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Default Finally put the money down for a scope that cost more than my rifle...

I was tired of the sub-par glass on my HBAR target AR, so I got a mil-dot...
Nightforce NXS Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 3.5-15x 50mm Hi-Speed Side Focus Illuminated Reticle Matte



Probably overkill on this rifle, but I can always graduate it on to something better in the future. Maybe a precision build some day.
Looking forward to getting it together and to the range.
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Nice so how much did it set you back buddy?
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Scope, NF rings and caps: $1350 deal
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I subscribe to the same ideal... money goes into optics first... then the rifle.
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I subscribe to the same ideal... money goes into optics first... then the rifle.
I'm the opposite. Every time I've got enough money for optics, I see another rifle that I need.

I did finally order a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10 MRAD for my M1A. That was at the same time the VEPR 12 went on sale for $799 at Atlantic. Dammit!

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Noob question, but what exactly are you getting with a more expensive rifle scope? I don't own any scopes, so just curious.
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Distortion-free clarity, resolution, contrast...
This NF is replacing a Millet 4-16x TRS-1, so it's a major upgrade.
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Distortion-free clarity, resolution, contrast...
This NF is replacing a Millet 4-16x TRS-1, so it's a major upgrade.
The main reasons, adding to the above, is the brightness at max powers and the tracking. Without solid repeatable dependable tracking, many cheaper scope are unless if you plan to dial your dope at longer ranges. Many people get tactical turrets but don't use them other than to set zero or even box test them. So one of the most important features of high $ scopes goes unused.

Btw most scopes look fine at low power and very, very short distances under 200M... I have a Millet 4-16x TRS on my PCP (airgun) and at low power it looks like several of my other scopes that run over 3K...


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Grats OP, that's a nice upgrade.

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I subscribe to the same ideal... money goes into optics first... then the rifle.
I'm the same way, but you already know that.

How is that Vortex Razor working out for you?

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I'm the opposite. Every time I've got enough money for optics, I see another rifle that I need.

I did finally order a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10 MRAD for my M1A. That was at the same time the VEPR 12 went on sale for $799 at Atlantic. Dammit!

Nice glass OP.
Good choice on the scope, I like that one.

I'm the opposite. I have a few good rifles and I tend to buy optics that interest me and/or fill an application I need or have a gap in... I found multiple optics for the same rifle a very good way to completely change its usage/application.

I tend to get more mileage out of my existing rifles by buying more scopes, plus I look at optics as a really solid investment.

That said I could use an extra rifle or two to attach to my scopes.
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You will like the Nightforce. I have 2 of their scopes on 50BMG rifles.
People who have never used one often cannot understand why they cost so much.
People who do use one will understand
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I bought a used leupold for $150. Works *****en, glass is super clear. Ill stick to that over 1500 scope any day. Im not trying to snipe anything a mile out.
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I was tired of the sub-par glass on my HBAR target AR, so I got a mil-dot...
Nightforce NXS Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 3.5-15x 50mm Hi-Speed Side Focus Illuminated Reticle Matte



Probably overkill on this rifle, but I can always graduate it on to something better in the future. Maybe a precision build some day.
Looking forward to getting it together and to the range.
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Nice choice, I have the NF 2.5-10 NXS on my 308 but was thinking of upgrading to more magnification like yours. Just debating the size difference versus the need for more power. I like the NXS compact but 15x would be nice as well.
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Noob question, but what exactly are you getting with a more expensive rifle scope? I don't own any scopes, so just curious.
Some race car drivers race modified civics. Some start with corvettes, Miata, and exotics. Some race car drivers win with civics. Some win with their exotics. Some people lose in both categories.

But the people who lose when driving an exotic are always 100% confident that the reason they lost was not the car.
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Some race car drivers race modified civics. Some start with corvettes, Miata, and exotics. Some race car drivers win with civics. Some win with their exotics. Some people lose in both categories.

But the people who lose when driving an exotic are always 100% confident that the reason they lost was not the car.
I like that analogy

Removing equipment variables is a big thing, and having confidence in the hardware goes a long way. I know if I missed a shot it was not my scope, rifle, or load. At that point I have nothing to blame expect myself. It also seems to expedite the learning curve when the equipment is consistent and reliable.
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for the record, my guns wear modified civics

And my eyes are absolutely open regarding this.
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for the record, my guns wear modified civics

And my eyes are absolutely open regarding this.
So are mine... but I got it tuned up pretty good.

Gotta learn to drive before jumping into a seat of an exotic.
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I bought a used leupold for $150. Works *****en, glass is super clear. Ill stick to that over 1500 scope any day. Im not trying to snipe anything a mile out.
That’s great, but everything has an application… There are applications where you need a scope like this, and there are applications that don’t.

I’m guessing you don’t ride the turrets to dial in a firing solution? If that’s correct a scope like this may not get fully utilized.

I’ve had some very humble beginnings with scopes when I first got into shooting, but after I took the time to learn how to use a scope like this, wrap my head around ballistics, and learning how to correctly generate a firing solution, scopes like this become extremely valuable tools. I couldn’t imagine going back to where I started.
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I Removing equipment variables is a big thing, and having confidence in the hardware goes a long way. I know if I missed a shot it was not my scope, rifle, or load. At that point I have nothing to blame expect myself. It also seems to expedite the learning curve when the equipment is consistent and reliable.
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you do realize these are conflicting?
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you do realize these are conflicting?
Depends on what you consider an exotic

My Rem 700 took me a long way before needing something like a custom build, AI Rifle, Sako TRG whatever...

Even running a $500 rifle (civic), didn't stop me from bolting on suspension (optic) that cost more than the car.

I learned on that platform, and with some solid hand loading the variables were removed.
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Wowzers that is a great deal was that new or used ?!
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Wowzers that is a great deal was that new or used ?!
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probably used.
Nope, new. But it was a private sale and he owed me a solid. I was looking at getting a Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm (30mm) M1 Illum. Mil Dot, but this was just a couple bucks more, the range of 3.5-15x on the NF gave me a lot more flexibility and the 50mm objective would be awesome in low-light.

I like the analogies presented here, and I feel like I learned a lot with the Millet in regard to the basics. But until I get a true long-range precision rifle and am shooting beyond 600 yards (my AR ain't it), I probably won't reach anything near the potential on the NF scope. That said, the NF was a great deal and it's an optic I can absolutely grow into.

BTW, this purchase came after upgrading the trigger (Timney), freefloating the barrel and working up my handloads for this rifle. So this was the most expensive (and last) step short of the range time necessary to make it all work.
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Noob question, but what exactly are you getting with a more expensive rifle scope? I don't own any scopes, so just curious.
Bragging rights....
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OP, I haven't used one but have looked thru several. Amazing optics, you'll love it. Hard to hit what you cannot see, you'll see everything!!!
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I have quite a number of Leupold scopes and they are just fine for me on hunting rifles. They have a duplex reticle and non-AO for big game hunting. The K.I.S.S. principle for hunting scopes. My varmint rifles have finer reticles and usually a AO lens. The brand can be other than Leupold.
The 50bmg rifles have Nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56 NP-R2 scopes and the difference is very important when you start shooting long range. Those rifles have been shot out to 1400+ yards.
People who cannot tell the difference between good scopes and poorer quality ones may never be able to tell the difference or benefit from a better scope.
Some tell me how great their scope is and then look thru my Nightforce or even one of my leupold scope are amazed at the difference. Some still cannot, or will not, see the difference. To each his own.
Bragging rights has nothing to do with it.
Yes sometimes it is overkill for a given rifle or use. However better overkill than have a scopes that fails you at an important time.
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Well, this is certainly overkill on my .223 AR, but I figure this scope future proofs me optics-wise for a long while.
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Well, this is certainly overkill on my .223 AR, but I figure this scope future proofs me optics-wise for a long while.
Heck no. If you can afford great glass, do it. Solid choice in the NXS.
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My HBAR set up with the fancy new glass... Ended up with the NF Unimount setup to clear objective over rail.

Now, to the range.
Oh, and Timney, TangoDown, Streamlight and Dueck Defense...
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I bought a used leupold for $150. Works *****en, glass is super clear. Ill stick to that over 1500 scope any day. Im not trying to snipe anything a mile out.
Different strokes for different folks. The mission dictate the gear.
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you do realize these are conflicting?
There's nothing "exotic" about NF scopes. Now the S&B PMII's, hensoldt, US Optics, some of the Zeiss models, maybe some Steiner, etc. is when you really start getting up there in cost. I'd say this might qualify as "exotic"
http://www.eurooptic.com/carl-zeiss-...iflescope.aspx

But even still, you've got people that buy NV and thermal optics for 2-10 grand... not like many are using them very often(although some might). Even on top of that you've got people who buy themselves a dbal just because.
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Bragging rights by having a $1350 scope? No.
If I really wanted some I would have put up for Steiner, just to match my Predator binos, natch. But I didn't have the extra $1K laying around.
NF really isn't much more expensive/or as expensive as some of the Leupold offerings. The only dif is that NF doesn't make products for the lower end of the market, thusly they appear far more high-end than they are.
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If I really wanted some I would have put up for Steiner, just to match my Predator binos, natch. But I didn't have the extra $1K laying around.
NF really isn't much more expensive/or as expensive as some of the Leupold offerings. The only dif is that NF doesn't make products for the lower end of the market, thusly they appear far more high-end than they are.
Right. It's not as if there aren't more expensive scopes than NF, and frankly NF is a fairly common brand among scope selection in that price range. People seem to have some strange ideas regarding how much scopes cost, to the point where having a decent scope somehow equates to bragging rights.
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...to the point where having a decent scope somehow equates to bragging rights.
Exactly right.
My brother in law, who is a veteran hunter, gave me shiz for spending $600 on a pair of Steiner binos until he bothered to look through them. After which he promptly ordered a pair for himself. His binos that he's squinted through for at least a dozen seasons? A $75 pair he'd bought at Walmart back when and "thought" they were fine. A lot of people have no idea what good optics are because they have settles for so much less for so long.
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