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rojocorsa
11-30-2014, 12:48 PM
It shoots way off on my GLOCK 17 with Warren sights, so I just shoot 124gr NATO spec. This goes for all of my nines (M-9 and G.19). The 124g NATO seems to function well and I am happy with its price, so yeah.

I haven't actually tried any other 9mm loads yet.

Rickrock1
11-30-2014, 12:51 PM
Me and kids have total of (3) G17 and I have to say love the 115 grain factory or reloads.
No problems and accurate

jdben92883
11-30-2014, 12:54 PM
Works fine in my G17, G19, G35 w/9mm barrel, and XD-s.

stphnman20
11-30-2014, 12:57 PM
Works great with all my 9s. Maybe because I only shoot my own reloads.

shakyshoot
11-30-2014, 12:58 PM
I've shot 1000's of rds of 115 gr and a fair amount of 124. Honestly, I can't tell any difference in any of my 9mm's.

rojocorsa
11-30-2014, 1:01 PM
There was a 10" difference. I don't know if the sights contributed to it as well, seeing that Warren/Sevignys are taller.

WASR10
11-30-2014, 1:01 PM
I love 115 gr. for all day shooting. My family of Glock 9mm's take them well. I use something heavier for HD/SD, however.

Creampuff
11-30-2014, 1:03 PM
115 grain S&B and 115 grain Blazer brass works great with my Sigs and HK's. I didn't care much for Independence 115 grain.

someoneeasy
11-30-2014, 1:04 PM
There was a 10" difference. I don't know if the sights contributed to it as well, seeing that Warren/Sevignys are taller.

At what range?

rojocorsa
11-30-2014, 1:04 PM
The reason I started this is because I am wondering if I should give it another chance for the range.

The range was like 10 or 15 yds. I think 10.

Im not the best pistol shot, but I also know what I shoot like normally. (That instance was abnormal). I was with another person and it also shot all over the place for them.


Or maybe it was because it was ****ty Winchester bulk 115? It did cycle just fine.

MA5177
11-30-2014, 1:07 PM
It shoots way off on my GLOCK 17 with Warren sights, so I just shoot 124gr NATO spec. This goes for all of my nines (M-9 and G.19). The 124g NATO seems to function well and I am happy with its price, so yeah.

I haven't actually tried any other 9mm loads yet.

IMO there is no way a 9g difference in bullet weight will make a gun shoot way off. If that gun was in a ransom rest I bet they go through the same hole, it's probably just mental.

Olav
11-30-2014, 1:07 PM
It shoots way off on my GLOCK 17 with Warren sights, so I just shoot 124gr NATO spec. This goes for all of my nines (M-9 and G.19). The 124g NATO seems to function well and I am happy with its price, so yeah.

I haven't actually tried any other 9mm loads yet.

115 isn't very accurate but it's cheap. If you get good at shooting the crappy 115 switching too good ammo makes you feel like you can't miss anything. That's how I felt one day shooting some free really good quality ammo at plates. I was knocking them down really fast, I felt I couldn't miss. Back to the crappy ammo I had to be super careful to stick to my basic gun handling skills.

Swampcrip
11-30-2014, 1:09 PM
It shoots way off on my GLOCK 17 with Warren sights, so I just shoot 124gr NATO spec. This goes for all of my nines (M-9 and G.19). The 124g NATO seems to function well and I am happy with its price, so yeah.

I haven't actually tried any other 9mm loads yet.

Could be your sights. I had same issues when I had warren sights until I realised that they aren't exactly target sights. I now use trijicon hd and couldnt be happier. If you are only target shooting ditch the warrens unless you plan on competition shooting.

Black Majik
11-30-2014, 1:09 PM
No issues 115 gr factory ammo, or 115gr bullets in any of my 9mm pistols.

saudadeii
11-30-2014, 1:10 PM
Nope.

teflondog
11-30-2014, 1:11 PM
Blazer Brass 115gr is my favorite 9mm factory ammo for plinking. From 10 yards I can keep all rounds within a 1.5" hole. My USP, Glock 19, XD, and M&P 9 are all accurate with that ammo.

rojocorsa
11-30-2014, 1:22 PM
Could be your sights. I had same issues when I had warren sights until I realised that they aren't exactly target sights. I now use trijicon hd and couldnt be happier. If you are only target shooting ditch the warrens unless you plan on competition shooting.

It could be that. I did consider it to possibly be and issue.

I bought the Warren/Sevignys at the beginning of the year because I heard they were some of the best for Glocks.

The G.19 I bought comes with Trijicon 3 dot sights and I noticed the front isn't as tall as the Sevignys.

Maybe I should switch them out?



Damn shame if this is the case because they do give you a very nice sight picture.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1622849_3889110203784_1973506682_n.jpg?oh=3096ca89 f46075adc0437ac876b2e1ce&oe=550B8CB5&__gda__=1426198617_98dd32456ed44ed501e6b68887d1bb1 d

BigBamBoo
11-30-2014, 1:28 PM
My STI Edge does not shoot UMC 115gr worth a crap, but pretty much any other brand of 115gr it shoots VERY well.

I shoot 115's through my 9mm carbine as well out to 100 yards and have no problems keeping hits on a 8" plates.

Swampcrip
11-30-2014, 1:46 PM
It could be that. I did consider it to possibly be and issue.

I bought the Warren/Sevignys at the beginning of the year because I heard they were some of the best for Glocks.

The G.19 I bought comes with Trijicon 3 dot sights and I noticed the front isn't as tall as the Sevignys.

Maybe I should switch them out?



Damn shame if this is the case because they do give you a very nice sight picture.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1622849_3889110203784_1973506682_n.jpg?oh=3096ca89 f46075adc0437ac876b2e1ce&oe=550B8CB5&__gda__=1426198617_98dd32456ed44ed501e6b68887d1bb1 d

I say switch them out. The combat sights are good if you are running and gunning. I would strongly recommend the trijicon HD night sights. The sight picture is excellent and target acquisition is incredible. I shoot both eyes open and woth the HD sights I can tag 10 clays in a row at about 10 yards no problem with rapid shots. ( probably not impressive for most others in here but when I was able to put round where I wanted and fast I was happy with my purchase.)

smak28
11-30-2014, 2:04 PM
There was a 10" difference. I don't know if the sights contributed to it as well, seeing that Warren/Sevignys are taller.

Factory ammo will not have a 10" difference regardless how bad the batch is especially at 10yds. Don't give up on the ammo. Sounds like you just need to practice more on the fundamentals...grip, sight, breathing, and trigger control.

Carcassonne
11-30-2014, 2:29 PM
Back in the 1980's 115 grain didn't function in most 9mm guns. They were made to shoot heavier 124/125 grain bullets. I think my Gen1 G17 also had problems with 115 grain bullets. My Steyr GB would only work with 124+ grain ammo.


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_TomT_
11-30-2014, 2:33 PM
I don't like shooting steel with it since it rarely knocks anything down. Also forget trying to switch up the plates on the tree with 115gr.

ArchangelZeroSix
11-30-2014, 2:37 PM
I use 115gr Fiocchi in my G19 and I haven't noticed any problems.

'ol shooter
11-30-2014, 2:37 PM
Shoots great in all 3 of our 92's and M&P Compact. My favorite weight to load.

Chapped Hide
11-30-2014, 2:39 PM
I only shoot 124's, just personal preference. The difference in cost vs 115's is minimal and there is a minimal perceived difference in muzzle flip. YMMV

erik_26
11-30-2014, 2:41 PM
It shoots way off on my GLOCK 17 with Warren sights, so I just shoot 124gr NATO spec. This goes for all of my nines (M-9 and G.19). The 124g NATO seems to function well and I am happy with its price, so yeah.

I haven't actually tried any other 9mm loads yet.

I shoot 115 grain home made reloads with zero issues.

My home made rounds are more accurate than most bulk ammo.

My SD/HD rounds are factory.

razr
11-30-2014, 2:42 PM
Never had any problems with 115, inexpensive plinking ammo.

heidad01
11-30-2014, 2:45 PM
^^ What he said sums it up.

If one shoots straight, he/she will be shooting the same with any grain bullet, especially in an indoor or short range. At 100 yards, your hold over is going to be a little different. Do not worry about it until you shoots consistent 2 to 3" groups at around 10 yards.
Most reloads are 115 grain simply because it is less expensive.

DRAB_81
11-30-2014, 3:10 PM
It could be that. I did consider it to possibly be and issue.

I bought the Warren/Sevignys at the beginning of the year because I heard they were some of the best for Glocks.

The G.19 I bought comes with Trijicon 3 dot sights and I noticed the front isn't as tall as the Sevignys.

Maybe I should switch them out?



Damn shame if this is the case because they do give you a very nice sight picture.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1622849_3889110203784_1973506682_n.jpg?oh=3096ca89 f46075adc0437ac876b2e1ce&oe=550B8CB5&__gda__=1426198617_98dd32456ed44ed501e6b68887d1bb1 d




I have Sevigny sights on all my Glocks (3 GEN 4 9mm's - 17,19,34) & haven't had any noticeable POA/POI change at 10yds with ANY 9mm ammo. Even at 25yds I've never had a 10" difference in POI.

For my eyes, nothing is better than the Sevigny sight picture. This is what I see when I'm shooting.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/rabara9/SevignySightPicture.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/user/rabara9/media/SevignySightPicture.jpg.html)

Also, yes the Sevigny front sight is taller than the Trijicon, but that's to compensate for the height of the Sevigny rear sight.

stormvet
11-30-2014, 3:10 PM
No fan of 115, only shoot 124 or 147 and I reload. But no way the accuracy should be that bad, something else is a foot.

vintagearms
11-30-2014, 3:27 PM
If your shooting POA/POI with the Warren sights and your using 124 grain ammo and its right on, there should be no appreciable difference using 115 grain ammo.

static2126
11-30-2014, 4:28 PM
There was a 10" difference. I don't know if the sights contributed to it as well, seeing that Warren/Sevignys are taller.

10", it is the shooter not the ammo or the gun. I am in the bay area too and would be happy to meet with you if you need a second pair of eyes

poriggity
11-30-2014, 5:35 PM
I've run roughly 1200 rounds through my xd9 of differing brands 115 gr with no issues.

penguinofsleep
11-30-2014, 5:38 PM
prefer generally 124 but 115 costs less and is easier to shoot fast in some guns.

SonofWWIIDI
11-30-2014, 5:53 PM
Yeah, that stuff sucks!

Send it all to me and I'll make sure it gets disposed of properly!

:p

uhlan1
11-30-2014, 6:19 PM
Aren't the Warren/Sevigny sights set for 20 yards? Competition sights, not bullseye.

smak28
11-30-2014, 6:51 PM
OP - Where do you go shoot? You can have the range master at your range test the ammo. If you go to Jackson Arms, I can test it for you. Just be prepared to realize that the answer will not be the ammo. :rolleyes:

.45 ACP
11-30-2014, 6:54 PM
I'm dead nuts accurate using Winchester white box 115 grain with my Beretta 92f. I stack it cheap and deep in my ammo locker.

Germz
11-30-2014, 6:57 PM
ammunition doesn't really affect accuracy, it affect precision.

bsg
11-30-2014, 7:48 PM
the 9mm pistols i've owned have done well with 115 gr. the old Winchester 115 gr Silvertip and Federal 115 gr 9BP are longtime favorites of w german Sig Sauer 9mm pistols.

96chevjumps
11-30-2014, 9:35 PM
No real point of aim shift until 80/100 yards. Slip some snap caps in the mag, I would think your dipping before the shot exits. I bet with the snappier 124 nato your just not noticing as much because that stuff is pretty hot and is already gone by the time your preparing for recoil by dipping the gun down and forward.

Yes milliseconds matter.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
11-30-2014, 9:47 PM
I haven't observed anything similar to the OP's experience. My Glocks and JR Carbine digest 115 grain bulk ammo as easily as they do 124 or 147 grain. There is a minor difference in POI between the various loads as might be expected, but nothing similar to what the OP relates. I suspect another source for his troubles.

MontClaire
11-30-2014, 9:52 PM
No, it's just you.

CMBrowning
12-01-2014, 3:21 AM
I don't think it matters enough to be a problem. Most shooters are limited by their own ability than their gear/ammo choice.



YEP!

North Bay Guy
12-01-2014, 3:36 AM
The distance you're shooting at, the brand of ammo and the sights are all gonna have an affect on where the rounds hit. If you haven't already try some different brands of ammo. It's also possible that your technique is causing the shots to hit high.

Patermagnus
12-01-2014, 8:26 AM
No problems with 115gr at all.

JackRydden224
12-01-2014, 9:00 AM
I have no problem with 115gr. Put the gun on a rest and see how it shoots. Let someone else try the gun and ammo to see if they have the same problem.

jpx0123
12-01-2014, 10:52 AM
I use blazer brass 115gr 9mm all the time. this is my last range trip with it a couple of weeks ago at 7 yards. head shots are my buddy, center mass are mine. works fine and pretty consistent for me. the round can do better than my shooting for sure.

slayer61
12-01-2014, 11:12 AM
I've been using 115 exclusively for the last 7 months and the results were, meh...

So I was missing the "POP" of a sharper round and went to 124's and I like them a lot. Granted, it's more than 1 mag, but pretty good results.

http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o786/slayersixty1/11-309mmtarget_zps9d737c9e.jpg (http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/slayersixty1/media/11-309mmtarget_zps9d737c9e.jpg.html)

Top = Shield & bottom = 2022 both at 7.5 yards

.45 ACP
12-01-2014, 11:20 AM
Umm, not trying to bust any balls here, or pretend to be a Navy SEAL marksman, but at 7.5 yards, I can get groupings like that using 115 grain fairly easy.

I honestly don't get the 115 grain hate.

dkthree
12-01-2014, 11:23 AM
I've never had "problems" with 115's but always preferred 147's. A little more accurate and less perceived recoil (in my mind anyway).

I've also noticed that for me, the 9mm 115's are the hardest to flip a MGM spinner.

rojocorsa
12-01-2014, 11:59 AM
Maybe I jumped the gun. The time I bought the bulk Winchester White Box, it was only 200 rnds. (They were cheap!). So yeah, my sample size is only 200 rnds through that one G.17.

I noticed the POI and the POA were off for both of us shooting on that day.

I know I am not the best pistol shot, but damn I know what my shooting looks like and it didn't look like that on that day.


(Now the one thing that I notice I tend to do with most handguns is that I shoot low mostly 6 oclock and slightly to the right sometimes. This is while pointing at the bullseye in the middle of a round target.) I am left handed.

Treb5
12-01-2014, 1:19 PM
Much the same as above. All my 9mm plinking is with 115g ammo. Never a problem.

S&W SD
12-01-2014, 1:27 PM
I haven't really noticed a difference to be honest ...

i keep 9mm in a big box mix and match . no difference for me .

between nato and 115 .. but im sure someone smarter and more experienced than me will know the answer

himurax13
12-01-2014, 1:51 PM
I prefer the slightly less snappy feel of the 124 vs the 115 when you are rapid firing. Other than that, the difference is almost negligible.

PyroFox79
12-01-2014, 2:05 PM
I shoot whatever I could get my hands on with my 92fs. I never noticed an accuracy difference. Hell I qualled for my exposed firearms permit with blazer steel cased and got 250/250

S&W SD
12-01-2014, 2:10 PM
I shoot whatever I could get my hands on with my 92fs. I never noticed an accuracy difference. Hell I qualled for my exposed firearms permit with blazer steel cased and got 250/250

i just put a few hundred blazer brass threw my baby
got them 25 $ for 100 . put 500 hundred down range

no issues at all .. other than the pink looking bullet blazer brass is good in my opinion

Ronin2
12-01-2014, 2:54 PM
I only shoot new factory ammo and use 115gr 9mm in all my 9mm as training and IDPA competition ammo. I have never had a bad round or any accuracy issues; no stoppages of any kind and I have been Shooting maybe 10,000 rnds / year for a number of years. Absolutely no accuracy issues at all but at handgun ranges tenets shouldn't be any noticeable differences in factory ammo loaded to SAAMI spec.

Weapons:
SiG P226mk25
SiG P226 stainless
SiG P226 (WGERMAN)
SiG P228 (WGERMAN)
SiG P6 (WGERMAN)
HK P7M13
HK VP9
Browning Hi Power (FTE with WWB and I'm told its because of sloped rim design in WWB)
Walther P99
CZ 75

Ammo:
Federal Target
Winchester white box
American Eagle
Remington UMC
Fiocchi

I don't really notice any difference between 115g and 124g 9mm target ammo. I can differentiate between 115g target ammo and 9mm NATO (124g) when shooting thru a mixed magazine.

Saym14
12-01-2014, 8:39 PM
All my guns shoot 115 just fine

BoJackUSMC
12-01-2014, 9:02 PM
All my Glock eats just about anything, 115, 124, 147

bsg
12-02-2014, 7:49 AM
115 gr has been around for awhile….