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rabbitstew
05-30-2008, 8:17 PM
Do you think its odd that McCain has such strong ties with the NRA and its supporters, while not own a single gun? He is so passionate during his NRA speeches but seemed cautious about his answer during a political debate viewed by a huge group of non-gun owning Americans. Just something that grabbed my attention. What do you think? Here is a youtube.com link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl1WvHxT8Bs

Satex
05-30-2008, 8:38 PM
Just because you support a cause doesn't mean you have to be actively engaged in it - does it?

bohoki
05-30-2008, 8:47 PM
yea i enjoy air races you dont see me rushing out to buy an at-6

cleaning them is annoying he probably borrows what ever he needs and lets them clean it

hawk1
05-30-2008, 8:55 PM
Great to hear that a "non-gun owner" has strong NRA ties. Shows he values that amendment too...:)

yellowfin
05-30-2008, 9:02 PM
I believe McCain's support of gun rights about as much as I trust a buzzard with a newborn kitten.

battleship
05-30-2008, 9:05 PM
Perhaps he hasent heard of Calguns and the sweet deals you can find here.

Actaully i find it a litte troubling that he does not have a gun, yet has strong ties with the NRA and gives speeches to them.

How can one mix with a group , give speeches expect there attention and yet not have the one item that bonds all NRA members namely a gun.

I am sure he has been offered a gun of some make as a token of respect, and gratitude from there many members, i would be hard pressed to think otherwise, as many members would also know of his lack to bear arms.

I wonder how he passes such an offer up with out looking a bit of a sharllerton.

LibertyOptics
05-30-2008, 9:09 PM
This was my latest blog post.

BOHICA

From the National Association for Gun Rights - Gun Rights Alert

Title: Mayor Michael Bloomberg uses John McCain TV ad to promote gun control

"New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, founder of the anti-gun front group Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), has released a TV calling for the closure of the so-called "gun show loop hole." The ad features footage of Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain, all expressing support for closing the "gun show loop hole." John McCain has long supported such anti-gun measures. In 2000, McCain did TV ads for George Soros funded anti-gun campaigns in Colorado and Oregon. View Bloomberg and MAIG's ad here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwzaivgpaDk"

If you think John "The Jackal" McCain is to be really trusted with supporting our 2nd amendment rights (as he purports in his NRA Convention speech) then you are in for a rude awakening. This is the man who muzzled First Amendment rights with his bipartisan McCain-Feingold law (I refuse to call this trashing of the First Amendment "campaign reform" ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act

I know the man has been tortured serving his country in 'Nam and I respect all soldiers and their sacrifices for God and country. But this man has evidently been brainwashed by the enemy, whether foreign or (left wing) domestic. He is going to screw us gun owners just as hard as Obama or Ms. Clinton would, even if he wears a condom (i.e., cloak of the Republican: see, G.W. Bush, who has perfected the technique).......it's still a screwing all the same.

We've set the table for a dark chapter in our country's history these next few years. In my next post, I'm going to point the finger at who I think who has the lion's share of responsibility for the mess we are in (notwithstanding the liberal curse we have been infected with).

Scott

odysseus
05-30-2008, 9:13 PM
Yeah, you can see it in his face on the question - it was like a contortion. McCain is not really natural with the idea of civilian gun ownership as I understand it. I hope I am wrong, and someone show me the light...

hawk1
05-30-2008, 9:18 PM
Actaully i find it a litte troubling that he does not have a gun, yet has strong ties with the NRA and gives speeches to them.

How can one mix with a group , give speeches expect there attention and yet not have the one item that bonds all NRA members namely a gun.

I am sure he has been offered a gun of some make as a token of respect, and gratitude from there many members, i would be hard pressed to think otherwise, as many members would also know of his lack to bear arms.

I wonder how he passes such an offer up with out looking a bit of a sharllerton.


A little far fetched isn't that?
First, he has atleast one item that "bonds" all NRA members and that is the Second Amendment!
Second, you are sure he's been given a firearm by "someone", not knowing for sure if he has or hasn't, then go on to "wonder how he passes such an offer up with out looking a bit of a sharllerton"...:rolleyes:

Come on,... :confused:

battleship
05-30-2008, 9:19 PM
All other political agendas aside just looking at the three candidates, who do you think would be the best surpporter of the 2nd amendment right to bear arms.

I once heard Hillary say in a speach that she is all for people who have a passion for collecting guns and that she understands how important that is to them, i havent heard zilch in a positive light by the other 2 candidates, who is more trusting if there is such a thing when it comes to gun ownership.

yellowfin
05-30-2008, 9:19 PM
What McCain did 30 years ago was what happened 30 years ago and is about as relevent today as accordion lessons are to deer hunting.

hawk1
05-30-2008, 9:27 PM
All other political agendas aside just looking at the three candidates, who do you think would be the best surpporter of the 2nd amendment right to bear arms.

I once heard Hillary say in a speach that she is all for people who have a passion for collecting guns and that she understands how important that is to them, i havent heard zilch in a positive light by the other 2 candidates, who is more trusting if there is such a thing when it comes to gun ownership.

You know, I don't need to compare McCain to the other two democrats to re-assure myself of who to vote for. I know damn well where the two democrats come from and where they want to take this country. I'm not liking it at all.
You or you other guys complaining about not knowing about McCains pro-gun stance want to proclaim Hillary's passion for the second amendment, go for it. She'll for sure make you look like a fool in the end...Obama's even worse...

P.S. I once heard Hillary in a speech tell how she dodged sniper fire in Afghanistan. That should tell you something.

battleship
05-30-2008, 9:27 PM
Hawk im merely speculating, im not sure either way, but the begining threader said he does not own a gun, that was news to me, and i was a little shocked by it. to be honest i would of put money on it that he did have a gun or rifle, but people here are saying differently. Actions speak louder than words, a man can preach all he wants to a crowd and let them believe and trust in Him Adolf Hitler is a shining example of this ability to pull the covers over many eyes.
I want to believe in McCains surpport for the 2nd amendment but it would be much more set in stone if he had an actually interest in what it stands for.

Harrison_Bergeron
05-30-2008, 9:33 PM
Note to all the other non-McCain supporters: Don't argue with the other side they are right, you will lose. McCain may not own a gun, but Barack's middle name is Hussein, what else needs to be said? Any attempt at rationalizing the cons of a dem will get you branded a pinko liberal, McCain is a tried and true friend of the second, maybe he just hasn't found the gun he likes yet, he's probably waiting for a smart gun so the kiddies don't get hurt.

RomanDad
05-30-2008, 9:40 PM
What McCain did 30 years ago was what happened 30 years ago and is about as relevent today as accordion lessons are to deer hunting.

Just about the most disrespectful, uneducated thing Ive ever had the displeasure of reading.... I knew there was a good reason they kicked you off the CCW board.

Sonny, the man HUNG UPSIDE DOWN, BY HIS ELBOWS, FROM A CEILING BEAM for the better part of 7 years for this country. You may not like his policies, but show some respect for his service and sacrifice. And if you can't, make yourself look brighter than you are and keep it to yourself.

halifax
05-30-2008, 9:42 PM
Might it have something to do with his war experiences. I know several combat vets that gave up hunting and guns when they got home. That didn't mean they were against it, just chose to break with it for awhile.

battleship
05-30-2008, 9:43 PM
I dont think Baracks middle name has anything to do with him not to be trusted, or i wouldnt take any more cab rides. I think his words and actions do that just fine, the mans a lefty radical loony tune.

Harrison_Bergeron
05-30-2008, 9:47 PM
Exactly which aspect of running what was once the most powerful nation in the world will that allow him to do better than the other candidates?

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Sonny, the man HUNG BY HIS ELBOWS FROM A CEILING BEAM for the better part of 7 years for this country. You may not like his policies, but respect his sacrifice or keep it to yourself.

RomanDad
05-30-2008, 9:51 PM
Exactly which aspect of running what was once the most powerful nation in the world will that allow him to do better than the other candidates?
Its called CHARACTER. Its a quality MOST people nowadays LACK. And its the most important quality a LEADER NEEDS. Hes demonstrated it in SPADES.


Might it have something to do with his war experiences. I know several combat vets that gave up hunting and guns when they got home. That didn't mean they were against it, just chose to break with it for awhile.

Might also have to do with the fact he cant lift his arms high enough to aim a gun at anything above his navel. Guys, his shoulders and neck are so injured he hasn't even been able to COMB HIS OWN HAIR since Vietnam.... You really think shooting is high on the list?

AngelDecoys
05-30-2008, 10:26 PM
Exactly which aspect of running what was once the most powerful nation in the world will that allow him to do better than the other candidates?

Like him, or not. He's the only one of the three that has worked with the other side to get things accomplished. Moderates move the ball forward. McCain is attractive to many, especially the elderly who feel comfortable in (the idea of) him being President. Even Reagan and Clinton realized one must compromise to get things done. :eek:

Hillery or Obama spells another 4 years of gridlock. :rolleyes:

BTW - I believe there was another candidate (Paul) who also is a strong 2nd supporter but has no firearms (Just a thought).

Josh3239
05-30-2008, 10:37 PM
Some of you guys need to shut up and research it yourselves: http://ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm#Gun_Control

He looks to be fairly pro-2A, but does leave himself some wiggle room for the anti-2A. For example, he voted against the AWB and the Brady Bill but said he'd be open to an AWB. Another time he said he wanted the "gun show loophole" closed but voted against background checks at gun shows.

Harrison_Bergeron
05-30-2008, 10:46 PM
If he were a Democrat that would make him indecisive, unwilling to take a stance on a hot button issue, but he's not so my guess is that it makes him open minded. Am I right?

Some of you guys need to shut up and research it yourselves: http://ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm#Gun_Control

He looks to be fairly pro-2A, but does leave himself some wiggle room for the anti-2A. For example, he voted against the AWB and the Brady Bill but said he'd be open to an AWB. Another time he said he wanted the "gun show loophole" closed but voted against background checks at gun shows.

elSquid
05-30-2008, 10:54 PM
If he were a Democrat that would make him indecisive, unwilling to take a stance on a hot button issue, but he's not so my guess is that it makes him open minded. Am I right?

If he's consistently voting pro-2A, that pretty much makes him GTG as far as that particular issue. So he's taking a moderate stance in interviews? Fine by me.

-- Michael

LibertyOptics
05-30-2008, 11:18 PM
Some of you guys need to shut up and research it yourselves: ....

Yes, do the research. Maybe this will help.

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

and

http://gunowners.org/pres08/

McCain GTG? I don't think so.

Scott

tombinghamthegreat
05-31-2008, 2:22 AM
McCain is more worried about maintaining our empire and our presence in Iraq than individual rights. I am sure if he had to he would sign our rights away as long as he can continue his 100 year war with the middle east. This is assuming that he supports the 2nd(he may only have voted progun to keep his party and NRA quiet). If he does not then he would not need such a strong reason to sign the new AWB in effect. Even the NRA is not so eager to back him for some of the resent laws he tried to pass.

Blacktail 8541
05-31-2008, 6:08 AM
He is like any other politiciation, do what needs to be done to get the vote. None of the three canidates are a good choice, but it is up to the indivigual to determine which canidate expresses your outlook and intrest the best.

I personally do not think a lot of McCains plans on keeping our troops in Irac, but that is a far less evil in my mind than Obamas' outlook on Guns and the naive veiw on forien politic.

The US needs to invest in itself internally again and limit the forign aid it makes availeable so that we can pay off our deficet and not be owned by forign nations.

HeyZeus
05-31-2008, 6:40 AM
All three canadate's are gun grabbers believe me. Some less then others. They all are about globalism. None stand for Borders, Language, and Culture. It will only get worse before it gets better.

dustoff31
05-31-2008, 6:54 AM
The fact that he doesn't own a gun doesn't really bother me. There are a lot of cops and military people who don't own, or particulary care for guns save the fact that carrying one is required by their work.

There are a lot of reasons to be displeased with McCain. But on the gun issue, given the choce between:

1. McCain, who believes that people shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun without a background check.

2. Obama, who has said straight up that he wants to ban all semi-autos. And even ban guns in general depending on where you live.

3. Hillary, whose husband actually did ban certain firearms.

The choice seems pretty clear.

hawk81
05-31-2008, 8:13 AM
He's also hooked up with George Soros. I do not trust this man at all.

yellowfin
05-31-2008, 2:17 PM
That is precisely the problem. What he works with the other side on IS moving the ball forward, but forward to what we don't want. He gets more done in the way of government interventionism, not prying their hands off. Moving forward is only good if it's in the right direction. None of what the other side will agree to and routinely enlists McCAin to get done for them is working towards less regulation, repealing the utter disaster of the King FDR years and Johnson's bungling, getting us back on the gold standard, breaking up the ostensible two party but in practice one party monopoly, and restoring the balance of power in favor of the individual over the monster of runaway government that makes up the rules as it goes along. In that effor McCain has been absolutely nothing of a hero and instead a worthless parasite just as the rest of them. Sorry I don't bow to your sacred cows, but nothing makes that right and nobody gets a pass because of something they did once, no matter how great. Doesn't matter if you're a scientist who cures the great plague of the century, Elvis come back to life, or the Pope's half brother, if you beat women, molest kids, or sodomize our country by moving us towards socialism, then you're a scumbag. Period. Like him, or not. He's the only one of the three that has worked with the other side to get things accomplished. Moderates move the ball forward. McCain is attractive to many, especially the elderly who feel comfortable in (the idea of) him being President. Even Reagan and Clinton realized one must compromise to get things done. :eek:

Hillery or Obama spells another 4 years of gridlock. :rolleyes:

BTW - I believe there was another candidate (Paul) who also is a strong 2nd supporter but has no firearms (Just a thought).

heycorey
05-31-2008, 5:31 PM
If you don't vote for McCain in November, you're moving us towards socialism ...

hawk81
05-31-2008, 6:48 PM
I've got news for you, we're already at socialism. It doesn't matter who is President now. You really think our elected reprsentatives are calling the shots? This country is on the road for some hard times ahead. I hope everyone has plenty of ammo.

AngelDecoys
05-31-2008, 7:00 PM
That is precisely the problem. What he works with the other side on IS moving the ball forward, but forward to what we don't want. He gets more done in the way of government interventionism, not prying their hands off. Moving forward is only good if it's in the right direction. None of what the other side will agree to and routinely enlists McCAin to get done for them is working towards less regulation, repealing the utter disaster of the King FDR years and Johnson's bungling, getting us back on the gold standard, breaking up the ostensible two party but in practice one party monopoly, and restoring the balance of power in favor of the individual over the monster of runaway government that makes up the rules as it goes along. In that effor McCain has been absolutely nothing of a hero and instead a worthless parasite just as the rest of them. Sorry I don't bow to your sacred cows, but nothing makes that right and nobody gets a pass because of something they did once, no matter how great. Doesn't matter if you're a scientist who cures the great plague of the century, Elvis come back to life, or the Pope's half brother, if you beat women, molest kids, or sodomize our country by moving us towards socialism, then you're a scumbag. Period.

Whoa there Cowboy! Not saying he was my first choice, or even second. Just suggesting he has the perception as a doer, over one who gets nothing accomplished. He's perceived as a moderate over Hillary/Obama (Even if that means capitulation). My folks are retired and are very comfortable with McCain. "He's not a dove" I think were my Dad's words. They love the guy...... Statistically, many retirees/moderates will vote for McCain. (Remember, the average age voter is not in their 20's/30's :))

For all the talk from Hillary/Obama, there will be nothing but gridlock, or scandals for the next 4 years if one of them are elected. A lot of people are just tired of that. Though to me, the less they do, the better off I feel.

thominator
06-01-2008, 9:16 AM
I've got news for you, we're already at socialism. It doesn't matter who is President now. You really think our elected reprsentatives are calling the shots? This country is on the road for some hard times ahead. I hope everyone has plenty of ammo.

+1,000

Two Shots
06-01-2008, 9:31 AM
yea i enjoy air races you dont see me rushing out to buy an at-6

cleaning them is annoying he probably borrows what ever he needs and lets them clean it

+1 Cleaning the oil off the SNJ or JN4 or any Bi-plane is too much work. But for the right price, I'll take one. Maybe McCain does have some guns and he just keeps qiuet about them.