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Old 02-06-2014, 9:56 PM
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A number of years ago I had purchased a Glock 26 for my wife without even thinking the purchase through. I just thought that "The .40 is too much, lets try a 9mm for her". She's a petite woman (5'3, 105lbs) who has a lot of trouble racking the slide on the G26. The kick from a 9mm isn't so much an issue to her it is just having to rack the slide for whatever reason that can be a big problem for her. Now that we have a son this is a bigger issue to me as I don't like the idea of storing our firearms with a round already chambered. I'd like to replace the G26 with something that better fits her hands with an easier rack to slide. I'm even open to the idea of a revolver for her. What would the CalGun's ladies recommend for her in 9mm?
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Training then let her pick at a gun shop.
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first she needs to go to gun shops and handle guns to see what works for her.
then she needs to fire as many as she can....many have rentals.
what I found is that what fit my hand well in the shop often did not work for me at the range.

you are open to revolvers: is SHE open to one?
stay away from the ultra lights......especially in .38/.357. the first rental I fired was one of those and I almost didn't pick up another pistol!
I am a fan of the smith and Wesson line of J frames but I also bought K frames as I became more experienced....used K frames models 19 and 66. I love that 66! but I also love my model 60 J frame snubby.....

re racking the slide: there are a lot of videos on youtube showing a really good maneuver for women which involves pushing the gun away rather than pulling the slide. it is the method i use for my .45acp and 9mm smith and Wesson.
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How about an older off roster P85, I know some here do not like that particular handgun....
But its like Ford vs Chevy to me. Same thing good handgun.

I have two bi-lateral carpal tunnel surgeries done in the early 70's back before micro-surgery. It is all technique and practice and the will to 'rack slides' in my opinion. Although I have tried to rack mini semi-autos and find it difficult I think it was a KAHR.
I did try the LC9 and I can do that one.
I am 5'5" and 120 and can pretty much rack any slide other than the aforementioned.
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yes, do not discount off roster: my 9mm is a smith and Wesson 3953, DA only.
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Are you able to take her to a monthly shoot in your area? My mother-in-law recently attended the Burbank shoot because she's looking for a revolver and Calgunners practically brought out every revolver they owned to let her try out.

This could be a great way for your wife to try different types of 9mm.

If not, definitely go to the range, rent different types and let her fire them to see what she likes best.
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Revolver might work best.....38 spl +P
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Bought my wife a Ruger SP101 357 revolver at first, semi automatic slide was an issue for her too. Ran 38 ammo in the 357, (she had 5 rounds to my 10) I have a Glock 19, she found the strength to rack the slide and now has a Glock 26 also. I was told by another lady to get the hand exerciser putty or squeeze thing and keep in the car when she drives. My 2 cents.

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The full size M&P 9 seem to be easier to rack than any other auto my wife tried.
Ended up with a compact which seem to be as stiff as the competition.
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Been looking the Remington R51 a little bit. Probably won't make the roster, but the guy was able to rack the slide with 1 finger. So, must be pretty easy to rack. Tried the same with my glock 35, can't do it with the same ease as the guy in the video did it.

Fast forward to 1:22 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgmCxuW3rgY
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We have lots of ladies that go through some of our classes and that is the most common issues we have.

First there are some techniques that can help her gain the strength and ability to rack the slide. Also if the gun is still on the new side, be a good husband and put some wear on that spring or grab an aftermarket and see if that helps....

Last resort is to switch weapons.. that is unless you want the 26 for yourself and then I say... go for it
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Or, you could try one of these: http://brassstacker.com/glock/slide-...glock-pistols/

I bought one of each size; my wife can now rack a G17.
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Are you able to take her to a monthly shoot in your area? My mother-in-law recently attended the Burbank shoot because she's looking for a revolver and Calgunners practically brought out every revolver they owned to let her try out.

This could be a great way for your wife to try different types of 9mm.

If not, definitely go to the range, rent different types and let her fire them to see what she likes best.
Unlikely no. She's not the biggest fan of firearms though has no issues with me owning them. She just wants something that if someone ever breaks in with her home, she can grab, point, and shoot to defend her and our son.
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The First Rule is the largest frame in a caliber you can manage. If that is a Glock 20, in 10mm, ok, if it is a S&W 686 6'" in .38 special, then ok. The biggest mistake everyone makes is a small frame weapon that has brutal recoil. Your wife will only shoot it one time. My recommendation? Either a G17 or a S&W 686, or a 1911 in 9mm. Small hands do not mean small guns, not at all. Shooting is all about controlling recoil, stance, grip and sight picture, nothing else matters
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I can't hold a 686....but that model 66 is great in my hand.
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Go with a lighter spring and un captured guide rod. Like a 13lb spring. Standard is a 15lb spring. I use a tungsten guide rod and a 13 lb spring for my comp pistol and can rack it with 2 fingers below the front of the slide.
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My wife can handle racking Springfield XD4" in 9mm.
But it's not entirely comfortable for her.

So we bought several Ruger 357 magnum 101 revolvers. She shoots
38 special upto 38+ to reduce recoil... the heavyweight of the revolver
absorbs a lot of the energy from the lighter load compared to Magnum
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My wife is petite and she has some arthritis developing in her hands and therefore has a really rough time racking a slide and doing a long DA pull on a trigger. She wanted a gun that would be gentle at the range but also effective if needed for HD when I'm not there. Recoil isn't a big issue for her but she's also not into taking more punishment than the target.

I recently got her a Ruger Vaquero SA six gun in 38spl/357 so that I can supply her with light reloads for target practice and load it up with 357 magnums when it's in the bedside safe. Sure, it's only got six rounds but they're 357's and very effective. The trigger is easy to fan or thumb, the SA trigger is light, the grip is small and easy to grasp, the heft of the stainless steel gun with its 5.5" barrel minimizes recoil and provides a long sight plane, and there's no slide to mess with. It's the first handgun she's used that she actually enjoys shooting. That'll go a long way to getting her familiar with the gun and how it shoots.

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Unlikely no. She's not the biggest fan of firearms though has no issues with me owning them. She just wants something that if someone ever breaks in with her home, she can grab, point, and shoot to defend her and our son.
I just returned from a defensive training class I took in Reno. There is so much more than grab, point, and shoot if and when the time comes one is confronted with that situation. Many people with that mindset are really saying they hope it never happens because they really could never pull the trigger to take the life of another person. Us male types can act macho about it, but the fact is, when it happens, that one second of hesitation to pull the trigger is the difference between our life and death. I speak from experience having been in that situation 40 years ago and it still haunts me. In the end, I did what I had to do.

I came away from my class amazed at how much the BG know and how most of what they say and do is calculated to keep you off guard so they use the element of surprise. They even have little tricks to disarm you or stop you from shooting should they determine you are carrying or show you have a gun.

For your wife, the type of gun is not the problem, it is not wanting to deal with the question, "What will I do if I am ever confronted by a BG and I have to defend myself and my child because my husband is not around to defend my child and me?"

Gently suggest she take a women's introductory gun self-defense class. The majority of them do not even involve range time but they do give good, solid information. You give up a Saturday and watch your son, and she takes the class. Maybe spring the money so she can attend with a girlfriend or two.

Then, she needs to go shooting at least once a month if she is serious about self-defense. That is a minimum. Under the stress of a situation involving a BG, one has to know the gun so well they can operate it without having to think about it. It is second nature, like driving one's car. Pistols are less complicated, but one has to be able to reload quickly, in today's world, one has to be ready for the unseen BG that is waiting outside. In the class I took, I heard stories of how pistols malfunctioned at the wrong time leaving the person relying upon them dead. It does not happen very often, but it does. So even if you go that route, she still needs to practice.

As the Librarian mentioned, there is a product that makes racking the G26 very easy.

http://www.glockstore.com/mag-parts-...harging-handle

Here is another idea, though I do not like that it sticks out to the side. The inventor though uses it in competition and likes it for that reason and did also invent it for women who had problems racking the slide. He felt that issues with racking the slide should not keep one from not using a gun they would otherwise want to use.

http://www.glockstore.com/mag-parts-...harging-handle
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My wife is petite and she has some arthritis developing in her hands and therefore has a really rough time racking a slide and doing a long DA pull on a trigger. She wanted a gun that would be gentle at the range but also effective if needed for HD when I'm not there. Recoil isn't a big issue for her but she's also not into taking more punishment than the target.

I recently got her a Ruger Vaquero SA six gun in 38spl/357 so that I can supply her with light reloads for target practice and load it up with 357 magnums when it's in the bedside safe. Sure, it's only got six rounds but they're 357's and very effective. The trigger is easy to fan or thumb, the SA trigger is light, the grip is small and easy to grasp, the heft of the stainless steel gun with its 5.5" barrel minimizes recoil and provides a long sight plane, and there's no slide to mess with. It's the first handgun she's used that she actually enjoys shooting. That'll go a long way to getting her familiar with the gun and how it shoots.
Just as one person's opinion.........I'd never discount the old-style single-action as an effective and reliable self-defence weapon.

The current version of the Ruger, unlike the old Colt, can be kept loaded with all six, safely. Unless the potential victim has seven or more very brave and determined assailants, six rounds, used properly, will settle any reasonably plausible situation, with grim finality.

A 38spl, particularly the +P version, at close range, is more than adequately powerful to 'stop the threat', if its user has practiced enough to hit 'centre of mass' quickly and reliably, under the level of stress unavoidably present in such a situation.

(with this caveat.....if one's assailant is a large feral dog, large wild pig, mountain lion, or similar life-form, then the full-charge .357 is 'just barely adequate', if the victim can remain 'cool' enough under stress to place their shots accurately)

The important consideration......in this one person's opinion, anyway...... is the 'practice, practice, and more practice' to develop the 'muscle memory' which enables the person to fire quickly and accurately, if the decision to fire is made.

Its the issue of evaluating the situation, and making the seriously 'fateful' decision 'to fire or not' which is the real, grim, and serious challenge in any self-defence situation.

The idea of practice, practice, practice, to develop so-called 'muscle memory is that, in any potential self-defence situation, making the decision to 'fire or not' will completely occupy the potential victim's thought process, so if the decision to fire is made, the actual process of presenting the weapon and firing with reasonable accuracy is 'automatic', from 'muscle memory'.

Its purely a personal decision as to whether one should invest the practice time, to be adequately capable should a real, unavoidable self-defence situation be forced upon the victim, which may happen only once in one's life-time, or may never happen.

Hopefully, the ability to be able to present the weapon quickly, and allow the home invader or other assailant, that 'second of decision' to stop, turn, and run away, will result in the threat being resolved without having to fire.

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good advice and food for thought once again, Carla.
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I agree with others that have posted... This is screaming revolver.
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If you're anywhere near Central California, I'd recommend her taking the WTS Women & Handguns Course

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I'm a gal, and I've been through this process with myself and my sister.

I tried: Sig 2020, Glock 19, Glock 26, M&P9 fullsize, M&P9c, XD9, XD9sc, XD9 tactical, M&P Shield 40, M&P Shield 9, Ruger SR9c, Ruger SR40c, HK P2000 9mm.

I enjoyed the following the most: Sig 2020, Glock 19, M&P9 fullsize, M&P9c, XD9, M&P Shield 9 & 40

My sister enjoyed and purchased an M&P9 fullsize.

First, your gal needs training to get comfortable with the "bang" response, and to train the hands and arms to work in the racking process.

Second, don't make a quick decision...once you get used to the gun, the bang, and the "new" experience, the function of using the gun gets easier...THEN...you can make a decision of which one shoots and feels the best for the individual.

Third, you need to know the goal of getting the gun...all of the most popular handguns are great, but you need to know the goal, so that the shooting mechanism can solve the goal. For example, if you are going to carry in a holster, then M&P or Glock with striker fire is OK. If you are thinking in a purse, inside the waist band, etc., then you may want something with a safety or DA/SA decocker or grip safety.

For me, if I wanted to carry outside the waist band in a holster, I would have no problem with a Glock or an M&P without the safety. But if it is in the pocket or inside the waste band, I would want something with more safety, such as a revolver, an external safety, or a decocker. But each person is different, and has different needs and desires.

I like the M&P9c with the thumb safety.
I also like the Sig 2022 with the decocker.
I really like the M&P Shield with the safety!
And I like the S&W 637-2 .38 revolver

But if you are just starting out, getting a fullsize is really the way to go...because if you are taking classes, taking a class with the fullsize is so much easier and better, in my opinion. You carry the compact and subcompacts, but you train with fullsize...that what I'm coming to experience! And that's just my experience....others will feel differently....

Bottom line....have her shoot it herself.
When my sister did six guns up against each other, the M&P9 won hands down.
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first she needs to go to gun shops and handle guns to see what works for her.
then she needs to fire as many as she can....many have rentals.
what I found is that what fit my hand well in the shop often did not work for me at the range.

you are open to revolvers: is SHE open to one?
stay away from the ultra lights......especially in .38/.357. the first rental I fired was one of those and I almost didn't pick up another pistol!
I am a fan of the smith and Wesson line of J frames but I also bought K frames as I became more experienced....used K frames models 19 and 66. I love that 66! but I also love my model 60 J frame snubby.....

re racking the slide: there are a lot of videos on youtube showing a really good maneuver for women which involves pushing the gun away rather than pulling the slide. it is the method i use for my .45acp and 9mm smith and Wesson.
^^ This is always the right answer. Rent/shoot as many as possible then she will choose.

Sub compacts are seldom right for someone who almost never shoots.

Technique is almost always the reason someone can't rack a slide.
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It's worth it to re-iterate: Small guns with high calibers kick like an SOB, are not appropriate for first guns and they are the best possible way to make a newbie hate shooting.

I think many women are apt to want small light guns, thinking they can't handle the full size ones. But it's better all around to get a larger, heavier gun so as to reduce recoil, and then you build up some muscle practicing on the range to manage the weight.

For instance, I can't shoot .45 out of any size Glock, kicks the crap out of my (aging) hands. But I can shoot .45 out of a full size 1911 just fine. What's the difference? The weight of a fully metal gun absorbs a lot more of the shock. You just have to hold them up more.

And ElDub is almost always correct, as above.
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As always, I recommend that she try out a variety of guns first. Rent, borrow, etc.. Also, take a look at the Smith and Wesson SD9 VE (9mm). It's lightweight and inexpensive, was recently on sale at Turners.
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