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Old 04-06-2008, 9:34 AM
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Default Fenix T1 vs Pentagon L2

Both seem to be about $70 at the cheapest places online.

The T1 seems to be a tougher flashlight with proven submersion capabilities and a more hardened body. It also has longer battery life and a much brighter 225 lumens in "turbo" mode.

By comparison, the L2 seems a bit undergunned at 85 lumens. It does have an easily removable clip though while the T1 seems like you have to pry it off which sucks. It's also a nicer looking more high end looking light with a Type III finish vs the Type II finish on the T1.

Are the lumens being measured at the same point?

How waterproof is the L2?

Which would you choose?
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Old 04-06-2008, 9:59 AM
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fenix came out with a newer version of the t1 called the tk10. basically same light with few improvements. check out candlepowerforums.com for a wealth of knowledge on flashlights.
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Wow the TK10 has everything I was looking for, removable clip, comes in black, and Type III finish.
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Just an FYI... the T1 is a Type III

The olive is a nicer finish, IMHO.

HANDS DOWN the Fenix is the better light. The only advantage of the pentagon is the name (and maybe weight).
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well, pentagonlight is starting to look long in the tooth. surefire is going to be releasing more of their updates for the lineup. the new optimus and invictus are going to be impressive. insight is also releasing some new lights:

http://www.insightlights.com/products.htm
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surefire shot show linky:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...light=invictus
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Is Pentagon planning to release some new lights or are there upgrades available for the Pentagon L2 LED?

My brain says Fenix TK10 but my aesthetics say Pentagon...

That Insight H2X looks like an awesome light with a 400 hour possible battery life and strobe effect but at $133, I think a bit more than I want to spend.

This seems to be the best price online for the TK10, free shipping

http://shop.pocketsunshine.com/main.sc

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Is Pentagon planning to release some new lights or are there upgrades available for the Pentagon L2 LED?

My brain says Fenix TK10 but my aesthetics say Pentagon...

That Insight H2X looks like an awesome light with a 400 hour possible battery life and strobe effect but at $133, I think a bit more than I want to spend.

This seems to be the best price online for the TK10, free shipping

http://shop.pocketsunshine.com/main.sc
you can also get it at fenix-store.com and use the candlepowerforums coupon (cp8) for extra 5% discount and free shipping.
not sure about pentagonlight as they were pretty quiet at shotshow. insight probably is referring to the dimmest light level for the 400 hours. i'm going to hold off buying any lights until later this year as better emitters are being used in flashlights. the cree q5 is top dog right now, but the seoul p7 and cree r2 are slowing showing up in lights.
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you can also get it at fenix-store.com and use the candlepowerforums coupon (cp8) for extra 5% discount and free shipping.
not sure about pentagonlight as they were pretty quiet at shotshow. insight probably is referring to the dimmest light level for the 400 hours. i'm going to hold off buying any lights until later this year as better emitters are being used in flashlights. the cree q5 is top dog right now, but the seoul p7 and cree r2 are slowing showing up in lights.
Thanks, you're quite a helpful bag of potatoes.

I think I will order the TK10 and a Pentagon L2, I can't decide so I'll get both. Maybe I'll return one but I do have two ARs that both need lights so this seems to best solution.

I'll order it from Fenix and use that coupon code. How good is their customer service? It seems if you order from their own store, it's a lifetime warranty.

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um, not sure about the lifetime warranty part. i could be wrong. david from fenix store is very helpful on candlepowerforums. i would say if you could wait a little longer as new led emitters are coming out every few months. it's hard to keep up unless you just like buying flashlights.
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whats a good mount for the tk's?
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um, not sure about the lifetime warranty part. i could be wrong. david from fenix store is very helpful on candlepowerforums. i would say if you could wait a little longer as new led emitters are coming out every few months. it's hard to keep up unless you just like buying flashlights.
I think that's what it says on the Fenix Store warranty page.

How much better are these LEDs?

How old is the TK10, is there going to be a new model already?
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you can also get it at fenix-store.com and use the candlepowerforums coupon (cp8) for extra 5% discount and free shipping.
not sure about pentagonlight as they were pretty quiet at shotshow. insight probably is referring to the dimmest light level for the 400 hours. i'm going to hold off buying any lights until later this year as better emitters are being used in flashlights. the cree q5 is top dog right now, but the seoul p7 and cree r2 are slowing showing up in lights.
didn't see the 5% in my cart, does say free shipping though but that's standard.
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didn't see the 5% in my cart, does say free shipping though but that's standard.
i'm unsure of the coupon code right now because their marketplace is currently under maintenance. try cpf8 and see if that works.
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I think that's what it says on the Fenix Store warranty page.

How much better are these LEDs?

How old is the TK10, is there going to be a new model already?
the cree q5 emitters are the standard right now. the cree r2 emitters are just hitting the market in limited quantities as well as the seoul p7. every quarter it seems that there's a new version coming out. the tk10 just came out a few weeks ago and is an update of the t 1. it's kind of like computers, as soon as you buy one, something better is already in the pipeline. i guess it will reach a point where people will say it's "bright enough" for their needs. i'm not one of them. i'm waiting for surefire to release their new lights (invictus, optimus, millenium weapon light led upgrades). right now, i'm just upgrading my other lights (malkoff maglite dropin, surfire g2 p60 dropins) to hold me over.
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whats a good mount for the tk's?
i'm guessing from the previous posted link around $73 shipped would be a pretty good deal.
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ok. i just tried the code "cpf8", and the total comes out to $72.68.
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whats a good mount for the tk's?
Mount on? How do you plan on using it?

Look into Daniel Defense, Viking Tactics, VLTOR and LaRue... LaRue is always top dog at nything they do...

I've used all of those. Tell me your application and I can give more insight.

I have a T1... It's fantastic. The TK10 is already calling my name.

Recce is a CPF nut (you can tell them from a distance)... I'm a light buyer who stops by CPF before a purchase. I try to avoid going there too much or I end up getting revved up into the "Lumens, life and beam" hype and hysteria, thinking of every possible way I can tweak more lumens out of a $2 red crap flashlight...

What I'm saying is... be careful, you've been exposed to yet another disease.
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What I'm saying is... be careful, you've been exposed to yet another disease.
isn't that the truth ... i can't afford any of the diseases that i already have.
i thought by buying a m900 it would curb it, but it just fueled the fire.
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isn't that the truth ... i can't afford any of the diseases that i already have.
i thought by buying a m900 it would curb it, but it just fueled the fire.
I have a love/hate relationship with mine... I'm thinking it could be shown the door. It's so freakin heavy. I kinda miss the G2 LED w/VFG that weighed about 4oz total, while that thing has got to weigh a pound +

I do dig the ARMS mount and LEDs, though... I bought a LaRue VFG - maybe that will supplant and I'll go back to the offest mounted flashlight.
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i like this one:

http://www.militarymorons.com/weapon...hts.html#smocg
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Interesting idea on using rifle scope rings as a flashlight mount.

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Thanks, you're quite a helpful bag of potatoes.

I think I will order the TK10 and a Pentagon L2, I can't decide so I'll get both. Maybe I'll return one but I do have two ARs that both need lights so this seems to best solution.

I'll order it from Fenix and use that coupon code. How good is their customer service? It seems if you order from their own store, it's a lifetime warranty.
id actually recommend you get the surefire G2 over teh pentagon L2. pentagonlight is a good product but wtih little aftermarket support

theres enough stuff for the G2 that any piece of it can be pretty much replaced. you can probably build a new G2 from the aftermarket pieces out there . .

new modules for the emitter LED come out every few months, and youll be able to drop in the new stuff because the G2's P60 module has a lot of drop ins made for it (usually right after the latest and greatest LEDs come out)
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How about the 6P? Does it have the same modularity?

What's a good drop in for the G2?

How waterproof and recoil shock proof are the G2 and 6P?
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How about the 6P? Does it have the same modularity?

What's a good drop in for the G2?

How waterproof and recoil shock proof are the G2 and 6P?
yes. whatever takes the surefire p60 bulb. for the surefire weapon lights, you might need a spacer ring. make sure if you use the g2, to get the aluminum bezel to help with dissipation of heat. the heat from led's don't come out the front of the flashlight like incandescent bulbs. surefire makes a led version of the g2 called the g2l. malkoff devices, wolf eyes, and bug out gear make the more pricey ones. you can get the cheaper ones on ebay, deal extreme, and kai domain. remember, you get what you pay for...
led's are very durable compared to incandescent bulbs. i haven't seen one fail yet except for manufacturer defects
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another great option is the surefire scout light with a p60 led dropin. you need to order the z32 aluminum bezel though... i see you started a thread over at ar15.com. there's already a couple of threads about the dropins:


http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=20&t=367207

http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=20&t=360120

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...lkoff+beamshot

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=193279

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=193170

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...highlight=tk10
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Ok I ordered the Pentagon L2 with free shipping from Buy.com. Came out to $62 after taxes. I'll also be ordering the Fenix TK10 soon. As long as neither suck terribly, I'll probably be keeping both. The TK10 in my LMT VLTOR CASV 14.5" and the L2 in my 9mm LAR-9.

I gotta order the mounts but I may try some spare scope rings I have first and see how well they work.
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I have a love/hate relationship with mine... I'm thinking it could be shown the door. It's so freakin heavy. I kinda miss the G2 LED w/VFG that weighed about 4oz total, while that thing has got to weigh a pound +

I do dig the ARMS mount and LEDs, though... I bought a LaRue VFG - maybe that will supplant and I'll go back to the offest mounted flashlight.
dude you aren't bs'ing there - the whore reason i bougt my m900 is cause i though it would be the best thing since sliced bread .. it would be if bread weighed as much as lead!

have the larue in hand yet? been punching myself in the nuts to make myself not buy one yet till i get a review... my nuts hurt and i still want one.
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the whore reason
Coincidentally, an M900 costs about the same as an hour of time.
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Coincidentally, an M900 costs about the same as an hour of time.
lmfao - WHOLE man WHOLE!! lol... you should know drunks cant type! hahaha
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Ok I ordered the Pentagon L2 with free shipping from Buy.com. Came out to $62 after taxes. I'll also be ordering the Fenix TK10 soon. As long as neither suck terribly, I'll probably be keeping both. The TK10 in my LMT VLTOR CASV 14.5" and the L2 in my 9mm LAR-9.

I gotta order the mounts but I may try some spare scope rings I have first and see how well they work.
Why buy the Pentagon. I dunno, man... it's not worth that money.
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Honestly, I just the way it looks a lot, yeah, it's stupid but here we are.

If I end up not liking it, it's easy to return so no big deal, I'll just get two TK10s.

On another note, other than cool factor, is there a reason Not to use my spare raised 1" scope rings over a VLTOR or Viking flashlight mount? The scope rings seem to be a perfect fit.
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Honestly, I just the way it looks a lot, yeah, it's stupid but here we are.

If I end up not liking it, it's easy to return so no big deal, I'll just get two TK10s.

On another note, other than cool factor, is there a reason Not to use my spare raised 1" scope rings over a VLTOR or Viking flashlight mount? The scope rings seem to be a perfect fit.
Depends on the application... I've never used anything but a QD and/or an offset light mount. If you want it ON the rail, no, there's no reason you couldn't, assuming you can tighten it down enough...
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Yeah, I think some loctite should keep it on there. If it ends up not working out, I'll just order a real mount. Man you are up late.
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I'm in the midst of LED upgrades, and I have a variety of xenon and early LED lights that are rapidly going obsolete with no hope of upgrades.

At this point, I wouldn't buy anything major that wasn't based on the P60 style lamp, as that's the platform that will allow you to keep your hardware current for years to come. Anything else - Pentagon, Fenix, whatever - and you're stuck waiting for the manufacturer to come out with something for their proprietary system.

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I'll most likely just buy a flashlight and never upgrade it to be honest. I'm not out in the dark much.
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I don't know about literally, but if you meant figuratively.....
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I didn't plan on upgrades when I bought mine, as LED tech wasn't anywhere near ready for prime time, but they've really caught up, and the extended battery life, higher output, and recoil resistance are a pretty huge benefit.

If you get a good LED light now, you'll probably never need to upgrade.
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I don't know about literally, but if you meant figuratively.....
Haha I'm not out in the dark much with a gun. Actually it's never happened.
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Hey guys, I'm about ready to order another light and I'm slightly worried about the TK10's suitability as a weapons light that will live on a AR. The Pentagon lights seem to have been designed from the outset as having that in mind that a lot of them will live on a weapon...

Do you think the TK10 will have that same ruggedness of constant recoil/vibration and still remain reliable throughout it's life?

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