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Old 03-07-2014, 10:16 AM
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Default OUCH rissia is **NOT** cutting ammo off and they are **NOT** the only manufacturers

http://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-...ing-to-an-end/

MAC is usually really spot on with his information. He also happens to be a calgunner.

Lets stop spreading rumors because people will want to exploit it.

And some facts.

Red army standard
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This is some of the most bought ammo mainly coming frome africa,ukrain,romania and etc.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:20 AM
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You mean there are some stupid people who will buy 20,000 rounds and hope to flip them for a profit only to find out there is no shortage at all? If that happens then they deserve to get stuck with the ammo.
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sgammo quickly sold out of their demilled stuff.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:25 AM
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Ille just go to mexico. Eric holder practically gives it away over there lol.
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sgammo quickly sold out of their demilled stuff.
With their pricing im amazed the stocl last for more than 30 min on a regular basis.
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Old 03-07-2014, 10:29 AM
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With their pricing im amazed the stocl last for more than 30 min on a regular basis.
seriously. I guess people are too prissy for it

I for one love it
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If you look at it from a supply/demand perspective, it doesn't matter if its true or not. All that matters is if people think its true.

Already, people are buying up x39 ammo and the chain reaction has started. Ammo goes out of stock, people who shoot x39 regularly or subscribe to the idea of Russia shutting down imports scour the inter webs and buy any excess at insane prices. Most of us rational people wait for prices to drop, so when prices do drop everyone who has been waiting eagerly buys the ammo at the price they have been waiting for. Thus, ammo is out of stock again. It usually takes about 3-5 months for this cycle to wind down.
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I have 7.62x25, 12 bucks a round, lol. Only kidding folks. OP, thank you for posting this. There will be people out there trying to exploit this. If it isn't one thing it is something else.
JG is still selling mosin amo for 89 a tin. Tin meaning spam can.
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I hope everyone who bought .223 at $0.90 per round early last year and did not run out of ammo in the meantime remember that if they had waited 6-9 months, they could have bought the same ammo for half price.

Same story with 7.62x39 this time.
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I hope everyone who bought .223 at $0.90 per round early last year and did not run out of ammo in the meantime remember that if they had waited 6-9 months, they could have bought the same ammo for half price.

Same story with 7.62x39 this time.
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And some facts.

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Golden tiger


Are ****NOT**** made in russia.

This is some of the most bought ammo mainly coming frome africa,ukrain,romania and etc.
who is spreading the false facts ?? lol

wolf is made in Tula isnt it ? tula cartridge works right ?
the bear line is made in barnaul russia isnt it ?
golden tiger is made in ulyanovsk isnt it ?

thats not a question really ...it is made there...feel free to look at the box

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Golden tiger is also sourced frome africa if im not mistaken.

And if you read the article that was posted like you should have, you would notice WOLF is a american distributor that STOPPED sourcing frome russia and is primaraly drivin by the romanian and ukranian sources.
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Golden tiger is also sourced frome africa if im not mistaken.

And if you read the article that was posted like you should have, you would notice WOLF is a american distributor that STOPPED sourcing frome russia and is primaraly drivin by the romanian and ukranian sources.

Golden Tiger is made by Vympel (Russia).

Wolf uses a variety of suppliers for their different lines of ammo. For their cheap stuff they use ammo from various Russian manufacturers or Ukraine.

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I hope everyone who bought .223 at $0.90 per round early last year and did not run out of ammo in the meantime remember that if they had waited 6-9 months, they could have bought the same ammo for half price.

Same story with 7.62x39 this time.
True... but all it takes is another mass shooting or Hillary getting elected and see what happens.

I just bought another 5,000 rds of Independence 5.56 from PSA @.38 cents a round delivered.....because I know Feinstein is my friend (and free shipping thru Sunday)...
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Fact: You can never have enough ammo...regardless of import restrictions...just buy enough for a good SHTF stockpile and training while prices are low..you never know what ammo will cost 1-2-5 years from now.
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Golden Tiger is made by Vympel (Russia).

Wolf uses a variety of suppliers for their different lines of ammo. For their cheap stuff they use ammo from various Russian manufacturers or Ukraine.
Don't forget Taiwan (Wolf Gold).
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Wolf moved their production to the Ukraine in 2012 if I'm not mistaken, maybe even... Or at least their supplier/manufacture is now based in the Ukraine.

Most every box of Wolf ammo I've seen since late 2012 was NOT made in Russia.

I think Tula will be the only real company effected by this. But I've seen plenty of Tula, even during the shortage. In fact, the availability of 7.62 x 39mm almost made me regret selling my AK, though I had no where to shoot steel so it balances out in the end.

Is Golden Tiger even currently in production?

As for Ulyanovsk (cheap white box stuff) and the Bear line of ammo, I imagine those could be effected as well. Though I've see more Tula than either of those brands over the years I owned an AK.
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You mean there are some stupid people who will buy 20,000 rounds and hope to flip them for a profit only to find out there is no shortage at all? If that happens then they deserve to get stuck with the ammo.
You mean there are people without any common sense that will pay triple the list price for ammo!!!!
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Nothing is going to stop the run on x39 (5.45 or 7.62) ammo. I think most everyone out there will drop $250 to pick up a case regardless of the rumors are fact or fiction. This will probably cause prices to rise. The average price of 7.62x39 has been about $0.25 cents/round for steel cased Wolf, Tula, Gold Tiger, Red Army, etc. let's see what prices will be in a week or so.
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http://www.thebangswitch.com/is-the-...ing-to-an-end/

MAC is usually really spot on with his information. He also happens to be a calgunner.

Lets stop spreading rumors because people will want to exploit it.

And some facts.

Red army standard
Wolf
Golden tiger
Prvi partisan

Are ****NOT**** made in russia.

This is some of the most bought ammo mainly coming frome africa,ukrain,romania and etc.
Red Army Standard - Ukraine and Romania
Wolf - depends. It's made in a bunch of countries, including Russia, Ukraine, Serbia, Germany, Finland, US, and so on.
TulaAmmo - Russia
Brown/Silver/Golden Bear - made at Barnaul, Russia
Golden Tiger - made at the Vympel factory in Amursk, Russia
Klimovsk (makes ammofor Wolf and under its own brand) - made at the Klimovsk factory, Russia
Prvi Partisan - Serbia/former Yugoslavia
Colt - Russia

So a lot of it is made in Russia and Ukraine. With that said, while Ukraine might have some production issues (although, last I heard, their plants aren't affected as of yet, and neither are the ammo shipments), Russia has none, and there was no movement to restrict ammo or arms export to the US from there. Their stated goal is to salvage and expand their small arms industry using exports, and exports to the US are their main cash cow. They would be shooting themselves in the foot, if they do that. Not that it would be unprecedented, but the likelihood of that is low.
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I agree that any thoughts of Russia cutting off ammo imports to the US are FUD -- we're actually probably subsidizing the "privatized" Russian ammo factories for producing Russian military ammo

But it all it takes is the perception that we're not getting in anymore, and prices will rise for sure, so if you think you need a case or two, now's as good a time as any to buy.
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Sgammo just sold out of their Red Army 7.62x39 and their remaining "old stock" lots of Wolf Box Ammo made by UCW - 2009 to 2010 mfg is dropping fast. So there is a real rush on x39 ammo, based on the False info. It's like screaming fire when there is no fire.
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I hope everyone who bought .223 at $0.90 per round early last year and did not run out of ammo in the meantime remember that if they had waited 6-9 months, they could have bought the same ammo for half price.

Same story with 7.62x39 this time.
Who the hell is dumb enough to pay almost a dollar a round for 5.56? That is insane. To all that fear an eventual shortage (real or Panic Driven) I recommend learning to reload. I was shooting 5.56 that cost me .18 Cents to make, and 9mm that cost me .12 Cents to make at the height of the Insanity after sandyhook. Components got somewhat scarce for a little bit but not like ammo was.
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And if you read the article that was posted like you should have, you would notice WOLF is a american distributor that STOPPED sourcing frome russia and is primaraly drivin by the romanian and ukranian sources.
i read the link...did you notice the "facts" that were posted after the link...maybe its YOU who failed to read ????? i commented on the "facts" not the link.....did you even read or listen to ANY of it ??




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i read the link...did you notice the "facts" that were posted after the link...maybe its YOU who failed to read ????? i commented on the "facts" not the link.....did you even read or listen to ANY of it ??


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panic or not. I was trying to buy some 39 tula from SGammo today and while I was shopping for other stuff they ran out of stock of Tula from Russia. So the idiots have started. Either way I got some Ukraine stuff same price. IF I do mean IF it actually gets here is to be seen. But whatever I have other means at my disposal to acquire ammo.

before anyone asks no I'm not buying into the panic. I'm going to end up a victim of circumstance and misinformation just like I am with 22 ammo.
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This is such a retarded panic this time... I really feel like this panic started on calguns... no one I know even thought that the Ukraine situation would lead to "ammo shortage"... I guess if you hear it enough on calguns it ll get to you after a while... i bought a few tins of 5.45 and 7.62 before this Ukraine stuff even began.. IMO everything will be back in stock in a few months.. the calguns market place will be flooded with the stuff like it was with ARs and AKs the past 5 -6 months or so..
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All this fear mongering is making all gunowners look like idiots.
Gun owners desperately trying to prove the antis right. I wonder how many gunnies know the difference between an importer and an manufacturer. See how people thins Umarex makes the Colt .22 clones not too many.

Seriously my follow brothers in arms, this is like all of you shooting each other before the enemy fires a single shot.
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Yes, just like Sandy hook and Feinstein?...why do you think gunowners are jumpy?
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Hmmm I can't imagine why....
you gonna jump on the wagon ? careful...i can comment on your posts too. plink started it..... im actually a really friendly person

i show the same level respect one gives me

that was instilled by my father who is an ex marine...it was further instilled when i joined the marine corps



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Originally Posted by jarhead714 View Post
The avatar belongs to Plink even more so than it does the Misfits.
im actually guessing plink wasnt even around for the misfits. and im not talking about new skool misfits, which was an abomination, and least NEW new skool misfits has a decent lineup, and when dez throws out the black flag sets....well it just works

but the truest form of old skool misfits...is when glen tours and doyle tags along

between the guitar and vocals....you cant get any closer. anybody can slam the bass around and pound the drums (well...i cant but musicians can)


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Originally Posted by ky2970 View Post
Oh my god! It says that on the box??? It must be true!!

And pretty sure plink had that avatar before you.

ok well...where is it made then ? clue us all in so we all know as much as you do

plink had it first huh ? ok...cool, so you mean...he was registered here first...on this particular website...and sometime took the fiend skull as his avatar ? so if someone uses an AR15 as his avatar....nobody else can ? better call the mods, and tell to enact the rule
its not like he made it....its a bands logo from about 1978 or 1979 when they actually adopted it
only because your ignorance is bliss....i will explain

plink uses the traditional fiend skull, which was taken from the old skool movie "the crimson ghost" circa 1946



the glowskull i have been using as my avatar for the last 15 years or so , is the 25th anniversary skull the misfits used for a while. im not even sure its posted anywhere anymore, and unless you used to go to www.misfits.com , you probably never even saw it

so....yes i use a bands logo as my avatar, and so does plink

its not "his" any more than it's mine....no more than it belongs to the band......because its 68 yrs old now....

plink ??? are you older than 68 ?

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