Supreme Court's Future Hinges on Election

[PatriotnMore]

Myself and others have expressed we feel the real importance of this election of the POTUS, is mainly important in terms of the goal, who will be appointed to the SCOTUS.
This is another article which I hope will remind everyone just how important their vote is to the future of our country, the constitution, the security our rights in the future, and the protection of them.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27040608

[nicki]

Sad but true.

IMHO if McCain loses this election, he has himself to blame.

Palin challenged her own party in Alaska, while McCain has stood his own, the public perception tying him to Bush is tanking his campagin.

The SCOTUS is critical and I hope it is an issue that will sway enough voters to McCain. Unfortunately the economy trumps the SCOTUS for most people.

Voters are not happy with Bush, and voters believe Obama will change direction.

McCain has yet to convince people he will be significantly different than Bush.
Hopefully this will come up in the elections.

If he fails to do this, Obama will win and probably will have the opportunity to name new justices.

I suspect many of the old Liberals will retire if Obama gets elected and they will be replaced with young blood.

Our only hope is that we retain a majority of pro gun senators and that questioning on the Heller case will keep anti gun Judges off the bench.

Perhaps this will motivate the right to life people to really mobilize.

Obama's true color will come out within the first 100 days of office.

We will have alot of work to do between 2008 and 2010.

Nicki

[PatriotnMore]

The fact that we will end up with a liberal democratic legislative, judicial, and executive branch is unthinkable, and people better start thinking hard about this. This removes most checks and balances in our government, not good for many political issues, of which, 2A is only one of.

[fullrearview]

Unfortunately people don't realize the importance of this. Heck, we were 1 vote away from losing our 2A!! that scares me! Obama will run this country into the ground, but that's what social activists want.

[odysseus]

It continues to amaze me that on a 2nd Amendment supporting, RKBA forum like Calguns, those here that support Obama refuse to acknowledge this very important fact nor the history and future action Obama and a Demo congress will have on firearms rights for the people.

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[Alan Block]

Bush has already run this country into the ground

Most of the building blocks of this debacle were put into play during his watch and under a republican congress. The ill concieved war in Iraq has cost 4000 lives and many more dollars. Between him and Clinton, there is no dignity left in the office!

[odysseus]

Most of the building blocks of this debacle were put into play during his watch and under a republican congress. The ill concieved war in Iraq has cost 4000 lives and many more dollars. Between him and Clinton, there is no dignity left in the office!

What's your point?

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[yellowfin]

This is why we need to work for permanent victories instead of temporary ones. We need to do a better job of breaking down anti 2A organizations and infrastructure to halt the process instead of at best always having it be a coin toss. TPFI is only the product, not the process.

[rayra]

This topic's pointless. The only judges too old or senile to stay on the Court are all the Tranzis, anyway. An Obama presidency would only have opportunity to replace Tranzis with Tranzis. Thus no change in the makeup of the court. And with Chief Justice Roberts only in his middle years.
An OBama Presidency would wreck a great many things within his four year term. But the SCOTUS will not be one of them.


Worry FAR more about the hundreds of Federal judges that would be appointed by Obama, to fill the seats the Democrats and RINOs (like f'n Specter) have deliberately not filled during the Bush Presidency. Worry about truly, because we still suffer every day as a Nation because of some of the judicial scum Bill Clinton put in place.

[yellowfin]

^ Again, as I was saying that means we need to start focusing on law schools and the other mechanisms which produce these people who would be in the position to later on become federal judges. What is laying the eggs is the question.

[Glock22Fan]

An Obama presidency would only have opportunity to replace Tranzis with Tranzis.

Maybe, but have you never heard of traffic accidents, plane crashes and relatively young people having strokes or heart attacks?

Point 1. Obama might well have to replace some of the younger Justices

Point 2. Even if you are right and only the old ones will die in the next four years, then it would still be good, from a long term perspective, to be able to replace them with Justices more to our way of thinking.

A 5:4 judgement on Heller isn't something we should be complacent about.

[CoinStar]

It continues to amaze me that on a 2nd Amendment supporting, RKBA forum like Calguns, those here that support Obama refuse to acknowledge this very important fact nor the history and future action Obama and a Demo congress will have on firearms rights for the people.

Who is refusing to acknowledge this "very important fact"? More importantly, where is the guarantee that a McCain presidency would (or even could) indeed stack the court with justices who are friendly to the cause?

With respect to the intended sentiments that motivated this thread, I found this tidbit from the article rather ironic:

"Both men have ready evidence that even justices they hold up as examples do not always decide issues the way they would like. Roberts and Alito are deeply suspicious of McCain's landmark legislative accomplishment, the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill, and have voted to strike parts of it as unconstitutional."

McCain, enemy of the NRA for years for his support of the cited legislation, is being held up as our go-to-guy to secure our 2nd Amendment rights? Hah.

Besides all that, there are bigger issues at the moment that will likely have a longer lasting effect on us all. I wonder sometimes if people read the news.

[CoinStar]

A 5:4 judgement on Heller isn't something we should be complacent about.

Agreed.
However, it also isn't something worth grinding our teeth over as it's unlikely to be overturned anytime soon.

[PatriotnMore]

Who is refusing to acknowledge this "very important fact"? More importantly, where is the guarantee that a McCain presidency would (or even could) indeed stack the court with justices who are friendly to the cause?

There is no guarentee(s), however if you will take the time to look at voting record, and history of the two candidates in politics, you will see the obvious differences, and likelyhood of what types of judges they will appoint.

McCain, enemy of the NRA for years for his support of the cited legislation, is being held up as our go-to-guy to secure our 2nd Amendment rights? Hah.

Enemy, really? The NRA has given McCain a C+ rating, they have had some differences, but hardly is he the enemy. to quote "But this week the N.R.A.’s executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, told The Louisville Courier-Journal that there were “vast numbers of areas” in which Mr. McCain and the gun lobby agreed" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/17/us.../17mccain.html Lest we forget his VP nominne is a member of the NRA.

Besides all that, there are bigger issues at the moment that will likely have a longer lasting effect on us all. I wonder sometimes if people read the news.

That is exactly the type of short term thinking which Obama's campaign want s to see. How about adding some long term thinking into your thought process, and looking at all the facts, records, and history. If after that, you still come up with the same conclusion, we are simply at different ends of the political spectrum.

[.454]

It continues to amaze me that on a 2nd Amendment supporting, RKBA forum like Calguns, those here that support Obama refuse to acknowledge this very important fact nor the history and future action Obama and a Demo congress will have on firearms rights for the people.

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Firearms are just a hobby for them.