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Old 02-24-2014, 6:49 PM
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So i got a squib a couple nights back in my 6" gp100. The projectile is wedged from the chamber throat through the forcing cone and locked up the whole revolver. This was with a 158 grn plated Xtreme bullet.

So i get around to pounding it out tonight with a rubber mallet and a wooden dowel. Snapped the dowel. Tried again this time with a whole bunch of clp soaking in the bore, snapped the dowel again.

No brass or copper rods around so i use an aluminum cleaning rod and bent it after a good 2 or 3 minutes of whacking.

Brought out another cleaning rod, same thing.

This time i bring out the big metal mining hammer, soak the bore with more clp, wrap the whole damn thing in a towel, and mangled the living daylights out of my last aluminum cleaning rod.

Everytime ive checked the bore with a bore light, the bullet hasnt moved. Im thinking the base of the bullet is getting hung up by the mouth of the cartridge....

At any rate, anyone have some advanced squib busting techniques that dont involve whacking a rod with a hammer?

Im about to go to home depot, buy a really long drill bit and wrap it in duct tape to act as a guide. Maybe leave 1/2" of the tip un-taped and drill a hole, then pass something through the hole and pull it out the muzzle.
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Wow! No experience luckily with this so far but curious to see how you get it out.
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I would talk to a smith before I started drilling.

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I would get a good brass rod before I started drilling. I went through the same thing just not on a revolver. Broke quite a few wooden dowels myself but never went to a cleaning rod. Bought some brass dowels that are the right sizes for all my pistols and have never looked back.
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I bought some 3/8" brass rod and turned down 10" of the 12" rod to about .348.
It's still thick enough to beat on but no splinters to get wedged. Stays in the pistol bag just in case.
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45 years of shooting 28 of loading and never had a squib.
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Might get a good answer in the gunsmithing forum?
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I would try some delrin rod shaved down just below bore diameter. Your rods/dowels are probably breaking because they flex too much in the bore when pounding; wastes all the energy and bends the rod. A 'just fit' delrin rod can be snug in the bore and you wouldn't have to worry about gouging the barrel. When smacked it won't be able to flex laterally and should transfer more of your energy into the point.
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I'm not sure what your mechanical skills are. I've had a ball not seat all the way in a .50 cal black powder rifle and had to fabricate a drill bit on a long rod and use a brass sleeve to protect the rifling. I drilled (hand cranked the rods) out the center of the bullet as wide as possible then used another custom rod with a large lag bolt on the end to pull out the husk. If you are not very mechanically inclined, do yourself a favor and take it to a gun smith. I also have custom sized brass rods in case I have the same problem you do. Good luck and post picks of the aftermath.
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3/8" wood dowel works!
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Thank god for Twistyd1, I just got back from home depot and was seriously considering drilling the bastard out:

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Drilling works well, but in the future, use a smaller diameter drill bit with a material that will not heat up the lead. Go slowly and cut through the bullet. This should weaken the structure enough so that it'll pop out with a mallet. Don't use a bit that thick, or you may scrape the barrel, which is bad news. Make sure you don't heat that sucker up drilling, or the lead will expand, making it more tightly jammed or even give the barrel a bulge.
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Drop the drill in the bore chuck end first and give it a couple good wacks with a brass hammer. If you put it in like you are going to drill it the point might expand the bullet and make it tighter.
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Use a 1/2" drill bit, what could go wrong?
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Next time use a piece of weldable steel round rod. Lowes or HD has it. Drilling it out?
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Use a 1/2" drill bit, what could go wrong?
Nah, the cylinder and frame are too small for a conversion to .50AE or .500 S&W.
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Do NOT use any steel rods, use a correct fitting brass rod only, it will be impossible to damage the barrel because the brass is softer than steel.

Second, use a small 4 Lb. Drilling Hammer, (baby sledgehammer) you need weight/mass/inertia to move the bullet.

Third, put some one inch boards between the the jaws of the vice and take the grips off and get a good tight grip on the frame.

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It's fixed.

We used a chicken leg bone wrapped with a shrink wrap condom.

Then beat on it with a bag of hand cuffs.

Came right out like a midnight hooker running from her pimp with no money in her pocket.

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I didn't see anyone mention this, but you're supposed to get a wood dowel rod as close to the bore diameter as possible, and *CUT* the wood dowel rod in several pieces, maybe 3" segments. Then put these down the bore until you get one that sticks out the muzzle and start malleting that. This will prevent the rod from snapping.
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It's fixed.

We used a chicken leg bone wrapped with a shrink wrap condom.

Then beat on it with a bag of hand cuffs.

Came right out like a midnight hooker running from her pimp with no money in her pocket.

Easy peasy.

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45 years of shooting 28 of loading and never had a squib.
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Some notes for the future:

#1. Wood can split and split-wedge into the barrel. bad juju! Just cause it doesn't happen often doesn't mean it can't happen!

#2. Aluminum has a layer of oxide on the outside (ALL metal does of course). Aluminum oxide is sandpaper, and can sharpen (or dull) steel! I don't use it in gun barrels (even the military uses stainless, yes?), but if you must, IMO a crown protector is mandatory.

#3. brass rod, fairly tight fitting. But you know this already.

#4. Here's a pro tip, and it works for ANY gun. Alls you need is a pretty tight brass plug several inches long. fill the barrel with oil. right up to the crown. Cover the muzzle with electrical tape. As many layers as you need to seal between the barrel and the rod. Then put the rod over the top, press into the barrel, and start pounding. The tape is your piston ring, the brass is your piston, and oil is incompressible and will put 100% even pressure across the entire bullet.

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Luckily I have never reloaded a sqib... YET, but shot some that I got from a friend that got them from a friend that used to reload for him, needless to say, I only shoot mine now.

We tapped out the 9mm FMJ with a stick and my brass-tipped AR-putter-together-er-hammer.

Glad to see that you got the issue resolved.

I need to invest in some brass rods myself... just in case. I let some people use cleaning rods in the past for similar issues at the range, so "just in case's" are nice to have.
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It's fixed.

We used a chicken leg bone wrapped with a shrink wrap condom.

Then beat on it with a bag of hand cuffs.

Came right out like a midnight hooker running from her pimp with no money in her pocket.

Easy peasy.

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Huge thanks to Twystd1 and his nephew who took a night out of their life to fix it for me and even cleaned the gun up afterwards. From the pics it looked like it was quite an ordeal.

Lots of good advice in this thread, i think im going to invest in a RCBS lockout die first, and then some brass rods.

Wish i would have known about the whiterabbit method when i was slugging my bore lol
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Sure, if you only load like 12 rifle rounds a year. When you get to over 2,000 a month of pistol on a progressive, you could have a squib. And you can get a squib with factory ammo also.
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Letting a lack of constructive input blind you to the obvious awesomeness before you. What a couple of haters. I wanna have toby's babies!
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Well Mr exlax I just stated because for the life of me I can't figure out why so many have this problem. Good enough for you?

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Glad you got it fixed!

How did you get it tho? Empty case? Trying light loads?

I have a GP 4.2" and don't want to post one of these my self after I start loading for it.
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