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Old 02-25-2008, 10:15 PM
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Default Best 'mid-priced' 1911 pistol

I don't know my 1911 pistols that well, and was hoping to get some suggestions for a $800-1400 1911 pistol. Price range can be for a new or near new pistol.

I would be using it for 'general' range shooting, and just like the feeling of a quality pistol in my hand.

Looking for the 'best bang for my buck' when it comes to a quality 1911.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:22 PM
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Able to bump it up another $100?

You can get a Les Baer Premier II from Sporting Arms or Proload, it'll blow away all other competitors in that price range.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:23 PM
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Closer to $800 from Bud's is Dan Wesson Pointman Seven.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:27 PM
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I am looking at the high standards, i think there like 350 i just want a 1911 to see whats the big deal about them, i have never shot one so I am very curious about them. But this is low priced 1911 so you might not want it. I know its gonna be my first 1911.


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WOW 800-1400 damn, that Doesn't sound mid-range thats like high-range. LOL and here i am talking about a 350 dollar 1911. lol my bad.

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Old 02-26-2008, 8:09 AM
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You can get a S&W Performance Center 1911 for that price. I like mine and think they are comparable to $2k offerings from other brands.
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Old 02-26-2008, 8:11 AM
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personally i would go with a SS TRP and replace the guide-rod with an EGW unit. that would be right at the top of your price range specified.
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Old 02-26-2008, 8:13 AM
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Nothing in that price range is going to come close to the Les Baer Premier II, unless you spend $1400 on a used Baer (which can be hard to find).

My personal favorite would be a Springfield Custom Carry (custom shop gun), which runs about $1500 new, but you're going to wait 6 months for them to build one for you.
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Keep looking. When it comes to 1911's, you will get what you pay for. Buy cheap, buy twice.

I just purchased a slightly used Les Baer Thunder Ranch for $1350. For the money, the LB line of 1911's are hard to beat. This is after much research and personal rounds down range with many different brands.

Advice? Rent one from your local range before you buy. See for yourself.


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I don't know my 1911 pistols that well, and was hoping to get some suggestions for a $800-1400 1911 pistol. Price range can be for a new or near new pistol.

I would be using it for 'general' range shooting, and just like the feeling of a quality pistol in my hand.

Looking for the 'best bang for my buck' when it comes to a quality 1911.
I have a Springfield MC Operator 1911 that cost $1100.The worksmanship on it is top notch. The gun is very "tight" and it feels like a quality piece of equipment. I thought my P220 was accurate, but this thing is disgustingly accurate. It's got a lot of bells and whistles and there's nothing I'd really change about it. I even like the rubber Pachmyr grips..



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BNIB, My vote would be for Springers Operator also.
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You can get a S&W Performance Center 1911 for that price. I like mine and think they are comparable to $2k offerings from other brands.
Ummmm... show me where you can get a S&W Performance Center 1911 for under $1400???
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Nothing in that price range is going to come close to the Les Baer Premier II, unless you spend $1400 on a used Baer (which can be hard to find).

My personal favorite would be a Springfield Custom Carry (custom shop gun), which runs about $1500 new, but you're going to wait 6 months for them to build one for you.
A brand NEW Les Baer Premier II from John at Pro Load is was $1394 the last time I checked in November.
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A brand NEW Les Baer Premier II from John at Pro Load is was $1394 the last time I checked in November.
Prices went up recently on Baers unfortunately. Not sure what the new price is, but it should still be under $1500 for a new PII.
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I have only shot Springfield Milspecs, a Colt Govt., and a Les Baer Custom II. The Springfields are good guns, the Colt a little nicer, and the Les Baer was AMAZING. I don't know how the hierarchy of Les Baer pistols works, but the one I shot was ridiculously nice. If you have the money for one, just get the LB. SOO NICE.
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Look at the S&W range.

Everyone who has seen/fired it likes my SW1911PD.
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:03 AM
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I think all the Les Baer 1911s are exactly the same base gun. The price differences are due to options.
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I Just got a Les baer PII from pro load for $1587 shipped (over night). still have 10 days to wait...
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Id say for your first 1911 in the mid price range would be a Kimber Classic.
799 at Turners right now.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:06 AM
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Scrape up another $100 or so and find a decent used Wilson CQB. Last one I bought was 1500 or so and was in great shape. With the economy down, you may even be able to do better.

You will not be disappointed, and their CS, should you need it, is superb. You'll buy once and be done with it.

For your purposes, there's nothing wrong with a PII but I've had 'em all and think the CQB is better.

SVT Nate's comment about the Springfield Carry Custom is right on also.

What's "all"? Brown, Baer, Wilson, Nighthawk, Kimber (I's and II's), Colt, Springfield (regular and Custom Shop), S&W, Rem-Rand, etc, etc.
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:56 AM
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At $1400 you can get a pair of Kimber custom II. I've always wanted to try a basic Les Bear or Wilson Combat, but are they really 2x as good as a basic Kimber?

I treid the mass produced 9/40/45 in glock/beretta/sig/HK and realized that there's no way HKs, as much as I love them, is 3x as good as a glock or 2x as good as a sig.

For mass produced guns, law of diminishing return kicks in after Glocks. Is it the same with with 1911s?
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I think all the Les Baer 1911s are exactly the same base gun. The price differences are due to options.

Yep, that's the truth.

I'll echo some other comments here. At around a grand I'd go Kimber, as they like Baer, are basically the same gun throughout the line and the price goes up as options are added.

When you get to the price of Springfield TRP my choice switches over to Springfield. Springfield's lower priced guns are sadly all over the map as far as consistency of build quality, trigger and accuracy, but from the TRP on up they spend the time to make a consistently great pistol.

From there up is the Les Baer line. Any of which I'd recommend over Kimber or Springfield, heck I even like them better than my more expensive Wilson. Baer makes a phenomenally accurate 1911 that is also reliable and built to last and last.

btw I'm speaking from personal experience as I own and have shot many thousands of rounds through all of the above.

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At $1400 you can get a pair of Kimber custom II. I've always wanted to try a basic Les Bear or Wilson Combat, but are they really 2x as good as a basic Kimber?
I dig my Baers, but the answer is NO. They aren't twice as good as a ~$800 Kimber. As you go up in price, in the 1911 world, you do typically buy better and better quality, however each additional dollar buys incrementally less of an increase.

Another thing that I believe, which goes in favor of the lower priced Kimber, is that when I'm doing more "combat" type shooting; things like drawing from the holster, shooting on the move, engaging multiple targets at close range etc. the Kimber will do it as well as the higher priced Baer.

Where the quality of the Baer comes most into play for me is when I'm shooting slower and trying to make my very best most accurate shots and when I'm just handling the gun and appreciating how well put together it is.
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I have a Springfield MC Operator 1911 that cost $1100.The worksmanship on it is top notch. The gun is very "tight" and it feels like a quality piece of equipment. I thought my P220 was accurate, but this thing is disgustingly accurate. It's got a lot of bells and whistles and there's nothing I'd really change about it. I even like the rubber Pachmyr grips..



The placement of the mag release and safety and the overall feel of the grip are okay but I agree, the accuracy is top notch.
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Kimbers and S&W's have Schwartz-type firing pin blocks, and the S&W has an external extractor.

I have nothing against firing pin blocks and external extractors per se, but some 1911A1 purists consider such features as abominations. If I wanted a "nice" 1911, I would save up a bit more and go with a Les Baer Thunder Ranch.

If I wanted a nice range plinker ~$800, I would opt for a Springfield Loaded. If it was my $1400, I would get a Springfield Operator or even a S&W 1911 DK for a little less if the abominations don't bother you...

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I don't know my 1911 pistols that well, and was hoping to get some suggestions for a $800-1400 1911 pistol. Price range can be for a new or near new pistol.

I would be using it for 'general' range shooting, and just like the feeling of a quality pistol in my hand.

Looking for the 'best bang for my buck' when it comes to a quality 1911.
Have a look at the S&W 1911. They are well inside your price range and have pretty good accuracy and reliability reports; made in USA too. Only thing is they use an external extractor, but there's is no issues w/ that from S&W.

PM me if you'd like to buy a barely used basic model w/ 3 factory mags, original box/ paper work, etc. for $700 shipped. I bought it new about 1.5-2 years ago as a backup for my main 1911 in IPSC singlestack. Only fired 100 rnds for reliability test.
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Old 02-27-2008, 2:17 AM
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Are all of the above mentioned 1911's on the DOJ list that would allow us to ship into California??

Thanks everyone for your feedback!!
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Old 02-27-2008, 3:06 AM
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yah, the one I posted is..
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Are all of the above mentioned 1911's on the DOJ list that would allow us to ship into California??

Thanks everyone for your feedback!!


Most every (with a few exceptions) Kimber, Springfield, S&W, Baer 5" models are on the CA list. Wilson has several models on the list too.

Have you looked at the list? It allows you to sort by manufacturer to look for approved models.

http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
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I think all the Les Baer 1911s are exactly the same base gun. The price differences are due to options.

Not true, different sizes and materials as well...
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Not true, different sizes and materials as well...
I think that was in reference to the Baers that are on the CA list. They are all blued, 5" models with a variety of features.
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