-out, may as well add the $60.00 to have the frame cut for a ramped barrel.

Make sure you get a RIA with good slide to frame fit. The ones I've handled lately have been very good in this regard. Springfield is hit and miss here (mostly miss in my experience, but others have better luck), and Kimber is mostly good with regards to slide to frame fit. Don't worry about the bushing fit, you'll probably be replacing it anyway.

And with the RIA you have a cast frame, which probably doesn't make any difference at all, but something to consider when you're going down this road.

My Springfield needed a new fire control group (hammer, sear, disconnector, stock parts were literally junk), slide stop, firing pin retainer, bushing, MSH and thumb safety to be acceptable. Still has poor slide to frame fit, but the oversize slide stop and well-fit bushing went a long way toward addressing this issue. And the BTGS is also a loose, poorly fit unit that I may get around to upgrading some day. Looking back, I should have gone the RIA route. As it was I had to add the upgrades to get it working the way I wanted and I was doing that after spending the premium for the Springfield name. I know I could have sent it back to Springfield, but that would have taken time, and they would have just put in new junk parts. So I made it mine.

Whatever you do, good luck.

Robert1234
02-18-2017, 10:01 AM
The guys saying the RIA is a very basic low budget pistol are correct. If you are happy with that then it is OK.

You might consider a single action 9mm CZ75. It is in the same price range, all steel and is going to be more accurate than a 9mm 1911 with a drop in barrel. Keep in mind the CZ75 was designed to be a 9mm and the 1911 was not. 9mm 1911's can sometimes be finicky feeding ammo.

Clixk here to see the CZ--> http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-b-sa-9mm-black-16-rd-mags/

Had a CZ75, was not impressed with its accuracy. A .38 Super 1911 properly converted to 9mm with a correctly fit bushing will be more accurate.

I wanted to like the CZ, and even went so far as to put the CGW parts in it to give it a very nice trigger, but my G17 put it to shame. It was nice enough, and shot well enough, just didn't go beyond that.

If you can get a Shadow, you can make their triggers very sweet in both SA and DA. And you can get a bushing installed on them to tighten up the accuracy. Of course then you've driven well past the cost of a 9mm 1911.

railroader
02-18-2017, 10:05 AM
The guys saying the RIA is a very basic low budget pistol are correct. If you are happy with that then it is OK.

You might consider a single action 9mm CZ75. It is in the same price range, all steel and is going to be more accurate than a 9mm 1911 with a drop in barrel. Keep in mind the CZ75 was designed to be a 9mm and the 1911 was not. 9mm 1911's can sometimes be finicky feeding ammo.

Clixk here to see the CZ--> http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-b-sa-9mm-black-16-rd-mags/
I was going to suggest this too. You can remove the firing pin safety and install a straight trigger. This will allow you to remove the take up in the trigger and have a very short reset too. You do this with a standard 75b too. Just remove the disconnector from the hammer. Then install the straight trigger. Better sights are easier to install if that is something you want with the cz.

Robert1234
02-18-2017, 10:19 AM
I was going to suggest this too. You can remove the firing pin safety and install a straight trigger. This will allow you to remove the take up in the trigger and have a very short reset too. You do this with a standard 75b too. Just remove the disconnector from the hammer. Then install the straight trigger. Better sights are easier to install if that is something you want with the cz.

Except finding decent adjustable sights for a CZ75 is nearly impossible.

Most adjustable sights on the market have a really shallow notch.

Find a Shadow Target and you're in business. Already has the adjustable sights and built without firing pin safety, so you ddon't have the obnoxious holes under your slide to deal with, just get a bushing installed and voila, you have a nice gun.

But you're way beyond the cost of a 9mm 1911.

spb_la
02-18-2017, 10:49 AM
I love my RIA 38 Super (got it from another member here). I was not as lucky as some others - my 9mm barrel from Armscor did not drop in. Waiting for my appointment with Randall to fit it to slide - then I will be a happy camper. It is for plinking only, and I do not care about beaver tail safety or skeletonized this or that. Good enough for GIs - good enough for me :)

Erion929
02-18-2017, 10:54 AM
Seems a long way around to get a 9mm 1911....that could still be sketchy.

If you can't afford a dedicated one, just get a Glock 34 or a CZ and be done with it.

JS41989
02-18-2017, 10:56 AM
I have the SA Loaded 9 and love it.... but I've been contemplating this RIA setup lately to do another custom build. No doubt in my mind the build will be started in the next year. Don't hesitate, just go for it! But you're also going to be buying that SA Loaded eventually

I second that the loaded 9 is going to be your ultimate goal. Great gun.

ShaneB
02-18-2017, 10:57 AM
I did the same thing. Put Wilson parts on it as well. For some reason mine won't work with 38 super mags, runs flawless with 9mm mags. I purchased the barrel from Armscor for 80 bucks. Didn't need any smithing for the the barrel swap.

PachecoFTW
02-18-2017, 11:17 AM
If the ejector isn't tuned for 9mm your extractor may not be doing its' job.

I dont mean to hijack but you make valid points for the OP.
These are the type of issues you will run into when using a different desighn.
And i already suspected suck, but i believe the ejector is wrong because the extractor was just tuned and continues to give me problems.

JTROKS
02-18-2017, 11:25 AM
I second that the loaded 9 is going to be your ultimate goal. Great gun.

The Springfield Armory 1911s in 9mm are very good gun. They need a little bit of tweaking to make them very reliable. Customizing a 1911 is also fun. Let me show you my pair. :D

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh257/joshuatroy/2F87FD0B-717F-4019-A756-4A668C4DCA2D.jpg

Robert1234
02-18-2017, 12:06 PM
The Springfield Armory 1911s in 9mm are very good gun. They need a little bit of tweaking to make them very reliable. Customizing a 1911 is also fun. Let me show you my pair. :D

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh257/joshuatroy/2F87FD0B-717F-4019-A756-4A668C4DCA2D.jpg

Mine needed a new sear to make it reliable, but after that, reliability was never the issue.

Looseness and rattlyness (is that even a word?) is still the issue, but it's reliable and accurate, so I'm not too concerned about it. For now.

I like that flat top on the slide.

JTROKS
02-18-2017, 12:31 PM
The RO has a tight slide to frame fit. Barrel is not hard fit but it's tight enough for good accuracy.

My LT 9mm was reasonably tight. After a few thousand rounds it loosened up to acceptable levels to where it's not a rattle trap.

BigPimping
02-18-2017, 2:48 PM
I wouldn't even think about going down that road.

JTROKS
02-18-2017, 8:18 PM
Mine needed a new sear to make it reliable, but after that, reliability was never the issue.

Looseness and rattlyness (is that even a word?) is still the issue, but it's reliable and accurate, so I'm not too concerned about it. For now.

I like that flat top on the slide.

I got both those pistols with the stock sear and hammer polished up to just a couple ounces over 2 lbs. However some of the Springfield stock sears I've done will not hold the stoned angle due to uneven heat treatment. I'm using 17 lb mainspring with titanium struts and caps.

RIPtastic
02-18-2017, 8:50 PM
Is this possible with a RI compact 1911?

JTROKS
02-19-2017, 4:50 AM
Is this possible with a RI compact 1911?

Are you asking putting custom touches on the RIA compact or a light trigger job in the sub 2.5 lb weight?

railroader
02-19-2017, 5:21 AM
Except finding decent adjustable sights for a CZ75 is nearly impossible.

Most adjustable sights on the market have a really shallow notch.

Find a Shadow Target and you're in business. Already has the adjustable sights and built without firing pin safety, so you ddon't have the obnoxious holes under your slide to deal with, just get a bushing installed and voila, you have a nice gun.

But you're way beyond the cost of a 9mm 1911.

Who is talking about adjustable sights? The OP was looking at a 38 super that had GI sights. As for CZ sights both CZ Custom Cajun Gun Works have good fixed replacement sights. I have some on my CZ 75 SA.

Robert1234
02-19-2017, 7:07 AM
I got both those pistols with the stock sear and hammer polished up to just a couple ounces over 2 lbs. However some of the Springfield stock sears I've done will not hold the stoned angle due to uneven heat treatment. I'm using 17 lb mainspring with titanium struts and caps.

I just lightly polished the sear nose, didn't even attempt to cut the secondary angle and it stopped catching the hammer.

Since I was replacing the sear, I figured may as well go all in.

Cylinder and Slide kit ($96.00) and I had it tuned at 2 lbs. Wasn't crazy about that, had a few DQs at USPSA matches for AD, so I brought it up where my other guns are (3-3.5 lbs). No more DQ.

I also go with 17 lb mainsprings, but not the titanium parts.

Seems like for $1,050.00, it'd have better internals and more consistent fit.

JTROKS
02-19-2017, 7:57 AM
I just lightly polished the sear nose, didn't even attempt to cut the secondary angle and it stopped catching the hammer.

Since I was replacing the sear, I figured may as well go all in.

Cylinder and Slide kit ($96.00) and I had it tuned at 2 lbs. Wasn't crazy about that, had a few DQs at USPSA matches for AD, so I brought it up where my other guns are (3-3.5 lbs). No more DQ.

I also go with 17 lb mainsprings, but not the titanium parts.

Seems like for $1,050.00, it'd have better internals and more consistent fit.

My open guns have sub 2 lbs trigger pulls. I'm fortunate to never have a DQ, but I did get DNF a couple of times due to equipment failure. I like the C&S kits. They are worth the money.

Robert1234
02-19-2017, 8:15 AM
My open guns have sub 2 lbs trigger pulls. I'm fortunate to never have a DQ, but I did get DNF a couple of times due to equipment failure. I like the C&S kits. They are worth the money.

Yeah, I don't think my issue was the 2 lb trigger per se, more my being used to 3.0-3.5 lb triggers, and when prepping the trigger as I was approaching a target, I would on occasion drop the hammer. Happened two matches in a row, one where I was the last shooter on the last stage (that sucks, shooting the whole match and being DQ'd at the very end), so I figured, hey, I know I can tune a trigger to this level, but it ain't for me.

A well done 3.0 lb trigger is not hard to shoot well, and (for me at least) a little harder to AD with during a stage.

walmart_ar15
02-19-2017, 8:35 AM
If u want a "purtty" gun, get the SA. If u want a low cost 1911 to use at the range, get the RIA.

With the RIA, order ur self a new 9mm slide with all the sights already installed for $110, a 9mm bbl for $75. So now ur $620. Spend the rest of $400 on ammo.

Robert1234
02-19-2017, 8:47 AM
If u want a "purtty" gun, get the SA. If u want a low cost 1911 to use at the range, get the RIA.

With the RIA, order ur self a new 9mm slide with all the sights already installed for $110, a 9mm bbl for $75. So now ur $620. Spend the rest of $400 on ammo.

Where can you get a slide with adjustable sights already installed for $110.00?

Erion929
02-19-2017, 9:12 AM
Where can you get a slide with adjustable sights already installed for $110.00?


Well, his screenname IS "Walmart". :D

RustyIron
02-19-2017, 12:10 PM
You might want to consider ALL the extra money that you'll have to throw into the Rock Island to make it into the gun you want.

You'll have to throw money into a barrel and magazine.

The sights suck. You won't like them. You'll have to spend half the cost of the gun to get proper dovetails machined and good sights installed.

The grip safety is puny and is likely to grind away at your thumb if you do a lot of shooting. A grip safety with a proper beavertail will also require a new hammer. And I think on that gun will require some fitting on the frame. Again, big bucks.

If you want a good trigger pull, that will cost you. But a triggersmith can only do so much with the low-end Rock Island parts.

When you add it all up, you're now looking at the price of the expensive gun you wanted in the first place, but you have a Rock Island with rough finish and sloppy fit. If you can figure out how to swing the cost of the better gun, do it. If the Rock really is all you can afford, then do it. They're not BAD guns. They're reliable and safe, but just don't have the niceties of guns that cost a little more.

JohnCCW
02-19-2017, 12:11 PM
38 Super is superior to 9mm, unless you are a poor man.

Robert1234
02-19-2017, 3:47 PM
You might want to consider ALL the extra money that you'll have to throw into the Rock Island to make it into the gun you want.

You'll have to throw money into a barrel and magazine.

The sights suck. You won't like them. You'll have to spend half the cost of the gun to get proper dovetails machined and good sights installed.

The grip safety is puny and is likely to grind away at your thumb if you do a lot of shooting. A grip safety with a proper beavertail will also require a new hammer. And I think on that gun will require some fitting on the frame. Again, big bucks.

If you want a good trigger pull, that will cost you. But a triggersmith can only do so much with the low-end Rock Island parts.

When you add it all up, you're now looking at the price of the expensive gun you wanted in the first place, but you have a Rock Island with rough finish and sloppy fit. If you can figure out how to swing the cost of the better gun, do it. If the Rock really is all you can afford, then do it. They're not BAD guns. They're reliable and safe, but just don't have the niceties of guns that cost a little more.

You're going to have to buy magazines anyway. Springfield and Kimber give you 9 round units, why when there's 10 round mags out there is beyond me. You'll be spending this money anyway.

Springfield also has crap internals and marginal trigger pull. Again, you'll be spending this money anyway.

You are correct about the BTGS, Springfield and Kimber win in this category. And the Springfield and Kimber are stainless, so there is no finish to worry about if you do change out the BTGS for one that is fit better than either of those guns.

I laid it out earlier, you save nothing, but you get to do it yourself (a plus for some, minus for others) and you end up with the gun you want. Is it worth it? Only the purchaser can make that call.

But if I had it to do again, I'd go Kimber. They're generally fit better than the Springfields I've handled and cost the same. The Kimber firing pin safety doesn't bother me, so it's a non-issue. Kimber frames and slides are generally good quality and in my experience tighter than Springfield guns.

Robert1234
02-19-2017, 3:49 PM
38 Super is superior to 9mm, unless you are a poor man.

Actually with modern ammo, 9mm gives up nothing to .38 super.

And brass is readily available, so you're not worrying about picking up every piece you shoot. Hard to put a price tag on that, but it's huge to me.

walmart_ar15
02-19-2017, 9:18 PM
Where can you get a slide with adjustable sights already installed for $110.00?

http://https://advancedtactical.com/products/parts/1911-parts/1911-slides/rock-island-armory-slides-no-logo

Robert1234
02-20-2017, 7:49 AM
http://https://advancedtactical.com/products/parts/1911-parts/1911-slides/rock-island-armory-slides-no-logo

Nice, have to keep that in mind for future projects.

hambam105
02-20-2017, 11:06 AM
a low cost 1911 to use at the range, get the RIA.


The Price of a RIA is less.

The Cost of owning a RIA is more than a SA.

oddjob
02-20-2017, 2:43 PM
OP,

What do you plan on doing with it? Competition, plinking?