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Old 02-04-2014, 7:15 AM
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Default ** Official Signup for the Inland Empire Reloading Club Workshop February 16th.

Inland Empire (Riverside) Reloading Club Sunday February 16th Reloading Workshop

Our reloading workshop / classes differ from most classes that merely lecture. This will be a "Hands on" reloading class where you will make and take home the ammo you craft. The majority of students who have taken this course have gained the skills to reload on their own.

We will cover the basics of reloading in a way that will be remembered. You will learn by doing hands on.

Most standard pistol calibers can be covered. Rifle may be limited to 30-06, .308 and .223. However ask if you have a rifle caliber and we have dies and components we will make it happen. Brass could be the deciding factor here.

There will be a donation for this class of $70.00 for club members receive a $20.00 discount. Lunch is included in the cost of the class.

Components for one box of pistol (50 rounds) or 2 boxes of 223 (40 rounds) or 1 box of large rifle (20 rounds) are included. Brass is not included. There will be clean brass in most cases available for exchange as there is no time to clean brass the day of the event. Should you like to get your brass cleaned PM me to get it done in advance.

Lesson #1 Reloaders save their brass.

Location is in Riverside near the 91fwy. Registration 8:30 am and 9:00 am start time.

Some clean brass will be available on exchange basis as there will not be enough time in the class to clean your brass. Should you have brass that needs cleaning if you can get it to Stilly, he will run it through the tumbler prior to the class.

If you would like to attend, please post and PM me. Please also include the rifle or pistol calibers you would be interested in making and taking home to shoot. Please understand there is usually only tie to load one choice of calibers in the class.

The class size will be limited to 18 students. ID will be required. Must be 18 years old or must be 21 to load Pistol ammo unless with a parent.

We are also looking for experienced reloaders for oversight and safety. Please me if you are willing to help.


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J.O. .....................556
wforider................308 or 223/556
Rareform .............308
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propman07...........45acp
SoCal Gunner ........45 acp
Jon Road King.........556, 308 or .45 ACP
Mike Jones .............44 magnum
GW2010 .................45 ACP



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I have some reloading experience. I reload mostly pistol but have a general understanding of rifle rounds. I can be a volunteer if u will have me and will possibly bring a non calguns member for the class. He will do 223 second choice 9mm.
I can clean some 223. Brass but don't have a bunch.
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No experience reloading, but willing to try as long as I get help to ensure I don't blow myself or my guns up. I have some used brass since I keep what i shoot and collect brass from people who do not want it. It is not cleaned tho.

It would be 9mm, .45 or .38. I'll bring 50 rounds of brass for each. I figure that way, if some dies are tied up, I can do another one. 9mm and .45 would be my primary choices tho.
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I went to the class in January, and I'm hooked. I'm in for this one as well....prefer 45 ACP or 9mm. I have some dirty brass to bring as well. Thanks.
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Looks like I will be able to help instruct that day.

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No experience reloading, but willing to try as long as I get help to ensure I don't blow myself or my guns up. I have some used brass since I keep what i shoot and collect brass from people who do not want it. It is not cleaned tho.

It would be 9mm, .45 or .38. I'll bring 50 rounds of brass for each. I figure that way, if some dies are tied up, I can do another one. 9mm and .45 would be my primary choices tho.
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Pencil me in as an instructor. I will be there unless work is in the way. I will be able to confirm the week prior.
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Pencil me in as an instructor. I will be there unless work is in the way. I will be able to confirm the week prior.


How should the weather be?

OH hey, Bullseye Sports is going to start opening their doors on Sundays now. Gonna happen after they get their store situated around a bit.
They have primers and bullets and a LOT of brass. I just picked up a pack of 50 7.62x39 OF shells for 8.99. I aint complaining.
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Anyone in the IE who is interested in reloading should look at this. It is so much better to have some one there in front of you to answer every question you can come up with in real time while YOU are reloading. There is also a lot of good current equipment to use while you are building your loads.
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PM sent. I'm good for both instructing/volunteering and maybe some loading if time/room for it. Details in the PM.
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Sorry BigBronco an emergency came up and im out for this weekend. Hope I can be of help on the next one.
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Anyone thinking about reloading should really take this class. I took the class in OC last summer and can't recommend it enough. After the class I felt confident that I can reload safely and properly.
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Hey! I want in!

I already got the okay from the boss for a play date all day Sunday.

I'd like to learn at least one pistol and one rifle caliber. Any combination of .357, 45acp, .223, and .308. I'm sure I've got plenty of brass (used/dirty) for each and will do my best to pick up whatever components I need for the class.

I haven't read all the replies in this thread yet because I wanted to make sure and throw my name in the ring to hopefully get a spot.

I'll check back later 'cause if I need to buy some components, I'll need to make it happen before Friday.
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I already got the okay from the boss for a play date all day Sunday.

I'd like to learn at least one pistol and one rifle caliber. Any combination of .357, 45acp, .223, and .308. I'm sure I've got plenty of brass (used/dirty) for each and will do my best to pick up whatever components I need for the class.

I haven't read all the replies in this thread yet because I wanted to make sure and throw my name in the ring to hopefully get a spot.

I'll check back later 'cause if I need to buy some components, I'll need to make it happen before Friday.
Hi desertrider, components are included with your donation to the class, you just need to bring brass to exchange for tumbled brass of the caliber you choose. Not sure if Bigbronco has any .357 brass to trade, he will have to chime in on that but all your other calibers should be covered. Typically there is only time to learn the steps on one caliber (rifle or pistol) but during lunch or after class you can ask questions to get filled in on steps that differ from the caliber of your choice.
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I have both covered also but they have both been loaded 15+ times
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The "boss" just informed me I have a wedding to be at on Sunday for someone I don't even know.



I bought dies, bullets and primers too.

You guys do the workshops quarterly?

Perhaps by then I'll have powder and a tumbler.

BTW I'm reloading .338LM
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I took the reloading class last year from these gentlemen and learned a lot. I had loaded a fair amount of pistol ammo but wanted some insight on doing rifle rounds especially 223/556.
Topics covered were case prep, decapping,swaging, trimming, sizing, priming, etc., all the way to having your very own box of reloads. They were very busy and I had to leave before all mine was done but absolutely recommend this workshop to anyone starting out.
I finally got around to reloading some of this caliber at home on my Dillon 550B with Lyman Dies. This was for my new Ruger SR556 rifle. I finally got the chance to take it out shoot it and zero the sights and red dot. I shot factory loads to do the sighting and finally loaded a mag of my reloads. At this point I have to say "WTH!"
Two of the first three rounds would not chamber correctly in the rifle with the last round sticking badly enough it took some "significant" force on the charging handle to get the round out of the rifle. After a close inspection we chambered and shot a few more factory loads without a problem.
After much gnashing of teeth, forum reading, and Utubing, I feel a little bit more confidant in my ability to load this caliber for my apparently picky gun.

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This problem is NOT that uncommon it seems. It stems apparently mostly from the sizing operation. Some dies do not size all the way to the base of the case. One of the best ways to assess your case after sizing is by using a case gauge. I bought the Dillon case gauge and I'd say it's as critical to a good product as any of the other hardware you're going to acquire. Go to YouTube and search Dillon case gauge to get an idea how to use it. The difference between a case that will chamber and one that won't is very subtle but this tool with tell you.It also will instantly tell you if your trim length is right without a caliper. The gauge is on the right. After checking some of my first batch I could see the problem by using the gauge(I guess I will now learn how to pull a bunch of bullets and recycle my components.)

I also got a set of the RCBS AR small base dies. This sizing die sizes all the way down the base. This die set can be ordered with a roll crimp die or taper crimp die. In the picture you see this set is the taper crimp(TC) set.

After using the CTS trimmer at the workshop, I ordered one. Very easy to trim a good batch of cases quickly. I just chuck it in my drill press and go to town.

A few thoughts on sizing/trimming here. Let me state I do NOT have years of experience loading this caliber and invite those with more experience and knowledge to chime in.
You hear a lot about the cases stretching due to firing the round. I had a sense that the sizing operation especially sizing the neck might also have an effect on case length. I checked a very small batch for change in length before/after sizing. My small test batch and old eyes seemed to indicate that a change in length of 0.005 to 0.010 my be caused by the neck sizing operation. Hmmm... perhaps it would be better to size then trim.

So... in light of the abject failure of my first batch I did a very small(20 rounds) batch like this...

1. Decap and full length size the cases with the small base die on the Rockchucker JR just to eliminate any variables on the progressive press.

2. Trim to length with the CTS trimmer on the drill press.

3. Switch to the Dillon 550B for the rest of the process. prime, charge(26g W748, which meters very nicely btw), seat the 55g bullet, and taper crimp in the 4th station. Since I had the Lyman seat/crimp die, I used it just to seat the bullet and just give it a smooch with the crimp die to finish(RCBS says you only need .001 to .002 crimp to be effective).

I used the case gauge throughout the process to assure myself things were going ok. I also ran a small batch of inert rounds( no powder or primer) to check the chambering of the product without having to go the range or risk a slamfire while racking the rifle at home.
I ran the inert rounds through the gun a number of times and they chambered and ejected flawlessly. Victory! I had only one problem as one time I didn't snap the bolt back in battery but eased it in and it tried to double feed and pushed the bullet back into the case. I'm claiming the blame for this one.

On recommendation of a friend I picked up some Rem 7 1/2 primers. There is another whirlwind of info/dissent on soft or hard primers in semi-auto rifles. The AR has a free-floating firing pin and some feel that using a softer primer like the Win SRP is asking for trouble and you should go to a harder primer like the Rem or CCI which makes a mil-spec primer for AR guns. Others say they've loaded 10's of thousands of Win primers with no issues. I have no opinion but though I'd try the Rem as I found a brick.

BTW there is a new shop in Temecula called West Coast Ammo. Very near where Faith Armory was before they moved. This shop has powder, primers, cases, bullets, loaded ammo, and reloading gear(tools, presses, etc.). This is where I scored the Rem primers. Very cool guys. Be sure to check them out.

There is a ton of info on the forums and internet on the topics I covered here. Do your homework! AND do SMALL batches until you get your prep/load recipe dialed in. Maybe some day I'll get this figured out and be able to contribute more than CO2 to one of the workshops.

Carry on! Grampz

Oh yeah, the Hornaday case lube wax is awesome. It's easy to use too much without even trying. Just a light dab of your finger on the can and spin on the case is enough. don't worry about full coverage as a little on each case keeps the die lubed up fine. Be sure to go easy on a new die as it's dry. ease a case in and if it feels too tight, back it out. A touch more lube and try again. a couple of shots and it will be ready to use.

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Didn't get on the address list, please PM me.

Been fighting off the on set of a cold all day. Doing the Vitamin C overload and plenty of fluids routine.

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I bought dies, bullets and primers too.

You guys do the workshops quarterly?

Perhaps by then I'll have powder and a tumbler.

BTW I'm reloading .338LM
Well then sounds like someone needs to tell her she will be arriving there alone...


Sorry bro, YOU ARE COMMITTED to sunday, You made this appointment 5 months ago and have been waiting and waiting to get it because we only allow a handful of guys at a time. It might be another year now with all the panic buying that is going on. YOUR PRIMERS will expire and your would have wasted a LOT of precious money by the time of the next one. No can do, If you do not show up then some poor child will NOT learn how to reload because we are cut to the wire (oh oh, here it comes, Stilly in snapple fact mode!) WE ARE CUT IN PERSONNEL and WE have a SIGNED PACT with George Bush that NO CHILD SHALL BE LEFT BEHIND! If you do not make it then that means that at least 1 child, maybe more will not get to reload and THAT means that they will be left behind and for the past 14+ years we have NEVER left a child behind. It is FOR the children that we do this, so THAT no child may be left behind. Is that wedding for the children? Thank you I thought so. If we break our word then we will be disgraced and if we are disgraced then we will loose our 457C and 403B status and if THAT happens then Kestryll will be removed from the board and that will cause him to get an ulcer and he might die because he has no more tissue left that is tough enough in his liver (what with all that modding he has to do and all the drinking he does).

So let;s recap, If you go to the wedding then children will kill someone... So I guess we will see you Sunday...
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I'm out.

In the last 48 hrs I've gone from sniffles and a tickle in the back of my throat
to a full on cold. Not gonna risk getting any worse.

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^^^ Hope you recover soon. Thanks for not passing it on to us.
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Just wanted to throw a quick shout-out to everyone at the reloading clinic today. I learned a lot and had a good time doing it. Thanks to all that participated.
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Damn. I am going to conduct a study and maybe setup cameras to see when exactly I change at night. Today was a good day but now my left nipple is hurting along with my feet...

Glad we cleared up a few MISCONCEPTIONS from ANOTHER FORUM in regards to LIABILITY and SHARING YOUR PET LOADS... OH, AND the potential ramifications of using reloads in duty weapons or while on duty...

Glad that folks left with all fingers and in good spirits...
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I enjoyed myself today and thank all of you volunteers for being there to help us. It was informative and due to the great instruction from BigBronco and chknlyps2, I left with some .45 cal ammo that I made. I also learned that when the resistance is strong on the press when attempting to seat the bullet to the case, one should probably back off. I took home 49 rounds instead of 50, but I learned something.

Stilly, if I had read your post #33 before I arrived, I would have understood you better.
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Damn wish I could make it I can't get out of a previous engagement with the family maybe next time.
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