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Old 03-02-2014, 5:13 AM
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Default Shooting the M1A makes me appreciate the AR15 more

I spent all day shooting 80 rounds from a friends M1A. It was nice and all.

After that, I picked up my AR15 and realized how drastically lighter and more comfortable it was to hold the AR15, quicker to point and aquire, and the recoil of the 223, after shooting 308 felt like nothing.

I realized what I took for granted, I feel right at home with my AR15 today, and this only reinforces it.
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I feel the exact opposite of what you said.
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Old 03-02-2014, 5:18 AM
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I feel the exact opposite of what you said.
lol... ME TOO !!
unless i was shooting at small game at close range that is
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Old 03-02-2014, 6:34 AM
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I shoot the M1A and my .223 is a mini. I like shooting both. One goes boom, the other goes pow. When I then pull out the 10/22 it sounds more like a loud fart in comparison to the other two. Yes .223 has less recoil and comes in a lighter platform, but it doesn't have the pure man stopping power of the .308. This is a mans rifle and for its purpose, I friggin love it.
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Old 03-02-2014, 7:19 AM
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Can't remember when the last time I fired the AR. Always shooting the .308's .
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Old 03-02-2014, 7:21 AM
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When I switch from my AR to my .22 rifle I get amazed. Wow, this thing is so much lighter and I can point and shoot so much faster. But then I think, I can do a lot more with my AR than I can with my .22.

Same goes with the M1A vs. the AR. The AR is lighter, less recoil, more manageable, etc., etc.. But that M1A can do a hell of a lot more that the AR cannot.

OP, I think I know where you are coming from and I'm not trying to knock you. The M1A and the AR are in slightly different leagues because they fill slightly different roles. The direct comparison might not be totally fair. For me, I would take the M1A over the AR any day. That would be from having fun plinking at the range all the way up to shtf.
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If you can shoot the M14 well, you will pretty much be a far better AR shooter in terms of positional shooting.

When it comes to shooting the M14 in NRA/CMP High Power Service Rifle competitions, the body mechanics are magnified to the extreme.

With the AR, the light recoil allows for a 'sloppier' position (NPA, cheek weld, shoulder stock pocketing, skeletal foundation, etc) and the shooter can get away with certain inconsistencies.

But with the M14, the heavier recoil, particular in the 200 yard rapid fire sitting and 300 yard rapid fire prone stages requires the correct fundamentals in all aspects.
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Put 10 stripper clips through a Garand and then you can talk about recoil.
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I spent all day shooting 80 rounds from a friends M1A. It was nice and all.

After that, I picked up my AR15 and realized how drastically lighter and more comfortable it was to
hold the AR15, quicker to point and aquire, and the recoil of the 223, after shooting 308 felt like nothing.

I realized what I took for granted, I feel right at home with my AR15 today, and this only reinforces it.
All day to shoot 80 rounds?

As someone previously stated, the M14 is a mans battle rifle, the AR, not so much.
If you are proficient with the M14, you will be a better marksman with the AR.

Appreciate the M14 for what it is, what it can be, and how it can help you become a better shooter.
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C'mon guys, I dont think he was saying the AR I better, just that its better for him. I actually agree on all his points. I would rather carry an AR myself, but when contact is made I want it to morph into an M1A
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:03 AM
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I would rather carry an AR myself, but when contact is made I want it to morph into an M1A

I like that idea
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:18 AM
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Take apart a Springfield m1a and you'll appreciate your ar even more.

I love m1as, just not the newer Springfield ones.
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:20 AM
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I do like both but there is something about the M1A that makes it much more fun to shoot. I wish .308 wasn't so expensive (I don't reload, yet...)
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:36 AM
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I love m1as, just not the newer Springfield ones.
Yep, newer Springer M1As can't hold a candle to the build quality of years gone by.

The good news is that civilian M14s from LRB, SEI, etc... are better than ever.
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:38 AM
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I do like both but there is something about the M1A that makes it much more fun to shoot. I wish .308 wasn't so expensive (I don't reload, yet...)
What does NATO surplus, and commercial .308 go for these days?
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:44 AM
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I find my 30 cals a LOT more satisfying to shoot than ARs.
M1 Garand, M1A, even my SKS. I prefer the heavy solid construction, the traditional wood stock, the push into the shouler, the authoritative boom and the loud THUMP when it hits steel a couple hundred yards away.
But hey, there's nothing wrong with that OP. Everyone enjoys different things.
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Ocabj makes a good point, if you can shoot a rifle like a garand or m1a accurately offhand or seated then you will shoot an AR even better. If you want to be really frustrated start trying to accurize your M1A.
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Can't wait to get an M1A. It is one of my dream rifles. I was going to get one at first but instead bought an AK. I think it was a wise choice because I love my AK and it's a hell lot cheaper to shoot but the M1A will soon come. The AR and M1A are two different tools IMO so I can't really compare the two.
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Old 03-02-2014, 9:55 AM
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Accurizing your M14/M1A is rather easy and straight forward.

A tight fitting stock, shimmed gas system, decent ammunition and a really nice NM trigger job are good things to do.
Resist scoping your M1A/M14 rifle for as long as possible, learn to shoot well with the outstanding iron sights first.


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I feel the same way after shooting my Mini 14 or any other rifle with a non tactical stock. The AR is just ergonomic as hell and a real pleasure to shoot. Its popular for a reason.
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:50 AM
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I imagine many WW2 vets would have rather lugged an AR around in the pacific theater than an M1. Especially the smaller guys.
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I find my 30 cals a LOT more satisfying to shoot than ARs.
M1 Garand, M1A, even my SKS.
Let's not get carried away.
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What does NATO surplus, and commercial .308 go for these days?
its all over the place, anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar, and thats not even high end stuff
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Put 10 stripper clips through a Garand and then you can talk about recoil.
Stripper clips through a Garand???
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Ocabj makes a good point, if you can shoot a rifle like a garand or m1a accurately offhand or seated then you will shoot an AR even better. If you want to be really frustrated start trying to accurize your M1A.
Cant afford to be sloppy with the M1A,forces you to have a solid position to be accurate.Mentally the shooter cant think about recoil ,just sqeeze the trigger!
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Cant afford to be sloppy with the M1A,forces you to have a solid position to be accurate.Mentally the shooter cant think about recoil ,just sqeeze the trigger!
Squeeze the trigger and send it.
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I agree with the OP. I thought the exact same thing after shooting my LMT 308 and then back to my Colt AR. I spent seven years in the USMC and nothing feels more comfortable to point and shoot than the M16/ M4.

The 308 has a lot more umph for sure. They are both VERY different animals.
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I love a good .30 caliber battle rifle. For me, it's a better choice than 5.56 for home defense and most hunting I wish to do. In my opinion it has better range and penetration than 5.56. Having said all that, I defy anyone to shoot an M14 or a Garand all day, then pick up an AR-15, and disagree with the OP. The AR-15's advantages are just as cited by the OP. It's not disloyalty to .30 caliber battle rifles to acknowledge the advantages of an AR-15.
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I spent all day shooting 80 rounds from a friends M1A. It was nice and all.

After that, I picked up my AR15 and realized how drastically lighter and more comfortable it was to hold the AR15, quicker to point and aquire, and the recoil of the 223, after shooting 308 felt like nothing.

I realized what I took for granted, I feel right at home with my AR15 today, and this only reinforces it.
I feel the same when I go from the M1A to the AR to the 10//22. Still prefer to hit things as far out as I can see them. Nice to know you can knock someone down out to 600 meters, and not just piss them off.
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M1A standard with walnut matching hand guard. i will take wood and steel anytime.
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I spent all day shooting 80 rounds from a friends M1A. It was nice and all.

After that, I picked up my AR15 and realized how drastically lighter and more comfortable it was to hold the AR15, quicker to point and aquire, and the recoil of the 223, after shooting 308 felt like nothing.

I realized what I took for granted, I feel right at home with my AR15 today, and this only reinforces it.
You spent all day shooting 80 rds?
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I love a good .30 caliber battle rifle. For me, it's a better choice than 5.56 for home defense and most hunting I wish to do. In my opinion it has better range and penetration than 5.56. Having said all that, I defy anyone to shoot an M14 or a Garand all day, then pick up an AR-15, and disagree with the OP. The AR-15's advantages are just as cited by the OP. It's not disloyalty to .30 caliber battle rifles to acknowledge the advantages of an AR-15.
Don't you want Less penetration for home defense? I would take an ar15 over a .308 for hd/cqb every time..

M1a's are better for other things though no doubt. Like having fun at the range

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M1A standard with walnut matching hand guard. i will take wood and steel anytime.
Agreed. Mine even says "Radium, TX" on the barrel.
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Wait until people find out there are alternatives to the M1A and the AR-15. Modern 308 rifles that are ergonomic, accurate and can be adjusted to shoot with minimal recoil. All the BOOM, range and hard impact without the weight or shoulder pain.

Now if someone could just figure out a way to reduce the felt recoil on the wallet when shooting 308.
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