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Old 04-05-2014, 1:05 PM
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Default Nikon P-223 vs M-223 vs Prostaff

Hey everyone,

I'm looking into getting one of these scopes simply because they have great reviews and are very budget friendly. I know most people on this site will say to avoid these, save up another $800, and buy a quality optic, but all I am really doing is target/steel shooting, and in case SHTF, and one of these scopes should be more than sufficient.

The thing is, I can't really find any good info on what the differences are between these scopes. From what I understand, the P-223 is specifically for a 55gr .223/5.56 (which is what I shoot), but the Pro-Staff also has a BDC, so what is really the difference there? I can't determine any differences between the P series and the M series except the price...

Another scope I was looking at is the Burris MTAC 1.5-6x or 2-7x because it also has great reviews, and it would be slightly more versatile at close range. Whichever scope I get, I want to put it on a Burris PEPR mount because that mount seems like a great, solid, sturdy mount.

Anyone have any of these scopes and can comment?

Thanks

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Old 04-05-2014, 1:16 PM
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both have a BDC but with the P-223 Nikon scope you dont have to refer to their ballistics website as long as you use 55 grain. Just sight in at 100 yards and you're good to go. I have the P-223 scope and I absolutly love it.
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Old 04-05-2014, 1:18 PM
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I have the prostaff on a 30-06 and it works great. Since its a generic BDC I have to go to Nikons website so I can know what each recticle is at certain distance when I zero certain weight ammo. But you do that once and make notes and good to go.
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Old 04-05-2014, 1:43 PM
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I have the prostaff on a 30-06 and it works great. Since its a generic BDC I have to go to Nikons website so I can know what each recticle is at certain distance when I zero certain weight ammo. But you do that once and make notes and good to go.
Is there any difference in clarity, or overall quality that you can discern between the 2? If they are at the roughly the same price point, which would you rather use on a mid-range .223 AR?
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Old 04-05-2014, 4:02 PM
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SS, There is a big difference in lens coating quality between the P (PROSTAFF) and the M (MONARCH) Series of scopes. I have been using both the M-223 and P-223 scopes since they first hit the ground. I am a big fan of the BDC reticle scopes because they allow me to really dial in my shooting data ( whatever ammo I want to use, 45 gr, 55 gr,77 gr.) and still give me excellent accuracy. I use the P-223 3X Carbine scope for Carbine competition's and love it. My son tried it for one event, beat me and now it sits on his AR and I am back to using the M-223 1-4 which I also like because it gives me enough magnification to hit about whatever I want to out to 200 yards.
Here's a pic of my P-223 3-9 BDC 600 scope on my AR. I have used the 4-12 also, I just don't own one.

Nikon's Spot On Ballistic Program really will give you outstanding accuracy for your BDC scope. Good enough to hit 4 inch jars of Tannerite at 600 yards.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...9/p-2233-9.jpg
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Old 04-05-2014, 4:08 PM
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Nikon Prostaff = Capped turrets, 100-yard fixed parallax

P-223 = Exposed turrets, 100-yard fixed parallax, derived from Nikon Prostaff line.

M-223 = Exposed turrets, parallax adjustable side focus on 3-12x and higher models, derived from Nikon Monarch line.

All models may or may not have your choice of BDC or Nikoplex reticle.
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:24 AM
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Thanks for you input guys! After doing a little more research, and finding one on sale, I decided to get the M-223 2-8x32 with the BDC. I found it for $250 which I think is a pretty good deal. It doesn't have the parallax adjustment but I'm not too concerned about that.

After watching some videos, is it true that the M-223 comes with flip up lens covers or do I need to buy some Butler Creek flip covers, and if so, does anyone know what size? (I know the size charts can be sort of finicky)
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Old 04-07-2014, 7:49 AM
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I do not know if they come with flip up lens caps anymore. I do know that they come with a ARD, Anti Reflective Device that screws onto your objective. These are very fine threads so make sure you don't force it and alignment is perfect.

I use one of the M-223 2-8's on one of my .300 Blackouts

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...%202-8/3-1.jpg
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Old 04-08-2014, 7:09 AM
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Also, the M series (aka Monarch) are their quality glass made in Japan, which also applies to their binoculars and other optics. The P series (aka Prostaff) are their budget glass made in the Philippines.
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