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Old 02-12-2014, 2:45 PM
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Default winchester 94 30-30 loose?

I was just in to a local gun shop to look at a used '94 30-30..I cocked the lever and pulled it back to handle..it was very hard to cock..not smooth at all..and when the lever returned to wood handle the entirie mechanism was very loose..I mean like making noise when i shook it loose. I'm not that familiar with lever action rifles..I do have a Henry and it is very smooth and tight..am I missing something or is there possibly something wrong with this rifle?
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Old 02-12-2014, 3:02 PM
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I was just in to a local gun shop to look at a used '94 30-30..I cocked the lever and pulled it back to handle..it was very hard to cock..not smooth at all..and when the lever returned to wood handle the entirie mechanism was very loose..I mean like making noise when i shook it loose. I'm not that familiar with lever action rifles..I do have a Henry and it is very smooth and tight..am I missing something or is there possibly something wrong with this rifle?
Should be smooth and tight. Offer the guy less money then take it home and fix it.
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One of my 30/30s from early 80s. Lever is loose, side to side, I have another 80s that only I have shot a box through, nice and tight. Both are equally accurate, I prefer the old used floppy one. Turned It into my deer gun. No issues after plenty of rounds
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Old 02-12-2014, 3:06 PM
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so you say fix it? meaning there is something wrong with it?
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It's a Winchester, if it wasn't loose, it wouldn't work. Get a Marlin.
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Old 02-12-2014, 3:40 PM
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I was looking at the Marlin 336 30-30 it is under $500 at local gunshop. But I'm also wondering if they had a 357/38 special lever action? cheaper ammo
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I would steer away from new marlin models. They are complete junk in my opinion. Nothing wrong with a floppy lever, just means its tried and true.
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I was looking at the Marlin 336 30-30 it is under $500 at local gunshop. But I'm also wondering if they had a 357/38 special lever action? cheaper ammo
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...fire/1894C.asp or http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear...894_45Colt.asp
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Old 02-12-2014, 6:33 PM
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I would steer away from new marlin models. They are complete junk in my opinion. Nothing wrong with a floppy lever, just means its tried and true.
now Im really confused..I thought Marlin was beef eater and tough ,,even he new ones..?
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Old 02-12-2014, 9:28 PM
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I have both Marlins and Winchesters, and they are both quality guns. There is one exception: Post 1964 to late 1970's models used a stamped cartridge carrier (lifter) and these rifles had feeding problems (hard to close on a loaded round). Pre 1964 and 1980's and later models used a heavier, machined part that smoothed out the feeding problem. Recently, Marlin rifles, as now made by Remington were not of the best quality. However, it seems that the learning curve is past and rifles being turned out now are of sound quality.

If the rifle you were looking at is the least bit questionable, you might be buying someone else's troubles and I'd suggest taking a pass on it. They've made a lot of them and it might be better to wait until you find one that you feel comfortable purchasing.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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Winchesters are typically sloppier than others. Sounds bad but its not. Just different.
I got one of those new marlins. 336 in 30-30 and while it was in jail had the action smoothed quite a bit. I do like the tighter tolerances and I've heard the more you work the action the better.
I say go Marlin and have fun.
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after this thread discussion my gut tells me if I buy used I have a less than 50-50 chance of picking up someones problems.

I really don't want to pay $1,000 for a new rifle (Winchester 94 30-30)..not only because it is made in Japan..but because all I do right now is take them to Bonetti RD or down to my daughters place in the high dessert. I love to shoot.

I'm more comfortable buying new. Every gun I own right now I bought new..That said, I'm in a toss up between the Marlin 336 30-30 and the Henry 30-30..

I don't like the lmainated stock on the lower end Marlin but I talked to a guy at one of the gun shops and they have a Marlin 336W 30-30 with a solid stock and gold trigger for $469..the Henry H009B brass reciever and octagon barrel @ $800 and the H009 round barrel @ $650
I think I'm talking myself into the Marlin.

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There were a couple of older 336's on the forum for sale, and i believe an early 1970's model 94. The late 60's and early 70's model 94's are very good guns at a fair price. IMO I own both brands, my oldest 94 is from 1906 and my Marliin is a 1968 carbine.
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Look here : http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/
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after this thread discussion my gut tells me if I buy used I have a less than 50-50 chance of picking up someones problems.

I really don't want to pay $1,000 for a new rifle (Winchester 94 30-30)..not only because it is made in Japan..but because all I do right now is take them to Bonetti RD or down to my daughters place in the high dessert. I love to shoot.

I'm more comfortable buying new. Every gun I own right now I bought new..That said, I'm in a toss up between the Marlin 336 30-30 and the Henry 30-30..

I don't like the lmainated stock on the lower end Marlin but I talked to a guy at one of the gun shops and they have a Marlin 336W 30-30 with a solid stock and gold trigger for $469..the Henry H009B brass reciever and octagon barrel @ $800 and the H009 round barrel @ $650
I think I'm talking myself into the Marlin.
If I was looking for a new 30-30 lever action. I think I'd check out the Mossberg 464 too, they look pretty good to me. Price is around $425 I think.
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If you try to buy any of these, it either says it's not currently available or there are zero available.

I've heard they still haven't been able to get the production up on the 30-30 and 45-70 models to branch out to making the .357 again.
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:56 PM
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I see what you are saying about sloppy lever action with Winchesters..was at LGS today,,all the Wonchesters were sloppy..even an UNFIRED Wincester 94 30-30..mfg date 1991..they wanted $899 for it..they had several in the $400 range..at another LGS I saw a Marlin 336 goldtrigger for $499..I really like the feel of the action and the overall beefyness (is that a word?) of the rifle..
they also had a used Yuma (never heard of it) action was butter..had a brass ejector real nice conidtion..but was pricey
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I have a Win 94, and it's a good gun that shoots just fine. I like my Marlins better.
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I see what you are saying about sloppy lever action with Winchesters..was at LGS today,,all the Wonchesters were sloppy..even an UNFIRED Wincester 94 30-30..mfg date 1991
Hmm that sounds weird what are you finding sloppy about them? I have two Winchester 94s one old 1970 other is older 1932 neither is sloppy.
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