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View Poll Results: What single round would you shoot?
338 LAPUA 5 1.62%
338 WIN MAG 3 0.97%
7MM REM MAG 7 2.27%
300 WIN MAG 17 5.50%
30-06 SPFLD 91 29.45%
300 WSM 2 0.65%
308 WIN 177 57.28%
6.5 CREEDMOOR 7 2.27%
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I'm looking at a Savage Arms 111 or similar. I'm thinking of getting 338 Lapua because I don't want to have to ever get a different rifle. Is there any reason I should get a 338 Win Mag or 7mm Rem Mag or anything instead? They are about half the price for obvious reasons. I just don't want to go to Alaska and find that my round I chose was too small, or whatever. I am not worried about the cost of each round because I'd be shooting bolt action, not semi-auto. I've shot .308 Win and several similar before and figure that isn't the size I want. So if you could have just ONE rifle round for a bolt-action, what should I get?
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And for what application might this be for?
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And for what application might this be for?
The rest of my life, basically. I want a rifle and not to get another one. Hunt whatever I may run across.
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308 in various loads makes it readily available, not too mention, all of the extensive data already available about this round. Keep it simple!
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If you are going to hunt Alaska and anything that you want for the rest of your life then get a 375 H&H Magnum.

Alaska includes moose and big bears and I'm a strong proponent of carrying the biggest round that you can shoot accurately, that will handle the biggest game that you are going to encounter in your hunting area.

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Your missing the original do all 6.5x55

Should add 270wsm


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No 375H&H

270WIN the super round of the 60's

35 Whelen...could almost live with this as my do all

But the single biggie...round that started making Americans look at high power small bullets
.257 Roberts...in the 20's and 30's this round did it all
They killer everything that walks earth with it bunnies to elephants
Don't believe me Google 257 Roberts elephants
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I've had 308 before, but looks like it is clearly winning for the do-all. It would sure open my selection of rifles up, as most 338 Lapua are a few grand, where you can get 308 Win for almost any price you want. I have a few months to mull it over.
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As much as I am not personally enamored with it, I'd say .30-06.

Load it with light varmint bullets and you have a virtual laser beam. Load it up to the gills and top it with a 220 grain bullet and you're more than set for the great bears. Load it somewhere in-between and you have plenty of Africa covered.

Need to find ammo? Walk into rural america hardware store, gas station, or general store and you're set. More ammo? Wal-Mart, Big 5, whatever is there for you.

Why not the .308? Because the .30-06 has more case capacity and can move bigger bullets faster than the .308. Why not the .300 mag? Because it can be harder to find, and if you are really strapped for ammo it's probably easier to find .30-06 dies. Why not 7mm Rem Mag? Because I feel that the .30-06 is just slightly more versatile with it's modern 220 grain loads, though I personally prefer the 7mm ballistics.
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But the single biggie...round that started making Americans look at high power small bullets
.257 Roberts...in the 20's and 30's this round did it all
They killer everything that walks earth with it bunnies to elephants
Don't believe me Google 257 Roberts elephants
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My Model 70 in 257 Roberts its my go-to hunting rifle. Does it all. Hands down. Only downside is finding ammo. The boxes out there are about $30+ for 20/rds.
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As much as I am not personally enamored with it, I'd say .30-06.

Load it with light varmint bullets and you have a virtual laser beam. Load it up to the gills and top it with a 220 grain bullet and you're more than set for the great bears. Load it somewhere in-between and you have plenty of Africa covered.

Need to find ammo? Walk into rural america hardware store, gas station, or general store and you're set. More ammo? Wal-Mart, Big 5, whatever is there for you.

Why not the .308? Because the .30-06 has more case capacity and can move bigger bullets faster than the .308. Why not the .300 mag? Because it can be harder to find, and if you are really strapped for ammo it's probably easier to find .30-06 dies. Why not 7mm Rem Mag? Because I feel that the .30-06 is just slightly more versatile with it's modern 220 grain loads, though I personally prefer the 7mm ballistics.
100% agree with this. I also voted 30-06 and these were the same things I was going to post.
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I've had 308 before, but looks like it is clearly winning for the do-all. It would sure open my selection of rifles up, as most 338 Lapua are a few grand, where you can get 308 Win for almost any price you want. I have a few months to mull it over.
My guess is there are a lot of voters that haven't shot anything with anything else. I'd much rather have 338 Win Mag for my do it all, even the 338 Hog Hunter with its 20" barrel would be better than a 308 with any length barrel.

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The 7mm-08 got banned from military competitions for flat out emberass old .308

Of course it is just a modern 7x57
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I'm definitely going to look into these rounds I haven't heard much about as well, thank you. I am the type of person to buy a decent supply, so availability isn't my worry.
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Love the 257 roberts comments. My favorite round of all time. 270 wsm also a good one. But if I have to choose one, it would be the 300 win mag. Ammo is everywhere, packs a good punch, and is an all around great cartridge, especially if you reload.
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Tikka and TC Venture are available in 6.5x55
Less kick than a 30-06 and more zip than .308

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So are you going to hunt in Alaska or do you think you might hunt there?

Something tells me if you'd planned on it, this wouldn't be a question.

And if you haven't, or probably never will, the 338 is overkill. Pardon the pun.

30-06 or 7-08 would be my choice* if I had to go anywhere and everywhere. One needs a large action the other a short action.

* primarily for availability to buy factory ammo.
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So are you going to hunt in Alaska or do you think you might hunt there?

Something tells me if you'd planned on it, this wouldn't be a question.

And if you haven't, or probably never will, the 338 is overkill. Pardon the pun.

30-06 or 7-08 would be my choice* if I had to go anywhere and everywhere. One needs a large action the other a short action.

* primarily for availability to buy factory ammo.
I am not an "arsenal" type person. I like having a few weapons, and not many different rounds to stock up. I anticipate at some point getting a short tour to Alaska, and I want to make use of that 12 months of my life, but I want to use the same rifle in Colorado, where I'll be for the next 4 years of my life (minimum). I just never want to wish "damn I should have gotten the bigger round" later on.
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I am not an "arsenal" type person. I like having a few weapons, and not many different rounds to stock up. I anticipate at some point getting a short tour to Alaska, and I want to make use of that 12 months of my life, but I want to use the same rifle in Colorado, where I'll be for the next 4 years of my life (minimum). I just never want to wish "damn I should have gotten the bigger round" later on.
I hunt with a 7mm-08 I can say that when I think about moose and elk, I start thinking I want something bigger. And then I remind myself that a 160 grain accubond at 2600 fps or so would be a fine round (having better energy, better sectional density, and better ballistic coefficient than 180 grain .308 loadings). As such, I no longer feel under gunned when thinking about those animals.

That being said, about the time I saw my first grizzly bear while deer hunting I remember thinking "I can see the utility in having a bigger gun".

I still think the .30-06 makes a better do-it-all round however.
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The 270wsm, 300wsm, 264Mag, 257weatherby, 300Mag you can set your scope at 300yds

30-06, 270Win and others you are setting it at 200yds.

In Colorado and Alaska that longer shot gets to be a everyday occurance.

This is why the big mags are so popular with hunters out there.

My cousin guided a hunt and had a guy take a big bull at just over 800yds with a 300Mag.

The little 270WSM is not to be outdone...2 years ago a woman took a big bull at 1100yds with a 270wsm...her husband missed his two chances...my cousin said be flinched every time he fired his 7mm mag.
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308 win.

I come from moose hunting region of the world and 308 is perfect. Actually 30-30, 270 and 30-06 are too, but my point is that no one is going to convince me that 308 is too small.

Hunting grizzly bear with a 308 isn't unusual either but I wouldn't recommend choosing a caliber based on grizzly hunting or even African big game hunting.

That would be foolish IMO and realistically how many opportunities will you have to hunt grizzly compared to the typical North American big game? If you have the funds to peruse the big dangerous game then the cost of a 2nd rifle is hardly a consideration.

Do a price comparison of big game centerfire ammunition and you'll see that 308 is the most economical when it comes to target and plinking ammo. For this reason it's the caliber I recommend.
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308 win.

I come from moose hunting region of the world and 308 is perfect. Actually 30-30, 270 and 30-06 are too, but my point is that no one is going to convince me that 308 is too small.

Hunting grizzly bear with a 308 isn't unusual either but I wouldn't recommend choosing a caliber based on grizzly hunting or even African big game hunting.

That would be foolish IMO and realistically how many opportunities will you have to hunt grizzly compared to the typical North American big game? If you have the funds to peruse the big dangerous game then the cost of a 2nd rifle is hardly a consideration.

Do a price comparison of big game centerfire ammunition and you'll see that 308 is the most economical when it comes to target and plinking ammo. For this reason it's the caliber I recommend.
Yeah the .308 was a improved .300Savage which was a improved 30-30.

It has been a do all round since the 50's.

However the slightly smaller 7mm-08 and the 6.5Creedmore leave it in the dust.
Having said that I would be confident hunting anything with a .308.
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I've had 308 before, but looks like it is clearly winning for the do-all. It would sure open my selection of rifles up, as most 338 Lapua are a few grand, where you can get 308 Win for almost any price you want. I have a few months to mull it over.
.308 is the best all around rifle cartridge. It has the added bonus that you can use it in an AR-10, which are also common.

Don't be fooled by price. They don't really make guns and ammo for the .338LM that are low quality. If you want a high quality rifle in any caliber, it is going to cost. The problem with .338LM is that it is boring and pointless to shoot unless you have some distance.
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One round that does it all? It's not just the round, it's the rifle as well.

http://www.krieghoff.com/index.php/h...ndard-calibers

In .308 Win. Whatever you don't kill with the first shot will die with a quick follow-up.

Might be a tad pricey though
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Yeah the .308 was a improved .300Savage which was a improved 30-30.

It has been a do all round since the 50's.

However the slightly smaller 7mm-08 and the 6.5Creedmore leave it in the dust.
Having said that I would be confident hunting anything with a .308.
I agree with 7mm-08 and 6.5Creedmore but someone asking this type of question clearly wouldn't know the difference as much as they'd benefit from a more affordable ammunition cost.

Current lowest pricing for each caliber from gunbot website
- 308 - $0.47 per round
- 30-06 - $0.59 per round
- 30-30 - $0.75 per round
- 270 - $0.80 per round
- 7mm08 - $0.82 per round
- 6.5 Creedmore - $1.10 per round

In my opinion this debate boils down to asking yourself how much do you want to shoot and how much are you willing to pay for it?

Here's some more affordable calibers,
- 7.62x39 - $0.20 per round
- 223 - $0.25 per round

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In my very limited hunting opinion, there is no single cartridge that can adequately and confidently kill a charging grizzly, and also not obliterate a small California deer.

.308 is my "one cartridge".... until I go to Alaska, then it will be my "one of two cartridges".
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In my very limited hunting opinion, there is no single cartridge that can adequately and confidently kill a charging grizzly, and also not obliterate a small California deer.
338 Win Mag, 375 H&H, 45-70 Govt all three will work for charging grizzly and wont destroy a small California deer any worse or even as bad as a 243 Winchester.
I've never been there but I read a lot of African hunters use the 375 H&H for everything, also a lot of hunters will use the rifle they're going to take to Alaska or Africa for deer, elk etc... hunting just so they'll be good with it if or when they are charged by dangerous game.

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Looks like it's 308 followed by 30-06. For the record I picked 308 too. :3
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.308 or 30-06. Pick one. As others have chimed in, there is a lot you can do with either of these for just about any application. It even gets better if you reload. A little old school, a little boring perhaps in relation to the new stuff, but very flexible and very effective. If you can only have one fior everything, this should be a consideration.
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If you are going to hunt Alaska and anything that you want for the rest of your life then get a 375 H&H Magnum.

Alaska includes moose and big bears and I'm a strong proponent of carrying the biggest round that you can shoot accurately, that will handle the biggest game that you are going to encounter in your hunting area.
This. A lot of Alaskan bear hunt guides consider the 375 H&H as a minimum round.

IMHO, .338 wm IF you are going to Alaska. Hard hitting, and can be loaded with lighter bullets for the lower states game.

Staying in the lower 48, get the .30-06. You can use it on anything that you can hunt down here, plus for most of the animals you'll find in Alaska
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Alaska specific I'd go with the .338 Winchester Magnum.

30-06 otherwise. I handload, and carried my 06 in N. Idaho and never felt concerned about Moose or Grizzlies, but then I had it loaded with 180 gr. Barnes bullets and a heavy charge of slow burning powder behind it.
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Alaska, if your not hunting Grizzly which is most likely then here is a great list.
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Any Weatherby from 257 up.
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100% agree with this. I also voted 30-06 and these were the same things I was going to post.
I have to agree as well. The 30-06 is versatile and plentiful; you can find ammo for it just about anywhere.

The same goes for the 308 but like another poster said, there's more base capacity so there's more room to custom tailor your rounds for different applications.
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