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Whats a good all around powder for pistol loads. 9mm and 45acp 38special 357 mag .. sorta like BLC-2 that u can use in 308 and 223. i do not wana load anything fancy just normal loads to practice.


Do they even make something like that ?

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Alliant Unique, it doesnt weight out very well but its great all around stuff. Can be used in most pistol, shotgun and there is even data for lead projectile 223.

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unique, w231 and HP-38
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I like W231 and HP-38. I use it for 9mm and 45acp.
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For regular pistol loads its W231 for me

.357 magnum i would put in the magnum category and use a different powder, unless you want .38 spl velocities out of your .357 cartridges.
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I'm using WSF for 9mm and 45acp, heard great things for WST also.
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Question is going to be "what can you find"? I use 231 (or HP38..same stuff so I've been led to believe) for 38 special and some larger calibers...only problem is it doesn't fill the bigger cases very well so a chance of over charging or double charging is always an issue. I load Unique in most of my bigger cartrdges (44 Special, 44 mag in less than full house loads, 45 colt...the real go together)..then I use 2400 for 357 and other more maximum loads.

Also going to depend on what you use for a projectile...lead? plated? jacketed? Again a lot of it will depend on what you can find.
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ive used titegroup on 9mm, 38, and 357 with good results.
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Whats a good all around powder for pistol loads. 9mm and 45acp 38special 357 mag .. sorta like BLC-2 that u can use in 308 and 223. i do not wana load anything fancy just normal loads to practice.





Do they even make something like that ?

There are only about a dozen or so. A good reloading manual or two and maybe a little time on the powder manufactures web sites will help you identify them.
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cool Alliant Unique sound something i would use.. since i just bought a shot shell loader and wanna load 12gauge bird shot loads..
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Unique. But,opos probably has it right: what can you get your hands on?
I also use Clays, but, thats damn near impossible to find. Go Unique.
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As stated by others, Unique and W231. Either one can be used for the calibers you stated. Unique is slightly more universal than W231, but W231 meters much better than Unique.

I think you would be well served by either powder; however, like others posted, you need to go with the powder that is available. If you can find HP38, go ahead and pick it up, it is the same powder as W231.
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I like Bulleseye and HP38 (W231) for 45acp, 9mm and .38/.357 for my .40S&W loads l like WSF. and have many LB's on hand.

but if I needed handgun powder, at this point in time I would be happy with just about any handgun / shotgun powder I could find. I think just about any 12g powder will work in what you are looking at loading.
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thanks for info... what funnels better out of a Dillon 550 press?
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thanks for info... what funnels better out of a Dillon 550 press?
just about all of them should do fine. I run an RCBS piggyback and about the only powder I have had problems with was IMR X800 and X700 for 9MM the flakes are just too big for the ~3 /4ish gr loads. all the others I listed I can keep at ~ 0.01 per load.
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Unique is one of the oldest and I would trust my loads with that if I ever found any!
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Most of the powders will funnel out of a 550 press within .1 grains. W231 has always been dead-nuts on through my press.
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Has Unique been mentioned yet?

I use it in 38 special, 9mm, 357 mag and even use it for plinking loads in 308 Win. It gives great accuracy in my guns.
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Unique for .357 mag loads? Interesting.
Oh, and unique.
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Kind of related, hope you don't mind my throwing in this question.

What issues/problems might you encounter that would make you decide that a certain powder was not suitable for a specific purpose.

I'm curious because I see people have a strong preference for this or that powder, but I don't think I've ever seen someone say brand x is bad.
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I'm sure none of these have been mentioned, give them a shot.

W231 and Bullseye!
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I have been using Hodgdon Universal for all my pistol loads. .380 auto, 9mm, .357 sig, .44 spl/mag, .45acp. Meters very good in a Dillon 650.
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I just got a reloading set-up, but the only powders I can get hold of are IMR 700x, PB, and 7625. I'll start loading with these for now for 9mm. I wish Unique was more readily available. Oh, well, you get what you can find I guess.

Anyone have experiences with these in 9mm?
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W231 and Bullseye. Both meter better than Unique. I bought a pound of unique, used half and sold it. I have 5lbs of Bullseye and am happy.
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Titegroup works very well for me.
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how does Titegroup fill the case? in 9mm or 45 auto, I was just looking into using it And was hoping someone would say something in this thread
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Whats a good all around powder for pistol loads. 9mm and 45acp 38special 357 mag ..
The wrench in your ointment is the .357 Magnum. Lots of powders are good for 9mm, .38 and .45ACP. My faves are Bullseye & Green Dot.

If you want to run with the 158gr .357 Big Dogs you're going to need another powder. You can load 125gr bullets to magnum pressures with faster powder but in my experience they're a bit uncomfortable to shoot.

Personally, if I couldn't find Blue Dot or 2400 or some other suitable magnum powder I would just let the 158gr .357 bullets gather dust under the bench.
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I just got a reloading set-up, but the only powders I can get hold of are IMR 700x, PB, and 7625. I'll start loading with these for now for 9mm. I wish Unique was more readily available. Oh, well, you get what you can find I guess.

Anyone have experiences with these in 9mm?

All 3 will work, if it was me I would try the 7625. I have used 700X and don't like the way 3 to 4 gr of it meters (it is a flat flake powder)
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how does Titegroup fill the case? in 9mm or 45 auto, I was just looking into using it And was hoping someone would say something in this thread
In 45 acp at max load it's 50%. I think that was my nosler manual
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OKay, I have to give +1 to all those that say:

Unique, HP-38, W231, HS-6, trail boss (j/k- Oh wait, you CAN do that? Cool...), Bullseye, Most of the DOTS like Blue/Red/Green, WSF, WST, Clays, 700-X and 800-X...
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unique, w231 and HP-38
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I use 231 and HP-38 for 9mm, 38 super, and 45acp.
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I like W231 and HP-38. I use it for 9mm and 45acp.

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Blue Dot and 296 are great for 38sp and 357 mag. 296 make a BIG muzzle flash.
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My dad did more varied reloading than I did... in 9mm and 45 acp... he seemed to like W231...

I started reloading last year again... after a 20 year hiatus, and I used 5.3 gr of W231 behind a 200 gr SemiWadcutter... rolling out of a 5 inch barrel (S&W 4506) at about 840 fps....
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What issues/problems might you encounter that would make you decide that a certain powder was not suitable for a specific purpose.

I'm curious because I see people have a strong preference for this or that powder, but I don't think I've ever seen someone say brand x is bad.
While "burn rate" is the one we usually look at it is only one of several characteristics of a given powder. Powders of roughly the same burn rate can have different burn temperatures, different pressure curves, one might be more temperature sensitive than another, position sensitive, how it burns at minimum charge weights. Some powders meter better than others. Plenty of info available you can look up but most of it gives me a headache.

The classic powder trinity is Bullseye (fast) Unique (medium) and 2400 (slow). There are many variations.
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While "burn rate" is the one we usually look at it is only one of several characteristics of a given powder. Powders of roughly the same burn rate can have different burn temperatures, different pressure curves, one might be more temperature sensitive than another, position sensitive, how it burns at minimum charge weights. Some powders meter better than others. Plenty of info available you can look up but most of it gives me a headache.

The classic powder trinity is Bullseye (fast) Unique (medium) and 2400 (slow). There are many variations.
Great info, Thanks. Coincidentally was talking to my son a few minutes ago and he hit a metering problem with IMR 700 he just bought. I'll dig into burn data when I move to some advanced loads. I just started a couple months ago and just loading generic 9mm range rounds on the low end of the load data. Only used Autocomp so far but just picked up some Titegroup. I'll read up on those to and see if I can determine a difference.

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Titegroup in the 9mm and 45 are really good combos, but you may find it lacking for 357 mag.
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Try Power Pistol. I've used it for .38 and 9mm. Have not loaded the .357 with it yet, but the data is there.
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