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Old 02-15-2014, 11:37 AM
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I am looking for a new Dangerous game Bolt rifle.
I have pretty much decided on a 375 H&H, and am trying my best to keep it in the $2000 range if possible.

I have my eye on the CZ550 (for about $1100)and will in all likelihood be the one I will go with, but I am also considering the Sako Kodiak at about ($1700).

The rifle will only see use for hunts and a couple of rounds to sight it in. It must be a competent rifle but doesn't have to be some $20k masterpiece.

Any suggestions or input is appreciated.

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My 375 H&H is the Winchester Model 70 Classic Safari Express and I'm really happy with it. Take a look at them for about $1,200.

Unfortunately Winchester no longer makes the left handed, Safari Express so I bought a lefty Zastava Mauser in 458 Win mag but it has taken a lot of work to get it in to shape for DG.

I've rebarreled it, added a barrel band swivel, a new front sight, had a second recoil lug added and had the feeding adjusted.
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Thanks for the feedback! I will give the winchesters a look as well.
I too am lefty, but I have never bothered with left handed bolt rifles and hav not really felt at a disadvantage.
Do you really enjoy an advantage using the lefthanded bolt? How exactly?
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Trying to stick with 375 H&H not 375 Ruger.

Does ruger offer a rifle in 375H&H?
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Trying to stick with 375 H&H not 375 Ruger.

Does ruger offer a rifle in 375H&H?
No, but they may have in the past.
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Why do you want a 375 H&H over a ruger? I have 2 375 Rugers my friend has a ruger and a H&H. The ruger gets used in Alaska the H&H has yet to take any game. I love my 20" barreled 375 ruger with a bushnell elite 6500 2.5-16x on top. I don't feel the need for a 24" barrel.
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Goto CDNN investments and order a Winchester classic expresses in 375 if you must. The last price was 979.99 shipped to your FFL. Another choice is Remington Custom shop KS Alaska Kevlar model. I remember seeing them for about 1500.00 and they are a nice rifle. The one my cousin has an 22" barrel.
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Im in the same boat but just got my brothers browning xbolt stainless stalker in 300 win mag for a moose trip hopefully. But when I go for my grizzly and later my Africa trip Im probably going to go again with the browning x bolt in 375 H&H.
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Why do you want a 375 H&H over a ruger? I have 2 375 Rugers my friend has a ruger and a H&H. The ruger gets used in Alaska the H&H has yet to take any game. I love my 20" barreled 375 ruger with a bushnell elite 6500 2.5-16x on top. I don't feel the need for a 24" barrel.
375 H&H is available worldwide and easily so. Not so sure about 375 Ruger.
Further, this is going to be a backup rifle for an upcoming trip and I want both in the same chambering.

Why do you prefer the 375 Ruger other than the fact that you have taken game with it and not with an H&H?

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I have a CZ550 Safari American in 375 H&H..very comfortable rifle and, once a load is found/worked up, quite accurate. Haven't fired another 375, but I'm very pleased with mine. Worked up loads of 235, 270, and 300 grain in Barnes Triple Shock, plus a 300 grain Barnes solid. Don't hunt (I'm poor), but I like to shoot as if I do.....
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I have a CZ550 Safari American in 375 H&H..very comfortable rifle and, once a load is found/worked up, quite accurate. Haven't fired another 375, but I'm very pleased with mine. Worked up loads of 235, 270, and 300 grain in Barnes Triple Shock, plus a 300 grain Barnes solid. Don't hunt (I'm poor), but I like to shoot as if I do.....
This is on the top of the list as of the moment. I like the price and its features make it pretty hard to beat.

Of course, if I can just find a pre '64 winchester that would be perfect!
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If you ever go to Africa to hunt just know some place have a minimum caliber of 40 cal, so you might want to look at a 416 Rigby. The CZ550 is a beautiful gun. Im looking at the 416 Rigby myself.
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Goto CDNN investments and order a Winchester classic expresses in 375 if you must. The last price was 979.99 shipped to your FFL. Another choice is Remington Custom shop KS Alaska Kevlar model. I remember seeing them for about 1500.00 and they are a nice rifle. The one my cousin has an 22" barrel.
They are $1199 right now, unless there is a deal I didn't find.
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Thanks for the feedback! I will give the winchesters a look as well.
I too am lefty, but I have never bothered with left handed bolt rifles and hav not really felt at a disadvantage.
Do you really enjoy an advantage using the lefthanded bolt? How exactly?
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I'm strongly left eye dominant as well as being left handed. I've also been shooting left handed bolt guns since 1975 so I'm used to them. It's natural to operate the trigger and reach up with your dominant hand to cycle the bolt. When hunting Dangerous Game you go with what your muscles are trained for.

My bolt guns are all left handed.

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If you ever go to Africa to hunt just know some place have a minimum caliber of 40 cal, so you might want to look at a 416 Rigby. The CZ550 is a beautiful gun. Im looking at the 416 Rigby myself.
The 375 H&H is legal in all African countries for Dangerous Game since the 1960's.

Benin
• There is no minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Benin.
• Benin does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Botswana
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Botswana is .222 caliber for any game other than dangerous game.
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Botswana is .375 caliber for dangerous game or big game hunting.
• The maximum equipment allowed for rifle hunting in Botswana is .577 Nitro Express caliber.
• Botswana does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Burkina Faso
• There is no minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Burkina Faso.
• Burkina Faso does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Cameroon
• For Group 1 - Small Game, the equipment requirement for hunting is .240 caliber or less, shotgun may be used as well.
• For Group 2 - Medium Game, the equipment requirement for hunting is .240 to .354 caliber.
• For Group 3 - Big Game, the equipment requirement for hunting is .354 caliber or larger.
• Cameroon does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Central African Republic
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Central African Republic is .375 caliber for dangerous game or big game hunting.
• Central African Republic does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Ethiopia
• There is no minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Ethiopia.
• Ethiopia does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Mozambique
• There is no minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Mozambique.
• Mozambique does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Namibia
• Smallest caliber allowed 7 mm (.284).
• Minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity)
• Big Game 5400 Joule (Elephant, Cape Buffalo, Rhino, Lion, etc.)
• Large Game 2700 Joule (Greater Kudu, Cape Eland, Oryx / Gemsbok, Red Hartebeest, Blue Wildebeest, Black Wildebeest, Hartmann's Zebra, Burchell's Zebra, Giraffe, Sable Antelope, Roan Antelope, Waterbuck, Tsessebe, Leopard, etc.)
• Medium to Small Game 1350 Joule (Springbok, Impala, Blesbok, Gray Duiker, Steenbok, Ostrich, Caracal, Black-Faced Impala, Red Lechwe, Damara Dik-Dik, Klipspringer, Black-Backed Jackal, Warthog, Cheetah, Nyala, Chacma Baboon, Game Birds, etc.)

South Africa
• Most provinces do not have a minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting and rely on common sense.
• Some provinces require a minimum of .375 caliber for dangerous or big game hunting.
• No provinces require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Tanzania
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Tanzania is .240 caliber for any game other than dangerous game.
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Tanzania is .375 caliber for dangerous game or big game hunting.
• Tanzania does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Zambia
• Zambia does not have a minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting plains game and rely on common sense. Caliber in the .270 range will be well suited for some of the smaller plains game in Zambia.
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Zambia is .300 caliber for dangerous game such as Leopard and Lion.
• The minimum equipment requirement for rifle hunting in Zambia is .375 caliber for dangerous game or big game hunting such as Elephant, Buffalo and Hippo.
• Zambia does not require a minimum energy (Eo - muzzle velocity) for calibers used.

Zimbabwe
• Class A Game 5300 Joule Minimum caliber 9.2mm in diameter (Elephant, Hippo, Buffalo)
• Class B Game 4300 Joule Minimum caliber 7.0mm in diameter (Lion, Giraffe, Eland)
• Class C Game 3000 Joule Minimum caliber 7.0mm in diameter (Leopard, Crocodile, Kudu, Oryx / Gemsbok, Hartebeest, Wildebeest, Zebra, Nyala, Sable Antelope, Waterbuck, Tsessebe, etc.)
• Class D Game 850 Joule Minimum caliber 5.56mm in diameter (Warthog, Impala, Reedbuck, Sitatunga, Duiker, Steenbok, Jackal, Game Birds, etc.)
• Black Powder Rifles Minimum caliber .40
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I'm strongly left eye dominant as well as being left handed. I've also been shooting left handed bolt guns since 1975 so I'm used to them. It's natural to operate the trigger and reach up with your dominant hand to cycle the bolt. When hunting Dangerous Game you go with what your muscles are trained for.

My bolt guns are all left handed.
Thanks again for the reply.
I too am left eye dominant, and shoot shouldered on the left, but have never shot a rifle with the bolt handle on the left. I suppose it would be an advantage but am kind of looking for the voice of experience, which it is apparent you have (per the pic of the cape under your knee there)
I guess I may look toward finally making the transition to the left side bolt, but as of now kind of in the middle on the whole concept (pun intended)
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375 H&H is available worldwide and easily so. Not so sure about 375 Ruger.
Further, this is going to be a backup rifle for an upcoming trip and I want both in the same chambering.

Why do you prefer the 375 Ruger other than the fact that you have taken game with it and not with an H&H?

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The major things:
30-06/300win length action
Easy as heck to load for
I shoot 250s threw my rifle at 2800 ish.
Can use a standard long action scope base, stock, and better mounting solutions.

If I go to Africa Ill take a 416 Rigby

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I have Kimber Caprivi and Ruger No. one in .375 H&H. If I was buying my first 375, I'd get the CZ 550 Safari Magnum. Five round magazine capacity, great sights, great manufacture, built in BRNO factory -- used by man Professional Hunters I know - MSRP $1215 -- get a VX-2 1-4 Leupold scope and spend the rest of your budget on ammo
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I have Kimber Caprivi and Ruger No. one in .375 H&H. If I was buying my first 375, I'd get the CZ 550 Safari Magnum. Five round magazine capacity, great sights, great manufacture, built in BRNO factory -- used by man Professional Hunters I know - MSRP $1215 -- get a VX-2 1-4 Leupold scope and spend the rest of your budget on ammo
I like the way you think friend!

That looks to be the way i am pointed. Furthermore, I can get a left handed model as Fjold suggests.
I was just going to run irons, but a nice lo power may be the ticket.
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Ruger makes or made a .375H&H in model #1
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Lever Baby!

Ruger makes or made a .375H&H in model #1
Isn't a model 1 a single shot?

This rifle is coming to Africa with me and will be my new moose and brownie rifle. As most moose and brown bear are taken at closer ranges I would prefer the security of a second shot without breaking the breach - and I don't want to rely on my revolver if at all possible.

I appreciate the input but I don't see the sensibility of a lever gun that may or may not feed when. I need it most, nor the single shot limitations of the #1
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My brothers Remington 700 50th anniversary edition in 375hh is pretty slick I think MSRP is around $1600


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Yes but it can be quickly loaded and fired

It is smaller and more compact than a bolt action in the same caliber
A 24" barrel #1 will be the same size as a 20" barrel bolt gun.

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Yes but it can be quickly loaded and fired fairly fast

It is smaller and more compact than a bolt action in the same caliber
A 24" barrel #1 will be the same size as a 20" barrel bolt gun.

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If you really want a bolt
Find a 375H&H built on a mauser with double triggers or build one yourself
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Yes but it can be quickly loaded and fired fairly fast

It is smaller and more compact than a bolt action in the same caliber
A 24" barrel #1 will be the same size as a 20" barrel bolt gun.

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Well, you kept hyping them so I went and had a look.

Man! They are pretty freakin' nice! Now I understand what you meant when you said lever and ruger 1 in the same statement.

I was thinking you meant some sort of a flat sided levergun and I just couldn't picture some 1895 lookin' thing with a .375 H&H chambered in it.
I mean I love lever guns, but I don't trust those flat sides to handle power like that. I am sure it can be done, just not for a 3" plus, round nosed cartridge - not for me anyway ....
However, that ruger #1 sure looks nice. It better be, as it as expensive as the CZ-550 I am currently looking at pretty hard. More actually.

this is the one, and only one I have seen with any sort of attention on my part. I knew what they were but never really saw the point in a single shot and what is that silly trigger guard about.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=394263290

LOL, little did I know, eh?

Still, I think I am better off with a multiple shot bolt rifle. The country where I hunt has some shots from pretty close and I want to know I have a follow up in the magazine versus my fumbin' fingers loading another while ol' Bullwinkle is coming up to say hi. I hate when a moose runs. It means bad things usually.

They are nice though. I can see one of these in my future I bet.

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Another vote for a CZ550



I suggest for a DG rifle to get the European stock. I wish I got a euro stock. That's gonna be a $200 fix down the line sometime.
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I suggest for a DG rifle to get the European stock. I wish I got a euro stock. That's gonna be a $200 fix down the line sometime.
Thanks,

Yep,
I am pretty sure I can get the CZ 550 in lefty but it looks like they only offer the left handed in the American Safari stock with the straight comb. Kind of sucks ... I really would rather get the regular safari stock with the drop comb. If I can do that it is pretty much a done deal.

The CZs just seem to be a really nice rifle from all accounts. I like a nice trigger (who doesn't) and the no creep 3.5 lb trigger pull and short over travel I have read about sound great.
They look nice enough, and people say they shoot well.

Mine will come with express sights though.

Yep, gonna be the CZ I think.
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Double trigger rifles just suck! cool look at but too difficult to use for someone not use to using them. As for thew Ruger single shot,if your really going for dangerous game are you really that good?
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The CZ also has a single set trigger...push it forward to set, and you've got like a 2 pound pull.
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Yes but it can be quickly loaded and fired fairly fast

It is smaller and more compact than a bolt action in the same caliber
A 24" barrel #1 will be the same size as a 20" barrel bolt gun.

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Fast as a charging Cape Buffalo you just wounded on your first shot? I love my No. One but I would want a double rifle or bolt gun if I was shooting something that could kill me. Or even a big moose that could run away while I was fumbling to load my single shot for a follow up. Just saying.'
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If your going to do any dangerous game. Double Gun! There is nothing like knowing the 2nd round is allready loaded. You just have to squeeze the trigger.
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If your going to do any dangerous game. Double Gun! There is nothing like knowing the 2nd round is allready loaded. You just have to squeeze the trigger.
Well, the problem with dbl guns are they are prohibitively expensive for a decent rifle.
Sadly,I am of the budget where I carry my own rifle and quarter and carry my take.

If I had more money, then maybe, but decent dbl guns are spendy

I like the idea of a $2k rifle and a $5k hunt better than a $7k dbl gun and sitting on the couch snd saying "pew pew"

YMMV


I appreciate everyone's input, but it seems it is going to be the CZ 550 American Safari for $1k and a low power scope.

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I took a CZ-55- Safari to Africa in 2009
I used 270 gr Remington Cor-lokt as I found those to be most accurate in my rifle.
They were very effective on plains game with 1-shot kills on Hartebeest, Gemsbok and a rather big Kudu. A Blue wildebeest took two to bring down.
I used a Trijicon 1x4 with a red dot post sight on it which was very useful on the Kudu as I took it at the tail end of dusk.
The set trigger on the CZ is very nice to have I used it when I thought of it, but had no troubles when I didn't.
Good luck and have a great hunt!
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Just remembered Charles Daly imported left hand bolt actions built by Zastava in 375 H&H and .458. Might be able to find one on the used market!
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Just remembered Charles Daly imported left hand bolt actions built by Zastava in 375 H&H and .458. Might be able to find one on the used market!
We did a group buy for Zastava Mausers (the old Charles Daly/Remington 783 guns) last year with a distributor out of Las Vegas. I posted the buy here on Calguns. I got a LH 458 Win mag and we bought over 80 left handed rifles in various chamberings.
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Been watching this thread and dreaming of getting something along these lines. My goal is to eventually hunt a Cape Buffalo, and then maybe a Water Buffalo in Australia. Given that the .375 seems to be the bare minimum allowed, that's what I've been keeping an eye out for... but I'd be just as happy with a bigger hole in the barrel.

Personal preference is an older, classic gun. A double would be an absolute wet dream, but waaay out of my price range. I'd rather not buy an expensive rifle and go to Africa once, but buy a more affordable rifle and go to Africa a couple times. Something that's been to Africa a couple times would be ideal. I don't mind scratches. It adds character. As long as it shoots well.

First choice for me, Pre 64 Model 70, in .375 H&H, maybe .458 Win. Absolutely kicking myself for letting a local one get away on Gunbroker last year. Guy didn't want cash and do a C&R, and the bidding went too high for me. Fair enough, I should have bought it if I wanted it.

Kimber Talkeetna. Very nice rifle if you can find one. One or two seem to come up for sale on GB yearly. About $2000, stainless, and I could use it in Alaska if I ever wanted to see what rain really is.

CZ 550 - I've played with this one and for me, seems to be the best bang for the buck. Very likely I'll grab one of these sometime if I don't find a Mod 70.

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Been watching this thread and dreaming of getting something along these lines. My goal is to eventually hunt a Cape Buffalo, and then maybe a Water Buffalo in Australia. Given that the .375 seems to be the bare minimum allowed, that's what I've been keeping an eye out for... but I'd be just as happy with a bigger hole in the barrel.

Personal preference is an older, classic gun. A double would be an absolute wet dream, but waaay out of my price range. I'd rather not buy an expensive rifle and go to Africa once, but buy a more affordable rifle and go to Africa a couple times. Something that's been to Africa a couple times would be ideal. I don't mind scratches. It adds character. As long as it shoots well.

First choice for me, Pre 64 Model 70, in .375 H&H, maybe .458 Win. Absolutely kicking myself for letting a local one get away on Gunbroker last year. Guy didn't want cash and do a C&R, and the bidding went too high for me. Fair enough, I should have bought it if I wanted it.

Kimber Talkeetna. Very nice rifle if you can find one. One or two seem to come up for sale on GB yearly. About $2000, stainless, and I could use it in Alaska if I ever wanted to see what rain really is.

CZ 550 - I've played with this one and for me, seems to be the best bang for the buck. Very likely I'll grab one of these sometime if I don't find a Mod 70.

One of these days...
A pre-64 .458 is much easier because its a 30-06 length cartridge. All you need to do is rebarrel a standard length action. The H&H mags are longer and the actions rarer and much more expensive. You can alter a standard length action, but most think it removes too much metal. But there is no need to go there. Look at the FN Winchester Model 70 safari Express made in S. Carolina. These are very nice M70s, arguably as good or better than the pre-64s, and available in .375 H&H for $1,300 or so. (MSRP is about $1,400) http://www.winchesterguns.com/produc...01C&mid=535204
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