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Old 03-26-2008, 5:58 PM
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Hello,

I don't know if this has been asked a million times, but I searched and couldn't find any similar posts. Anyway, I have two questions.

1. I am looking to build an AR (with BB) that will make a good SHTF rifle. Mainly I want it to be as durable and reliable as possible. I'm trying to pick which lower receiver to build it on but I'm having a difficult time deciding. I don't know which brands are good (except bushmaster and colt, but they are banned). In your opinion, what is the most durable and reliable LR to build my AR on? As far as price goes, I don't mind paying a little extra for quality, but I can't afford something that's ultra-expensive either.

2. Is it best to stick with one brand throughout the whole AR? Hypothetically, I bought a stag LL, would it be better to make the rest all Bushmaster parts (I heard those are good), or should I just go all Stag?

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CMMG gets high praise as does Noveske, but the Noveske is a very quality receiver!

As for build components, that is what is so nice about the project, you can pick and build to your quality specifications as to brands and components!
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CMMG gets high praise as does Noveske, but the Noveske is a very quality receiver!

As for build components, that is what is so nice about the project, you can pick and build to your quality specifications as to brands and components!
So all brands are interchangable as far as LR, to UR, to Stocks, and so on.
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Welcome to Calguns,

Please start here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=56818

Many of your questions will be answered in that thread.

Any lower will do, as long as it's not Vulcan or Hesse. Pick a logo/rollmark/look you like.

On uppers and parts there are many, many choices. Stag and Bushmaster are very mediocre. I'm not a fan of either. I would suggest CMMG or try to push you toward LMT.

Spend time looking over pictures and considering what you want to do with your rifle, there's a whole thread of hundreds of CA-legal builds that will give you ideas.

We typically push people toward a flat top build, 16" barrel, mid-length gas system and quality parts. Noveske are very nice, but I'd build my own for that money.

For about $1200 you could build a top-notch LMT complete rifle. For about $1500 you can get a Noveske. For about $1000 you can get a CMMG, Stag or RRA.

Additional custom features will cost extra (free float rails, special iron sights, etc).

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Hello,

I don't know if this has been asked a million times, but I searched and couldn't find any similar posts. Anyway, I have two questions.

1. I am looking to build an AR (with BB) that will make a good SHTF rifle. Mainly I want it to be as durable and reliable as possible. I'm trying to pick which lower receiver to build it on but I'm having a difficult time deciding. I don't know which brands are good (except bushmaster and colt, but they are banned). In your opinion, what is the most durable and reliable LR to build my AR on? As far as price goes, I don't mind paying a little extra for quality, but I can't afford something that's ultra-expensive either.

2. Is it best to stick with one brand throughout the whole AR? Hypothetically, I bought a stag LL, would it be better to make the rest all Bushmaster parts (I heard those are good), or should I just go all Stag?

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A lower is just a shell, what matters is what you put into it and what upper you slap on top of it.

Pick whatever lower looks coolest to you, I'm partial to LAR myself because I dig the grizzly bear.
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So all brands are interchangable as far as LR, to UR, to Stocks, and so on.
Yes, they are all (ostensibly) built to mil-spec, so they're all interchangeable.


This is in the newbie thread, and some things have changed, but here...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=50947
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Mil-spec seems to be very loosely used nowdays.How can something (vulcan) named after a race on star trek suck soo much...Oh wait
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I am looking to build an AR (with BB) that will make a good SHTF rifle.
I'd be inclined to go MMG instead of a BB for SHTF rifle.

Or just buy a Mini14.

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I really like the Spike's SL-15 Lowers
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why is that?
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why is that?
It takes longer to reload with a fixed magazine. If the SHTF i'd rather worry about shooting than finding a tool to reload with.
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It takes longer to reload with a fixed magazine. If the SHTF I'd rather worry about shooting than finding a tool to reload with.
Didn't you post a pic of a nice gripless m4gery a little bit back? What was that little part where the PG would normally be?
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MMMMM waffles.

MEGA also makes lowers with smooth magwell fronts.
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Didn't you post a pic of a nice gripless m4gery a little bit back? What was that little part where the PG would normally be?
This should be a serious OLL revolution flashback, but....it was an SRB (iirc, "spring retaining bracket"). Currently, the rifle wears a cut-down pistol grip, which satisfies the spring retention issue, but also leaves a little thicker piece for leverage. I'm getting fairly proficient with one-handing and weak hand transitions, buy by no means is it as stable as a pistol grip. The security of having 30rd magazines in my pocket helps my forget about that...

She's built upon a Fulton Armory lower receiver...
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This should be a serious OLL revolution flashback, but....it was an SRB (iirc, "spring retaining bracket"). Currently, the rifle wears a cut-down pistol grip, which satisfies the spring retention issue, but also leaves a little thicker piece for leverage. I'm getting fairly proficient with one-handing and weak hand transitions, buy by no means is it as stable as a pistol grip. The security of having 30rd magazines in my pocket helps my forget about that....
Thanks

I was a lurker for much of the "OLL Revolution" and didn't take much of an interest in OLLs until comparatively recently
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I'd be inclined to go MMG instead of a BB for SHTF rifle.

Or just buy a Mini14.

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What does MMG stand for? If S really HTF (lawlessness), I think I would just revert to the normal release button.
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What does MMG stand for? If S really HTF (lawlessness), I think I would just revert to the normal release button.
Zombies don't wait for weapon modifications.

MMG = http://www.monstermangrip.com/
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Zombies don't wait for weapon modifications.

MMG = http://www.monstermangrip.com/
LOL, I guess I'll just have to get really good at holding them off with the bullet button.
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I'd be inclined to go MMG instead of a BB for SHTF rifle.
Agreed. If this rifle is primarily for SHTF and not range fun, you'll want to be able to swap mags quickly.
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What is the best AR lower receiver?
Colt's Armalite marked AR-15 in the 4 digit serial number range.
It will include such fun features as a happy switch.
Unfortunately, it will probably not fit within your budget and good luck finding a dealer to transfer one here.

I did have a chance to shoot a rifle with just such a lower a few years back when some Airforce reservists were using our range.
It goes something like this: you guys, come with me, you guys, load all these mags.
Then you do it over and over and over until the kids are proficient with the rifle.
I got to shoot with both squads every time.
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What does MMG stand for? If S really HTF (lawlessness), I think I would just revert to the normal release button.
If the S really HTF, you could swap the MMG out for a normal pistol grip.

Of course, it had better be an end-of-the-world scenario, because doing that is quite illegal. If it's a "normal" SHTF scenario - say, "the quake" - you could have the MMG and drop free mags, and not have to worry about an officer nicking you for an illegal assault weapon.

SHTF is _really_ unlikely though. I personally don't worry about such scenarios.

If you think that there is any chance that you may use your rifle for HD... well, I'd probably want a jury-friendly wood stocked Mini14. {shrug}

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Can anyone say anything about the DSA and LWRC lowers?
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Nothing special, they're almost all the same really except for Mega which is a bit nicer in finish and tooling. There are some specialty lowers like POF billet or Sundevil lowers that cost a bit more.
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I've been liking the lowers that 10% is getting. Something different and not many people will have them since they are short runs.
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Can anyone say anything about the DSA and LWRC lowers?
IF you can find an LWRC without price gouging it will be the equal of all the others, just like DSA.

Lowers are all the same. Take your pick of logo and finish.

The exception is POF which adds some features you may or may not like.
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1. I am looking to build an AR (with BB) that will make a good SHTF rifle.
What is your SHTF situation? I wouldn't worry about detachable and hi-cap mags at times when half of the population is dead.


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2. Is it best to stick with one brand throughout the whole AR? Hypothetically, I bought a stag LL, would it be better to make the rest all Bushmaster parts (I heard those are good), or should I just go all Stag?
Get a Bushmaster complete upper.
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