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Old 03-07-2014, 6:40 PM
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Default EP Armory raided by ATF (Bakersfield, Mar 7 2014)

In local news... http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-n...nd-home-030714

I had a feeling this would definitely happen after they posted that video where it APPEARS as though they're using 30 rounders in BBd rifles. Again that's appears. Not sure if that's what happened. Nor if it was in CA. Buuut...yeeeeaaah...

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ATF is federal ergo CA specific non-compliance should be a CA DOJ jurisdiction issue.

ATF usually means really bad 4473's ie bad paperwork, NFA items, improper sales etc.
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ATF is federal and bullet buttons are state law. I doubt the ATF works be involved if that was the issue.

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I'd like to point out that my typo wasn't even IBFP.... He popped out of a basement I didn't even know I had to correct me...
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10-20 and 10-30s look like hi caps
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I know. I'm just saying...in the video I saw I heard a looot of shots going off. Again. It's alleged. It probably was legal. But I had a feeling it would draw scrutiny.
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The linked TV report in the first post alleges an employee was selling full auto firearms.
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Glad to see the ATF has shut them down.
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Old 03-07-2014, 8:24 PM
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Why?
Shaddy company selling out of spec product with no warranty nor refund.

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The "news" video mentions that class III might be a concern.
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Very very interesting, tagged to see further updates.
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tagged! Curious to see where it goes.
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Chris is a good guy. I'd be beyond surprised if he did anything intentionally wrong. This is probably about a paperwork error.
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Shaddy company selling out of spec product with no warranty nor refund.

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I prefer to see a company go out of business naturally due to their shoddy products and service, rather than getting the .GOV involved.
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Well, good thing my blemished lowers don't have a warranty...
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Just thinking out-loud...

say a lower was offspec enough might create an NFA issue unintentionally with NON-NFA parts.
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Just thinking out-loud...

say a lower was offspec enough might create an NFA issue unintentionally with NON-NFA parts.
You can google images to see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto gun...

for a manufacturer to add extra machining on accident- impossible-
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ATF doesn't raid places over a couple accidental paperwork errors...
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Just thinking out-loud...

say a lower was offspec enough might create an NFA issue unintentionally with NON-NFA parts.
wow.

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Also surprising that it was that close after opening. I didn't see them for a year.

Seeing as they allowed him to reopen it can't be all that bad.
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You can google images to see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto gun...

for a manufacturer to add extra machining on accident- impossible-
this. I cant believe this even has to be said
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Either the ghost-gun serial number issue, or the semi-to-fully auto conversion issue, must have triggered the raid. Before there is a raid, usually there is a buy of some kind made. It usually takes more than an informant alone. Since ATF allowed him to re-open, sounds like they did not find what they were looking for though. And that sounds like the raid was a big mistake.

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You can google images to see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto gun...

for a manufacturer to add extra machining on accident- impossible-
Actually no.

Google it. There has been at least one widely known case I know of a semi-AR having a malfunction that warranted LE action. for example improper distance between the hammer and sear can lead to a "shock" sensitive situation causing a hammer to prematurely fall say if the bolt returns to battery. This is not "FA" this is a "runaway gun" the ATF does not distinguish between this difference as far as I know.


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ATF doesn't raid places over a couple accidental paperwork errors...
Exactly. Nor are they concerned with Calif state issues either.
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this. I cant believe this even has to be said
the plastic lowers I have have the "extra" step done,so do some aluminum ones like stag
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the plastic lowers I have have the "extra" step done,so do some aluminum ones like stag
There was no sear hole drilled into these lowers
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You can google images to see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto gun...

for a manufacturer to add extra machining on accident- impossible-
However..... if some one "accidentally " smoothed the the trigger catch on the hammer a little too much, or it came from the factory like so.. then you would get a full auto effect. Only you can't stop.. the only way it stops is when you run out of ammo. This is why you test fire with only one round. Then move to two rounds.

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my wild arse guess is they do not have a letter from BATFE for there "80%" seeing that KT ord was busted years ago for dimpling the FCG hole and EP lower seem to have the holes marked also

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they specifically did not "dimple" they made raised areas but it is a problem with the polymer thingies

man i wish they didnt mold "auto" into them
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they specifically did not "dimple" they made raised areas but it is a problem with the polymer thingies

man i wish they didnt mold "auto" into them



Molding "auto" into them isn't any more of a problem than it is for, say, Spike's to mark "auto" on some of their lowers. You notice how they didn't mark the position for the 4th hole on the polymer 80's? The "auto" marking is purely cosmetic.
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they specifically did not "dimple" they made raised areas but it is a problem with the polymer thingies

man i wish they didnt mold "auto" into them
they look raise and dimpled to me , but neither here nor there it has the FCG points on the lower and that was a issue that KT org dealt with and what contributed to the changes from the old "80%'s" to the current ones
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Authorities made no arrests, but confiscated the owners laptop and cell phone.
The store was open for business later the same day.
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they look raise and dimpled to me , but neither here nor there it has the FCG points on the lower and that was a issue that KT org dealt with and what contributed to the changes from the old "80%'s" to the current ones
the reason the other ones were banned is because they had material removed in the act of dimpling

the raised then concave are above the final surface

i would like to know why they pulled the polymers other than the dad gum rear takedown pin hole being too damn high


mine started out as a pistol but i put a rifle upper on it and am using a rifle buffer cause i dont want it to break like a couple other people's have

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The aluminum 80% were OOS before the raid so it looks like all the polymers were pulled, considering they still have a lot of "90%" lowers in stock. There were hundreds of pink polys available last week.

Any info I can dig up is mostly anti-gov banter and tin foil hat speculation. I just want to know if the upper I ordered last week is gonna ship anytime soon but if they're open for business already then I guess I just have to be patient. I'll see if there's any action in my order the coming week and contact them as last resort.

Had no problem with their aluminum 80% using a jig from another company. Shipping was within the same week so I'm currently in the "happy customer" camp. Getting a poly lower with structural features made for an aluminum part is just asking for trouble IMO and that's where most of the complaints seem to come from.
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Little weird? why would they waste their time for nothing? except to take a couple laptops and phones away from them. You would think if they are gonna raid someone they are gonna make sure its legit and something is seriously going down. Something is fishy about this and I think there is more to why this ATF visit took place.

CA does want to ban 80% lowers but cant track them

EP Armory sells 80% and probably has records ( Shipping address's, customer names, phone numbers )of who they been shipping these pieces of plastic too.
Call me paranoid if you want too but I'm just saying.
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Little weird? why would they waste their time for nothing? except to take a couple laptops and phones away from them. You would think if they are gonna raid someone they are gonna make sure its legit and something is seriously going down. Something is fishy about this and I think there is more to why this ATF visit took place.
They are gathering evidence. It's what investigative agencies do.
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