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Old 02-03-2014, 10:37 AM
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Finally made a not so well thought out, spur of the moment purchase of a gun yesterday. Lucky for me I kept it to a $150 rifle.

I think I got a pretty decent one, bolt moved really smooth, and most of the wood looks pretty good. I brought a bore light with me and looked down the barrel, it wasn't very bright, but I could see the grooves despite the caked on packing grease.

So what does a new 91/30 owner do while he waits 10 days?
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You got suckered into the Big5 ad didnt you?!?!
I thought the same darn thing. My buddy has one and shoots really good.
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You got suckered into the Big5 ad didnt you?!?!
I thought the same darn thing. My buddy has one and shoots really good.
Haha, guilty! But I really like the salesman/manager they have there. He's knowledgeable and helpful, and has even bent the rules on sales for me before. People like that are a dying breed in retail so I don't feel too bad paying a little more than others for a purely recreational purchase.
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So what does a new 91/30 owner do while he waits 10 days?
Orders some surplus ammo.
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Surplus ammo is a must.

Since it came with the sling, bayonet, and ammo pouches I've considered getting more tacticool (for 1931) stuff to wear as a joke on a couple of my range ninja buddies. I don't think they would get it though.
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Nothing wrong in the world with Big 5 Mosins. You should completely disassemble and clean all the cosmo out of it. Take care during reassembly to not lose the trigger retaining pin as it can fall out when not held in place by the stock.

Also make sure you seat the firing pin to the right depth, using the tear drop shaped tool for a guide. Then go out and have fun. Clean the weapon well after shooting to avoid rust. I personally spray Windex into the action and barrel right after shooting, and just clean later that evening.
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Visit the C&R section for all things Mosin.
I've bought a few from Big 5. Pretty much the same as the ones I bought elsewhere.
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Nothing wrong in the world with Big 5 Mosins. You should completely disassemble and clean all the cosmo out of it. Take care during reassembly to not lose the trigger retaining pin as it can fall out when not held in place by the stock.

Also make sure you seat the firing pin to the right depth, using the tear drop shaped tool for a guide. Then go out and have fun. Clean the weapon well after shooting to avoid rust. I personally spray Windex into the action and barrel right after shooting, and just clean later that evening.
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Congrats, they are addictive. Next you will be looking into a Hex, or a carbine

Personally for me the cleaning method that works the best is mineral spirits in a bread pan with a paint brush from the dollar store. The pan is the perfect size for the trigger guard, bolt and small parts. Then a bucket for the barreled receiver. EDIT: Mineral Spirits on metal parts only, not the wood.

Then lots of paper towels and some heat for the stock. (black trashbag trick when it gets hotter)
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Steam Shark and a rag works wonders on cosmolineand after shooting. Wear gloves though, it gets HOT! Ask me how I know.
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Are you planning on keeping the original shellac finish, or stripping and refinishing?
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Steam Shark and a rag works wonders on cosmolineand after shooting. Wear gloves though, it gets HOT! Ask me how I know.
Tried this before, IMO its way more work than mineral spirits.
The spirits literally melt it away with no effort.

I wonder every time I see steam advocated, have you tried mineral spirits?
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Try the mineral spirits first, wait until dry, THEN use the steamer.

Better yet would be a heat gun so you wouldn't have to worry about any water messing up the wood.
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Are you planning on keeping the original shellac finish, or stripping and refinishing?
Definitely going to do what I can in the garage, for little money, to get her to shoot, look, and work the best she can. I bought it with the intention of it being a project gun. Nothing crazy mind you, my day of poking around after purchasing has once again confirmed that the sky is the limit even when starting with a $150 rifle.
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Try the mineral spirits first, wait until dry, THEN use the steamer.

Better yet would be a heat gun so you wouldn't have to worry about any water messing up the wood.
I do have a heat gun handy, any worries about it going too hot? Obviously don't want to burn the wood, but I figure there is some sweet spot to bring it out while not cooking it in.
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Mineral spirits are great for the metal parts. But I've read it's not good for the wood, and won't get the deep cosmo out anyway (since it's soaked through all the wood).

I've tried the garbage bag in the sun with good results, but in winter that won't work. I made a Mosin oven with a box and temp adjustable heat gun a few weeks back. Takes two stocks. Best way I've found for the winter. Wipe them down every hour or so. I used bricks to direct the heat more evenly inside the box. Used a cheap piece of HVAC tube to set the heat gun in. You only need the temp to be around 140 or so inside the box. I've done a few with this and worked better then anything else I tried.





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Mineral spirits are great for the metal parts. But I've read it's not good for the wood, and won't get the deep cosmo out anyway (since it's soaked through all the wood).

I've tried the garbage bag in the sun with good results, but in winter that won't work. I made a Mosin oven with a box and temp adjustable heat gun a few weeks back. Takes two stocks. Best way I've found for the winter. Wipe them down every hour or so. I used bricks to direct the heat more evenly inside the box. Used a cheap piece of HVAC tube to set the heat gun in. You only need the temp to be around 140 or so inside the box. I've done a few with this and worked better then anything else I tried.





I wonder if you could hook that up to a dryer vent........
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I wonder if you could hook that up to a dryer vent........
I thought about it! Didn't try it though.

I would think a small space heater too if you could duct the air into the box. Took about 5 minutes to make though and worked great.
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Like many Mosin addicts I started with a Big 5 Mosin several years ago too. Unfortunately you just missed all the C&R fun that was pre 2014. Still though, to me Mosins offer the most amount of fun for the least amount of money. Buy a bunch of ammo and go nuts. Next you'll probably be looking into getting a Mosin carbine.
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Since it came with the sling, bayonet, and ammo pouches I've considered getting more tacticool (for 1931) stuff to wear as a joke on a couple of my range ninja buddies. I don't think they would get it though.
The mosin mall ninjas out pretty well. That archangel stock, maybe a bipod...
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Mineral spirits are great for the metal parts. But I've read it's not good for the wood, and won't get the deep cosmo out anyway (since it's soaked through all the wood).
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Definitely going to do what I can in the garage, for little money, to get her to shoot, look, and work the best she can. I bought it with the intention of it being a project gun. Nothing crazy mind you, my day of poking around after purchasing has once again confirmed that the sky is the limit even when starting with a $150 rifle.
I live in a mobile home park where I have no garage and still managed to clean, strip, and refinish the rifle all in the driveway with a couple of sawhorses and didn't cost me all that much at all; just the materials and that was it which I think I did for only 10-15.


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I do have a heat gun handy, any worries about it going too hot? Obviously don't want to burn the wood, but I figure there is some sweet spot to bring it out while not cooking it in.
I didn't worry about it getting too hot, I usually ran it over a large section of wood until I saw the cosmo bleeding/evaporating out, wipe down with a rag, keep heating until no more comes out, then move onto the next section.

I'd use an oven glove on the hand doing the wiping, those things get HOT.

edit: also, for getting the majority of it off the wood without harming the shellac coating/wood, try using Tilex Lemon scent with NO bleach. Can find it at Walmart, chemically it breaks down the cosmo and won't harm the wood/finish.
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Thanks a bunch guys, once again pleasantly surprised by the number of helpful responses from this community. Can't wait to clean her up and take out some fascist milk jugs.

I'll keep y'all updated with some photos once I get her out of jail.
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If you weren't in Manteca, I'd offer to have you come to the C&R shoot at WEGC on the 16th. I think there's a C&R shoot that happens in N.Cal though.
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If you weren't in Manteca, I'd offer to have you come to the C&R shoot at WEGC on the 16th. I think there's a C&R shoot that happens in N.Cal though.
Funny thing is one of the local ranges here is pretty much ran by and for old fogies and their wood stocked bolt guns, so I'll fit right in at what is usually a C and R shoot most days
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Funny thing is one of the local ranges here is pretty much ran by and for old fogies and their wood stocked bolt guns, so I'll fit right in at what is usually a C and R shoot most days
Lol nailed it. The ROs out are pretty cool though.
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Duke is a nice guy for sure. I usually try to make it out there on weekday mornings so it is pretty dead and they don't sweat it when I shoot a little faster than I'm supposed to.
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Where is this at?
WEGC, over by Lytle Creek, off the 15 and Sierra.

Here's the relevant thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=881840
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I bought a 1933 Tula hex receiver 91/30 from Big 5 last year for $169. Took it all apart and cleaned all the metal parts in a turkey pan with mineral spirits and a nylon brush. Wiped all the wood down with the mineral spirit-soaked rags too, to get all the cosmoline off. Worked great, put it all back together, oiled it up and took it out shooting. Ivan or whomever must have sighted it in before putting it in the crate in the salt mine, because it is accurate as hell! Now my big issue is trying to decide whether to put a scope on it or not. Thinking about one of these, since they don't require altering the original sights:
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I was looking at those earlier D23, I've heard the accuracy can be pretty iffy on these old gals (4 MOA seems average) so I'm guessing it would work well with a red-dot. I would say if you are not grouping at two inches or better don't bother with magnification.

I would rather have the scope up there because unlike most people I like the straight bolt handle and would like to keep the rifle looking so unique.

I'm also looking quite a bit at the aftermarket trigger from Timney which comes with a new safety. I thought people were exaggerating the stiffness of the factory safety until I tried it at the store.
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I was looking at those earlier D23, I've heard the accuracy can be pretty iffy on these old gals (4 MOA seems average) so I'm guessing it would work well with a red-dot. I would say if you are not grouping at two inches or better don't bother with magnification.

I would rather have the scope up there because unlike most people I like the straight bolt handle and would like to keep the rifle looking so unique.

I'm also looking quite a bit at the aftermarket trigger from Timney which comes with a new safety. I thought people were exaggerating the stiffness of the factory safety until I tried it at the store.
There are a lot of DIY trigger jobs out there. My first Mosin was a '37 that shot decent but had about a 12lb trigger. I followed some of the online directions to smooth it out. HUGE difference. But you need to be careful doing it.

Here's one of many:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...agant-trigger/

Your call but sinking a ton of money into a very cheap milsurp kind of defeats the point IMO. If you're going to have another $100 in trigger and $200 in a scope a cheap new Stevens/Savage for the same money will be way more accurate. But all depends on what you want. I would at least try some trigger mods first. They're free.
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i bought a big 5 mosin about 2 years ago. i lost count how many i bought ,traded,sold sense then. they are a lot of cheap fun. i think i have about 3,000 rounds of surplus ammo now. i still have 4.have fun. you will. please do not bubba it
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i bought a big 5 mosin about 2 years ago. i lost count how many i bought ,traded,sold sense then. they are a lot of cheap fun. i think i have about 3,000 rounds of surplus ammo now. i still have 4.have fun. you will. please do not bubba it
I see Big 5 has them for 169.00 in this week ad, it says in the ad they are Hex receivers.
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I see Big 5 has them for 169.00 in this week ad, it says in the ad they are Hex receivers.
I'd get it, but be prepared.

I finished getting mine ready for the range last night and it took about 10 hours of work altogether to get all the cosmoline out of it.

It is a project out of the box.

I would post photos, but it looks just like any other 91/30 you've seen.

The methods I used were lightly coating the stock in baking soda, sitting it in front of a big fire in my fireplace and whiping it down. Then used Murphy's Oil wood soap, followed by some Old English oil (sure there are probably better ways to do it, but the point of this project was to keep it cheap.



Simmered all the internal parts and screws in a Simple Green solution, dipped and poured it over the barrel and receiver. Then hit it with gun scrubber, followed by a coat of Remoil. Ran some Hoppe's #9 down the barrel, followed by a lightly oiled bore snake. The only part I failed to get off was the lower part of the rear sight assembly, just couldn't drift those pins out to save my life, and didn't want to whack it any harder and risk bending anything.

Plan on getting out to the range when my ammo comes in the mail this week.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:19 PM
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There are a lot of DIY trigger jobs out there. My first Mosin was a '37 that shot decent but had about a 12lb trigger. I followed some of the online directions to smooth it out. HUGE difference. But you need to be careful doing it.

Here's one of many:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...agant-trigger/

Your call but sinking a ton of money into a very cheap milsurp kind of defeats the point IMO. If you're going to have another $100 in trigger and $200 in a scope a cheap new Stevens/Savage for the same money will be way more accurate. But all depends on what you want. I would at least try some trigger mods first. They're free.
Thanks for the link. After seeing all the guts taken down off of this thing I can see how people do a lot of their own work on the Mosin, mostly big, crude parts relative to other guns. That firing pin! Were the Russians overcompensating for something? And I agree with keeping a limit on what I spend for those exact reasons.
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The only part I failed to get off was the lower part of the rear sight assembly, just couldn't drift those pins out to save my life, and didn't want to whack it any harder and risk bending anything.
snapped the tip off a new punch before one of the pins would budge. note that some have that lower part soldered to the dovetail mount. you may need to hit it with a blowtorch to get it free. had that on mine (1935 Tula hex).


the hex is actually an octagon. who started this 'hex' mess!?
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