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Lead Waster
05-31-2016, 12:49 PM
Probably I've watched too much James Bond and Archer ...

For sure I've picked up so much .380 brass while gathering 9mm brass that I'm maybe possibly almost thinking of getting a .380 just so the brass won't anger me so much, and if you're going to get a .380 ... why not a PPK?

My question is ... are currently made PPKs any good (reliable?).

I'm lazy, but are they even on roster?

Lead Waster
05-31-2016, 12:53 PM
Ah ... not on roster. Bah...

Is it worth hunting for a PPT PPK? (LOL!)

ElvenSoul
05-31-2016, 12:55 PM
C&R

ElvenSoul
05-31-2016, 12:57 PM
Go here to drool

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/walthercustom.shtml

osis32
05-31-2016, 1:09 PM
You mean a versa? Lolz

Cool Custard
05-31-2016, 1:33 PM
The only gun anybody needs is a glock 19. Spend your time and money on training and ammo.
-Germ


















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ElvenSoul
05-31-2016, 1:38 PM
There is the Mauser HSC

Works best in .32 ACP have heard nothing but bad things about Mauser HSC in .380

paultakeda
05-31-2016, 2:04 PM
I felt the same way about wanting a PPK but didn't want another caliber. I compromised and got a PPK/S in .22LR. Took awhile to get since it isn't on the roster but happy withth it

Heavy DA but you get 10 rounds in the mag and with the metal weight the sucker doesn't budge when fired.

But yeah, totally because of Bond.

smle-man
05-31-2016, 2:10 PM
There is the Mauser HSC

Works best in .32 ACP have heard nothing but bad things about Mauser HSC in .380

Mine works just fine in .380

Lead Waster
05-31-2016, 2:18 PM
The only gun anybody needs is a glock 19. Spend your time and money on training and ammo.
-Germ

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I have a 17, 34, 26, 23, 35, 21 and 30s). But no 19, because I don't like the grip size of the 23, and ... I'm good for 9mm glocks. And I feed them with two 550bs and and a 1050. Training ... I could use.

Milsurp Collector
05-31-2016, 2:24 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1170607

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1178271

C&R and roster exempt
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/560384864
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/560949631
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/561486627
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/561229026

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/milsurp_collector/Walther/PPK/DSC04481.jpg

Quiet
05-31-2016, 2:38 PM
Ah ... not on roster. Bah...

Is it worth hunting for a PPT PPK? (LOL!)

You can look for one via PPT or look for a C&R version of it.

There is also the Bersa Firestorm 380 (it's on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale) which is an excellent Argentinian clone of the Walther PPK.

Tere_Hanges
05-31-2016, 2:47 PM
IMHO .32 is the only way to go for a PPK. I have a Mauser HSc and it is great. FYI wartime HSc's were only made in .32. All HSc's in .380 are post war copies. .32 was the original chambering for these pocket pistols.

You can go the C&R route for a PPK but be prepared to spend big. Also, most if not all wartime PPK's are in .32.

I dont think I have ever heard anyone saying they enjoyed shooting a PPK in .380.

The Bersa Firestorm is a copy that is on roster and the Sig 232 is similar.

zinfull
05-31-2016, 2:48 PM
A PPK in 380 is a tough one to shoot, even in a PPK/s. It is a very nice one in 32. They are out there if you take your time. A C&R Manurhin is the same gun as a post war Germany Walther and a lot cheaper.

plumbum
05-31-2016, 3:58 PM
Polish p64?

smle-man
05-31-2016, 5:19 PM
IMHO .32 is the only way to go for a PPK. I have a Mauser HSc and it is great. FYI wartime HSc's were only made in .32. All HSc's in .380 are post war copies. .32 was the original chambering for these pocket pistols.

You can go the C&R route for a PPK but be prepared to spend big. Also, most if not all wartime PPK's are in .32.

I dont think I have ever heard anyone saying they enjoyed shooting a PPK in .380.

The Bersa Firestorm is a copy that is on roster and the Sig 232 is similar.


My HSc was made in the 70s by Mauser. I don't consider it a copy.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/IMG_0026_zps00991f29.jpg

It does sting the hand when shooting it!

44fred
05-31-2016, 5:22 PM
I owned and carried a PPK/S for years in the late 80's-early 90's.
Nice to look at but that's it, don't miss it one bit. The slide would bite my web every time I shot it.

bruce381
05-31-2016, 5:27 PM
Nice to look at but that's it, don't miss it one bit. The slide would bite my web every time I shot it.

Correcto mundo same with me

Tokarevman
05-31-2016, 5:53 PM
I picked up my PPK during the SSE finale craze. I absolutely love it.
Also DROS'ed the Micro Desert Eagle 380 Dec 31, 2014.
http://i64.tinypic.com/2e3send.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/205s687.jpg

Abu Riyah
05-31-2016, 8:37 PM
The best of the pseudo PPKs:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=509968&stc=1&d=1464755742

mrblah
05-31-2016, 9:37 PM
id own one just because they are beautiful to look at......

I don't own one because of the price people want for them....one day i'll get one..its on my bucket list.

I Swan
05-31-2016, 9:51 PM
My WW2 7.65 and my modern 380 HSC both sucked. I like my 380 PPK/s and my 22lr PP but the 22 is ammo sensitive which I figured would be the case.

paultakeda
05-31-2016, 10:54 PM
My WW2 7.65 and my modern 380 HSC both sucked. I like my 380 PPK/s and my 22lr PP but the 22 is ammo sensitive which I figured would be the case.

My PPK/S .22LR works just fine as long as the round is plated. Exposed lead causes issues for the first two to three rounds (they fire but I get a failure to cycle which requires racking the slide to chamber correctly). I'm thinking it's to do with the lubricant on those rounds....

Aside: meanwhile, the Browning 1911-22 has eaten everything I've thrown at it.

steve91104
05-31-2016, 10:58 PM
Polish p64?

Nice gun!


https://4b1e874935ea5d25a97e-f099844d0e354c7ab50c55a966be6870.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.c om/product/f3p64pw1X.jpg

Milsurp Collector
05-31-2016, 11:20 PM
I owned and carried a PPK/S for years in the late 80's-early 90's.
Nice to look at but that's it, don't miss it one bit. The slide would bite my web every time I shot it.



Correcto mundo same with me

From the Walther forum:

RMC, you've just experienced a "love bite" from your PPK. It's a common thing with this fantastic, wonderful handgun which certainly does not warrant a 12 pounder being anywhere near it. It bit you because you were not holding it right.

Try this. No, better yet, do this and both your hand and your PPK will thank you. Go ahead, go and get it. Yes, right now before you read this any further. Go get it and hold it in your shooting hand. I'll wait...



Got it there? OK, good. Hold it as if you're ready to fire. Now, stop right there and observe the position of your thumb. See that? That's not right - and you're going to get bit that way.

Now, slide your thumb down ever so slightly until it overlaps your middle finger slightly. Move your thumb down so the pad of your thumb lightly rests on the top edge of your middle finger. It might feel a little strange at first but that's the way one must hold their PPK or you're going to get it. Here's some pictures to demonstrate:


In this photo, you can see the "natural" way most people who haven't had much experience with PPKs hold their guns. It's a natural human grasp and feels normal. But the PPK was designed to be small and the fact that the barrel also acts as the guide rod (a genius of design) dictates a low slide. The design keeps things small, simple, and more in line with the radius bone of the forearm, which promotes accuracy. However, it also allows for "slide bite." The red arrow I put in the picture shows where the slide will get me if I hold my PPK this way.
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/Pilotstever/PPKthewrongwayside.jpg

Here's a view of the same grip. You can clearly see where I'd get a nice double bite if I held her this way. That slide comes back viciously and mercilessly when it cycles a round, and human flesh will suffer if it's in the way:
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/Pilotstever/PPKthewrongwayback.jpg

Now, if you hold your PPK the way I described above, with your thumb slightly overlapping your middle finger on the grip, it can't get you. Try holding your PPK like this:
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/Pilotstever/PPKtherightwayside.jpg

Same grip method, from the back. As you can see, there's no way it can get you.
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j466/Pilotstever/PPKtherightwayback.jpg

Your soft tender flesh is now out of the way of the unyielding steel and your PPK will now give you a lifetime of joy. I hope this helps.

-Pilotsteve

Tokarevman
05-31-2016, 11:46 PM
That's the correct way to shoot the PPK. Good post Milsurp Collector.

Swampcrip
06-01-2016, 12:49 AM
Own a ppk. Its one i rarely shoot but will never sell.

hambam105
06-01-2016, 1:35 AM
Assuming you're staying with the caliber 380acp...

What is commonly known as the PPK/s Rules. Period. All else is horse-puckie.

Dig deep in the couch cushions, sell some stuff, and do what 99.99% don't do but wish they had done:

Go buy a real 1930s, that's right, a real 1930s Walther and then...

Then go do what 99.99% of what the real 1930s Walther owners have not ever done and probably will never do...go out and shoot it on a regular basis. I can just see others posters right now grabbing their chest and doing a Fred T. Stanford imitation act of having a heart attack at such a suggestion as to own and shoot the real maccoy.

Steponmytoes
06-01-2016, 3:12 AM
By all accounts the PPK is an uncomfortable gun to shoot. I love the look but would never get a gun that is a poor shooter. The Bersa is a better bet and easier to procure. Heard good things about the bersa Thunder specifically

I Swan
06-01-2016, 7:58 AM
Assuming you're staying with the caliber 380acp...

What is commonly known as the PPK/s Rules. Period. All else is horse-puckie.

Dig deep in the couch cushions, sell some stuff, and do what 99.99% don't do but wish they had done:

Go buy a real 1930s, that's right, a real 1930s Walther and then...

Then go do what 99.99% of what the real 1930s Walther owners have not ever done and probably will never do...go out and shoot it on a regular basis. I can just see others posters right now grabbing their chest and doing a Fred T. Stanford imitation act of having a heart attack at such a suggestion as to own and shoot the real maccoy.

It would be rather hard to take your advice as the PPK/s did not exist in the 1930's nor do I believe did examples of these guns in 380. I'm not sure why you consider the PPK/s superior in the series as it is just a workaround to allow after the GCA of 1968.

zinfull
06-01-2016, 10:22 AM
Production on PPK's started in 1930 and in 1940 they introduced the PPK in 9mm kutz, .380 acp. PPK/s production started in 6/68 at the French Manurhin factory.

lowIQ
06-01-2016, 1:52 PM
My 30 year old PPK. ..

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/Walther%20PPK/59f25fa1-504b-433e-ab48-57ea79f2e49c_zps2ovhloz6.jpg (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/los3088/media/Walther%20PPK/59f25fa1-504b-433e-ab48-57ea79f2e49c_zps2ovhloz6.jpg.html)

timbo399
06-01-2016, 3:55 PM
Shot a friend's PPK/s few years ago- no idea who actually made it, but I believe it said PPK/S rather than PPK on the slide and was in good condition.

I LOVED it. Only .380 I have ever shot (all my handguns are 9mm or .45) and honestly it shot like a laser for me, plinking targets I could only dream of with other handguns, it's like it was made for me, too bad I didn't stay in touch w him and he sold all his guns for dirt cheap when he moved to NY- I would have loved to own it.

Tokarevman
06-01-2016, 3:58 PM
Actually, the PPK/S has a wider and taller frame than the PPK.

simonp
06-01-2016, 9:44 PM
I had old C&R Walther PP/ PPK in .32 and .380, wish I still had them. The .32 was easy and fun to shoot. The 380 was less fun but not bad, never bit me. It was a much nice gun than the S&W PPK that was sold after interarms.

IVC
06-01-2016, 10:08 PM
To me, .380 these days is only practical for a mouse gun such as P380. Other than that, it's a "want" gun for someone who has all the "needs" covered.

In the "want" category, I own Beretta 85 and wouldn't mind a PPK just for the "Bond factor," but I am not willing to pay the off-roster premium for it. The double action is too heavy and single action is not too crisp...

hambam105
06-01-2016, 11:09 PM
I Swan,

I don't often quote myself but for you I'll make an exception,



99% of those Jones-ing over the James Bond pistol are of the opinion that PPK and the PP models are all PPK/s. So instead of splitting hairs with the OP I was trying to direct him to the original source of the mentioned pistols instead of the numerous cheap 3rd world unreliable copies.

I Swan
06-02-2016, 12:11 AM
I guess my reliable Bersas and Makarovs are but figments of my imagination.

ArizonaBoy
06-02-2016, 6:31 AM
I've owned three PPKs and each was a great gun to carry and to shoot. All three where reliable and accurate. They are just a little too big to be a pocket gun, at least for me, but were great for inside the waistband or appendix carry.


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RedFord150
06-02-2016, 7:45 AM
By all accounts the PPK is an uncomfortable gun to shoot. I love the look but would never get a gun that is a poor shooter. The Bersa is a better bet and easier to procure. Heard good things about the bersa Thunder specifically

I own a Bersa Thunder and agree with the above statement. My Thunder is really fun to shoot, fairly accurate, and easy to field strip. IMHO, the best handgun under $300 on the market.

hambam105
06-02-2016, 11:05 PM
While I haven't considered spending a Nano second of interest surrounding the figments clustered in anyone's imagination, I have spent more time shooting and training with the PPK and Bersa size pistols than anyone I know.

For the average guy who wants a pistol for protection and really doesn't anticipate needing more than a 50 round box of ammunition for a while, Makarovs are probably the best valued handgun in the U.S. today.

When a shooter:
(A) acknowledges that his choice for whatever reason is limited to a small frame size pistol, and,
(B) actually spends 3 or 4 days of accumulated training days over a year or two and burns thru a couple hundred rounds in the process;

My experience shows that many of these shooters whom started with a Bersa eventfully step up to a higher quality .380acp size pistol.

I Swan
06-02-2016, 11:12 PM
Bersas can't make it through a whole couple hundred rounds of ammo?

hambam105
06-03-2016, 12:03 AM
On Calguns there are a few bad Bera reports. However, most are good.

As for me, after shooting Bersas for a while, I prefer to send expensive ammo downrange with a higher quality pistol. And while being in the extreme minority I am not alone.

And as to my 1st posting to the OPs question, 99% of people who shoot recreational .380s... they shoot a .380 other than the original Walthers to which I am sure the OP was Jones-ing after in the first place.

You don't need my approval to enjoy or depend or use a Bersa. Relax.

keep_ur_powder_dry
06-03-2016, 3:53 PM
A good accurate, discreet weapon but, a little torque. Lots of great SD ammo available

Get one (PPK/SS) and you won't be sorry, if you don't they are an easy re-sale

As far as slide bites goes, I have never had that problem. A garand will teach you to pay attention to the functioning mechanics

You can spot the Joes by their fingers and toes.....don't be a Joe

Tokarevman
06-03-2016, 4:00 PM
On Calguns there are a few bad Bera reports. However, most are good.

As for me, after shooting Bersas for a while, I prefer to send expensive ammo downrange with a higher quality pistol. And while being in the extreme minority I am not alone.

And as to my 1st posting to the OPs question, 99% of people who shoot recreational .380s... they shoot a .380 other than the original Walthers to which I am sure the OP was Jones-ing after in the first place.

You don't need my approval to enjoy or depend or use a Bersa. Relax.

http://www.guns.com/review/how-it-breaks-problems-with-the-bersa-thunder-380/

hambam105
06-03-2016, 10:19 PM
If bersa floats yer boat go for it.