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Old 04-22-2008, 10:45 PM
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Angry Recognizing a FAKE Aimpoint 3X Magnifier

Recognizing a FAKE Aimpoint 3X Magnifier.
Here is my story. While I got "Took" from a major supplier, they are NOT a Industry Partner at ARFCOm that I could tell.
I recently went to a large Gun Show at a Casino. I visited a MAJOR supplier of tactical gear, AR parts, Optics etc booth. I have been dealing with this company for about 10 years purchasing tactical products, AR parts, and Optics all purchased from their website and at gunshows. This has been a bad experience since I believe I got "TOOK" by a once reputable company that went to the "dark Side" to make a buck at their consumer's expense.
It was just about closing for the day of the Show and I was accompanied by one of my buddies and fellow gunsmith's who is also a retired officer with whom I worked with for 15 years.
I shopped this companies booth and purchased numerous, numerous parts, AR trigger group parts, magazines, MagPul Mag Plates, Tac Light, Tac AR case +++.
I spotted an AIMPOINT 3X Magnifyer behind the glass next to many other AIMPOINT Optic's (At least 10 optics were displayed). I had just purchased a AIMPOINT 3X from the EE board but had not yet received it. I wanted another 3X for another weapon. I asked to see the clearly marked "AIMPOINT" 3X mag from a salesman standing next to the owner. I checked it out, and purchased that also. I looked through it around the showroom, but I had looked through so many in the past I was not looking for anything other than the glass was not damaged. The price verbally was $500 which, "...included the twistmount".
Everything was packaged into several bags and I walked away as security was escorting show goer's out of the doors since it was closed for the day. I was excited because I had just spent $900 + for many toys just at that booth, and I had picked up many other hard-to-find items since the show was out of Kalifornia. I paid with cash. I bought so much that the owner and salesman threw in some free batteries for the Tac Light.
When I got home I discovered there was not a receipt in the bags, and the AIMPOINT MAG was in a plain cardboard box with no "Aimpoint" writing like all of my other (4) Aimpoint products.
I checked out the MAG and immediately became suspicious. I e-mailed the company requesting a receipt for my purchase of the MAG until I could verify it was a fake.
I searched the companys web site and they did not offer ANY Fake 'AIMPOINT marked' products. They offered one "Aimpoint style" magnifyer but it looked like the Eotech Magnifier in the pic.
I received a Genuine AIMPOINT 3X MAG with Sampson Flip Mount from the EE and compared it to the suspect MAG I had just purchased.
In comparison, I found that the FAKE optics were not bad, but certainly not as clear as the Genuine AIMPOINT. The outer areas of the Optics were shadowed, and the low-light transmission was far below the genuine's crisp optics.
I visited several Airsoft and Paint Ball websites and found my exact FAKE Aimpoint for $99. I e-mailed a rather nasty e-mail to the company which charged me $500 for a FAKE AIMPOINT.
I got a phone call from the owner the next day. He claimed I was told by the salesman that the MAG was a fake made by "West Tech". I explained I DO NOT buy fake, inferior products, and I strongly disagree with any company selling fake label anything particulalry a once reputible company like theirs who is a supplier for the military and Law Enforcement (I purchased some A.R.M.S. products and a AIMPOINT 2C Red Dot for my son on his first tour of Iraq / Afghanistan from this company). My life depends on my products so I buy Quality EVERYTHING! He argued back and forth and claimed he did not witness the entire transaction. Since I did not have a receipt, I could not tell how much I had paid except that the salesman told me $500 for the FAKE POINT Mag.
I quickly realized I was at a HUGE disadvantage (Do to my own fault for not looking for a receipt at the time of purchase, particularly for warranty work in the future), and would be lucky to get any money back if I wasn't careful.
The owner said he could not possibly be selling a REAL AIMPOINT 3X MAG since "Aimpoint Inc. hasn’t shipped a 3x Magnifier to ANY suppliers since the fall of ‘07."
I argued over and over that the salesman did NOT tell me it was a 'fake', or that it was from “West Tech”, because if he did I would not have bought a F’ing thing from their booth if that is how they operated, displaying a FAKE Aimpoint next to real (?) Aimpoint optics. The conversation degraded and the owner said he would accept a return, even without a receipt, BUT for the price of $249 which is what I 'had to have paid for it'. He said he has a return policy and was allowing me to return the product if I was not satisfied with the product, NOT because it was a fake Aimpoint.
I have since sent it back and am awaiting a check for the return. I tried installing two ambidextrous, Select-fire selector switches in some AR’s and they both broke just from installing them. They were very cheap cast and could easily cost a customer their life if they depended on it in a life or death situation.
I have a suspicion that I will never see a refund check, or the 'FAKE POINT' again since they will not acknowledge in writing that I could return the product, and I never had a receipt. It is my opinion that they were intentionally ripping off gunshow customers and not giving them receipts.
I will wait for a refund, then I will contact AIMPOINT and ask if they are interested in an Authorized AIMPOINT dealer selling FAKE Aimpoints side-by-side with the genuine AIMPOINT optics.
Anyway – I have compiled pic’s of side-by-side Genuine Aimpoint 3X Magnifiers next to the Clone’s for easy identification.
1). Packaging ALL Genuine AIMPOINT products come in AIMPOINT Boxes listed in the first 2 photos. If it is a plain box, then it is BOGUS! FAKEPOINT is on the left.


Image of the contents of the plain box showing the twist mount sealed. I could not photo the twist mount since it was sealed in a separate wrapper that was semi-transparent. I did not want to break the seal since it may void returning it. Although the mount did appear to be well made.

2). The AIMPOINT name Font is a dead giveaway and is what I noticed after the packaging. The Chinese got this one wrong, since AIMPOINT obviously uses a proprietary font. You can see the fake on the left has a slightly italisized font. Every AIMPOINT product I own uses the exact same font.
SEE #3 because I was limited in pic's I could post
3). The two screw locations are different from genuine to fake. Once again the FAKE is on the left in the pic. The screw comparison to the genuine was similar, except that the Allen socket size is slightly smaller on the genuine, and larger on the FAKE. You can also see the screw locations. One screw is on the same side as the name font on both, but the second screw on the FAKE is 180 degrees opposite from the genuine MAG second screw.

4). The bottom of the FAKE was of poor quality Along with the rubber cut-away at the Cinese factory on the FAKE to allow the FAKE to twist into the mount. I believe the Genuine Aimpoint must have the rubber cut away by the customer. The bottom of my Genuine AIMPOINT was already mounted on an awesome Sampson flip mount so I didn’t want to take it off. However the FAKE had the rubber carelessly cut away leaving a long slice that shows it’s poor quality control. I could not compare the screw size for bottom mounting but I suspect they are courser threads than the Genuine AIMPOINT Mag. The FAKE is on the left showing the slice.

5). The front lense threads are also a obvious giveaway The FAKE has coarse threads in this pic. While the Genuine AIMPOINT had much finer threads at the exit glass in the next pic.


6). It did not have the genuine “AIMPOINT” style font.
7). Finally, the directions for use literature enclosed was very close to the Genuine AIMPOINT literature. However, upon closer inspection of the grayscale photo of the Mg body, it was obviously a photocopy on the same weight paper. I could tell it was a copy because the areas where there was fine shading in the Genuine literature, the shading was “grainy” in the FAKE literature.

I hope this helps. See here for tips on identifying FAKE AIMPOINT Red Dot Scopes, Courtesey from ARFCOM http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...=367860&page=1
I'll keep you up-do-date on my return and what AIMPOINT has to say. If I do not get a return, I will burn this company here, so our members don't get burned from their dishonesty. I will risk getting my account locked to do it.
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Old 04-22-2008, 10:57 PM
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Sorry that you got taken by a sales person out to make quick buck.
I hope that the owner refunds all the money.

I have no problem buying copies as long as they identify as a copy. But misleading it as genuine and charging that much, that is just disgusting.

I hope it works out.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:04 PM
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Jesus. i wish you best of luck in this. have you posted this up in arf?
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:21 AM
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Jesus. i wish you best of luck in this. have you posted this up in arf?
YEP! It's posted in ARFCOM under "How to recognize a Fake AIMPOINT" which is a tacked thread. The thread is the one referred to in my post here.

I agree that there are sports where you don't need high dollar, quality optics, but I am against ANY optic that bears a false trademark name. It creates confusion and problems for those that can't spot the differences when either selling them or buying them.
E-Bay is a good example of how many rip-off's occur daily.

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Old 04-23-2008, 2:55 PM
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Can we look forward to the name of this MAJOR supplier in the near future.

Sorry for your loss, this should give many people a wake up as to what can happen if you shop with this MAJOR supplier.
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I can understand if the OP doesn't want to mention the name until after they get some satisfaction from said supplier but I certainly hope that they are named at some point so that others will be wary.

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Dude, you already got burned so why not disclose the name to prevent this from happening to someone who may not be able to tell the difference?
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Lesson? Contact Aimpoint for a ist of authorized dealers and deal with them. Caveat emptor.
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By the way. the Dealer who sold me the Clone is listed on AIMPOINT's website as an authorized dealer.

A letter I recently sent to AIMPOINT

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Good day-

I recently had a poor experience with one of AIMPOINT's authorized Aimpoint dealer's at a Gunshow. This dealer had a booth that had numerous "Aimpoint" marked Optics in the same case side-by-side with Genuine Aimpoint optics. I purchased an "Aimpoint" marked 3X Magnfier from their booth. I inspected it briefly and it appeared to be a genuine Aimpoint. I purchased many items from that booth and discovered there was no receipt in the bag when I got it home. I dealt mostly with a salesman, however the owner was standing there watching the transaction, and there were no other customers, or salesmen at the booth at the time. The transaction was also witnessed by my friend, and retired Police Officer. I am also a retired Police Officer. I had been dealing with this Dealer for years so I did not suspect the dealer, or owner who was standing watching me purchase, would stoop to selling Cloned items. Had I known the magnifier was a clone I never would have purchased it. My life depends on quality optics and I would never use a substandard optic on a firearm that is protecting my life. I have also purchased an Aimpoint ML2 for my son who is stationed in Iraq. I would never bet my son's life on a substandard optic either.
The Magnifier was in a plain, unmarked cardboard box. I compared it to my 3 Aimpoint Comp C's and a genuine Aimpoint 3X Magnifier.
I submitted a e-mail from the dealer requesting a receipt. The owner of the Company called me and we discussed the subject of selling false trademark Aimpoint optics. He claimed the salesman told me it was not a true Aimpoint, made by "West Tech(?)" and I could not possibly have paid full price for it because the only magnifiers he was selling were the Fake Aimpoint's since AIMPOINT had not shipped a 3x Magnifier since fall 2007. The owner claimed he never heard his salesman make that statement to me. There were no signs or notices in their gunshow display adviseing some of the optics on display were "clones".
The Dealer does not offer the Clone 'Aimpoint' marked magnifier listed on thier website.
The fact that an Authorized AIMPOINT dealer, listed on the AIMPOINT website, did not seem bothered by selling optics bearing the Aimpoint name which is a violation of numerous trade, Patent, and Trademark violation laws.
I have a complaint with the Dealer in which I believe I was charged full price for the 'clone' Aimpoint Magnifier, but the owner would only offer a refund of $249. I have since returned the Clone Magnifier for a partial refund of $249. I took many photos of the magnifier before returning it.
It is without a doubt a Fake, 'Aimpoint' marked Clone.
I think AIMPOINT should be interested in this 'Authorized Dealer's' disregard for AIMPOINT's products.
I do not want to disclose the Dealer and owner name until I receive my partial refund from them. Since I do not have any proof by receipt, or acknowledgemnt in writing of my purchase, I need to get get my refund while I can.
What is AIMPOINT's stance on this?
I would be happy to give you the Dealer name after I get my refund.
Many serious shooters, Law Enforcement, and Military acquaintances of mine would also like to know AIMPOINT's position of Authorized, or UnAuthorized Dealers selling Fake AImpoint optics bearing the AIMPOINT name?

Sincerely,

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Very disconcerting for Aimpoint and many other vendors.
If there is no trust, then what is left.
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so i'm guessin we're gonna have to wait it out to get the name of this company...next week?
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if i want to buy junk..ok no problem..i can all ways buy another ...when the first one dumps.


but if i want the good stuff, (as i normally do) i do not want to by a cheep knock off.

very bad form to just copy and cheat the customer.

awaiting name so i can stay clear of them...





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Wardog,

Ouch! My apologies. I didn't realize or grasp the depth of the deception here.

It's unfortunate you did not have a receipt, which makes things much tougher moving forward.

I don't wish to sound too pessimistic, and you've already mentioned this in the first post, but since they have their fake 3x magnifier back, were willing to lie to you in the first place, have your money, already have not agreed to a full refund, and have yet to be disclosed by name, I feel they could use the time to cover their *ss and move on. Your letter to Aimpoint was worthy, but since they don't have a name of their two-faced authorized dealer, there is nothing that can be done. In fact, your name and credibility could be under attack as we speak, and as you know, the "he said/he said" bit ends up being a wash, with the dealer the winner because, in a best case scenario, he already has $250 of your money for nothing, and worst case, possibly twice that.

The internet is a powerful thing, and since you have put together a powerful argument and analysis in photos, and we assume you are sincere and straightforward, you must name names to get the desired result, which is to expose this charlatan and prevent other fellow shooters from making the same mistake. Nothing like the bright light of truth to make a cockroach scatter.

Good luck, and best wishes.

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You should have paid with a Credit Card, if it was an option. You would have no problem getting your money back with a CC purchase.

When you lay down that much money be very careful on what you are getting and always use a CC if it is an option.

The tubes on the real Aimpoint Magnifiers are made in China. There is not much that can go wrong on a magnifier. They are simple, easy and low cost to manufacture. Aimpoint over charges for them. No way would I ever pay $500 for a magnifier.



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i think that booth attendant was working for himself that day

if you paid cash he would pocket the difference ring up the $249 and pocket the diff and "forget" to give a receipt
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The tubes on the real Aimpoint Magnifiers are made in China. There is not much that can go wrong on a magnifier. They are simple, easy and low cost to manufacture. Aimpoint over charges for them. No way would I ever pay $500 for a magnifier.

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so what's the deal? who was the offending Vendor?

inquiring minds want to know.
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I'm sure the OP does not wish to post the vendors name until this situation gets resolved.
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Wardog....

I know that it is frustrating...but as another has stated..the internet is a powerful tool.

I would contact the seller with a link to this thread and to the one on ARF.com...and let him know in no uncertain terms that you are going to out him and his deceptive practice if he does not return / refund your money. He will feel the pinch if all of a sudden his business at the gunshows drops off 20 - 30 - 40% or more. And if it is a vendor that I will see at a local show..I will mention that I will not spend any of my money on his booth due to what has transpired.

Money talks...and if he feels that this selfish act will cost him significant business in the near future...hopefully he will think twice and do the right thing.
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Ok, been 3 weeks since the original OP post...

any news on the offending Vendor?
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Wondering the same thing, any new news?
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I telephoned the secretary on Monday, May 5th. I obviously caught her off guard bevause she was stuttering when I asked her if she received my return. She said she had "...just received it. It's sitting on my desk but I haven't opened it". She's not being truthful either because she should have received it at the very least a week earlier. I have her name and she verified that they received it.
My guess is that she is waiting for direction from the owner since as of today I still not received a refund "check".
I am sticking with my plan to get half of my original purchase price refunded before I disclose them. At this point they WILL be disclosed and I hope that it affects their business.
I consider myself a reputable guy, have a good name in my community and the firearms community both locally and nationally (I was in an article for our gunshop in the May/June issue of American Handgunner magazine pg #49.)
I am also the President of a 127 year old Sporting Club.
I can purchase anything, including a new truck, in my community with just a handshake if that says anything to my character.
I have NO reason to lie.
Yes they have my bogus scope and my money at this time, but I need to get as much back as I possibly can. $250 is a lot of money!
Sad to say though, but Aimpoint has not responded to my letter.
I am going to resend it and try and speak with the Aimpoint USA man on the phone.
I will keep you all informed.
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THats disappointing to hear that AImpoint doesn't seem to even care that a dealer of theirs is selling counterfeit merchandise and passing them off as Aimpoints. I would think they have something to be gained by knowing about this.
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I am sorry but I hate any and all Chinese manufacturers that make copies (almost identical without examining them and noticing the poor quality.) There is only one reason to make something identical to another product and give it the same name, and that is to rip people off by making them think it is the real thing.
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People go again blaming the wrong people..

Its the Entrepreneur who wanted to make money by getting a manufacture to make a clone of a item for less. It was the entrepreneur who sold it to the dealer, then the dealer didnt bother to make sure it was a real item or maybe they did, and sold it to you telling you it was real.

The manufacture might not have known any better maybe they did.. who knows..

Also buying at gun shows far from home or held every once in a while is another problem, they think you will never see them again..
copies are good for airsoft guns...

To the OP though, sorry for the loss, Id put the blame on the seller 100%.
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to OP. In your second letter to Aimpoint, mention this thread & the one on ARF.com . It might light a fire under their arse to investigate this matter as their products good name is being drgged thru the mud by one of their authorized dealer.

Oh! do tell who it is.... This guy needs to be squeezed financially.
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Anything happen here?
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found this over at arf


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YES! SOG ARMORY are the folks selling FAKE AIMPOINT Clones representing them as real. I know it will be hard to believe, but without a doubt it is SOG Armory. The owner, 'Mark' was personally at the gun show with many, FAKE Aimpoints under his case. I dealt with him specifically in my complaint, and he is the person who signed the partial refund check. I have been purchasing from them for years which adds insult to injury to my pocketbook. He never admitted that their booth represented the Clones as real, and dodged my questions about even carrying trademark violation items. ALSO, I bought 3 ambidextrous AR selector levers. One broke while installing, a second broke with minor pressure and I threw away the third since my life depends on my weaponry. It's sad that SOG armory seems to have gone "Chicom" with their parts while still charging for quality parts.
Sog quickly removed all clones from their website during my beef, but they are back on the website again. click on this link SOG ARMORY CHICOM 3X Magnifiers you see a pic of a AIMPOINT looking 3X magnifier, GT 3X OPTIC Magnifier , but when you open it, it shows a different model. What I got is pictured in this post, with all Aimpoint trademark markings.
I have spoken with everyoneI know in Law Enforcement & Military about my "incident" with SOG.
I do not know why AIMPOINT was never interested enough to respond to me, especially since SOG Armory is listed as an authorized dealer for Aimpoint at AIMPOINT's website.
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interesting...

I wondered what happened with this thread (if this is indeed the follow-up)

Strong detective work jtv.
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found this over at arf
hmm, there are 2 pics for the GT 3x magnifier.. the 2nd pic looks like this one here made by Mako for $99.

which one did the OP originally get?

http://store.a51tactical.com/index.p...oducts_id=1681

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hmm, there are 2 pics for the GT 3x magnifier.. the 2nd pic looks like this one here made by Mako for $99.

which one did the OP originally get?

http://store.a51tactical.com/index.p...oducts_id=1681
There are tons of clones. Some have real logos and boxes that are labeled and packaged like real Aimpoints.
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Is the the same SOG ARMORY that used to be out of southern California and selling guns and "Tactical" merchandise at California and Nevada gun shows? They used to have a steroid wonder boi out there telling people how tough he was and how he prefers killing people to talking to them,Is this the same outfit??The boi always had some stripper chic with him or other 'roid boi's??
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So how did this turn out.
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LVTM: go back one page for the info and results. The vendor is SOG Armory. Thanks to the OP for bringing this to CG; I will never buy from them, although I have looked at their stuff before.
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You must be talking about Jim?? He used to have Mick strider of strider knives and another dude with long hair running with em.The long hair guy was a spec ops character but not sure about jim.His prices are on the moon and all his stuff is reworked.
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It is nice to read your info but without the name of the supplier how can your information be useful. How can Aimpoint weed out the bad supplier if you don't give them any information? If they were dishonest the first time do you think that the owner will do justice for you? I hope that you will get half of the money after sending the fake one or you might lost both. The best resolution is the custom department incharge of prosecuting illegal merchandise or fake items. Aimpoint has no teeth to bite those dealers engage of selling fake or clone products.
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It is nice to read your info but without the name of the supplier how can your information be useful. How can Aimpoint weed out the bad supplier if you don't give them any information? If they were dishonest the first time do you think that the owner will do justice for you? I hope that you will get half of the money after sending the fake one or you might lost both. The best resolution is the custom department incharge of prosecuting illegal merchandise or fake items. Aimpoint has no teeth to bite those dealers engage of selling fake or clone products.
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This happened two years ago.

The vendor was SOG armory. Read two posts above yours
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but did he ever get his check?
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