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Old 01-23-2014, 4:33 PM
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This write-up has circulated virulently online. It has become a thing of golden value in the gun community, as it is written by a "Burned Out LEO", as he calls himself. I love it because it gave me a formula for when to bluff/ when to draw/when to shoot. (I'm a concealed carrier in the great state of Nevada.) It examines the psychology and social construction of the armed robber. I think I'm way more likely to be confronted by this unsavory character than I am by a serial killer or serial rapist (though a hold up man may also commit these crimes).

The piece was actually a post on ar15.com, and it generated 30 pages of discussion. Much of it is "yes, he's giving good advice because it worked for me" or "I've encountered hold up men and here's what happened" - all of which I find interesting and useful. Read it. Then read it again. Then call up your little sisters and make them sit and listen as you read it to them. I did. It was too good not to. I'll be excited to hear from you to see what you think!
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Old 01-23-2014, 5:02 PM
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Thank you for this link!

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Old 01-23-2014, 5:54 PM
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You are over thinking it. If someone points a gun at you, or breaches your front door, shoot them. That's it. Be prepared to spend the next several years in civil court, and spend about $50,000...

Shooting people is bad business in CA.
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Old 01-23-2014, 6:10 PM
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I'm in NV... But still, CCW in CA should find this useful.
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good points he made, regardless if you have a ccw.
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Old 01-25-2014, 7:36 AM
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:16 PM
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I read it and it is spot on as the Brits would say. My first step-father was the type of scumbag described and tried to groom me to follow in his footsteps. It was a very long story from a long time ago, but he was one of the serial rapists and all around dirtbag that made the Santa Cruz area the murder and crime capital of the US in the early 70's. He was extremely good at hiding his true self from others, including my mom because he was a trained psych nurse and picked his victims carefully. I learned that the ones that did not become his victims were the ones that were not polite to him on that first encounter.

Treat all strangers as the enemy, trust no one. I also learned that by the time you see the barrel of their gun, it is too late. They need to see your gun before you ever see their gun. The law does not apply to the street. When driving any where, always now who is behind you, and not just the car directly behind you, but all the cars behind you. Are there any that make all the same turns you do? If so, know your area well enough so you can drive directly to a LE agency. With smart phones and GPS devices, it is even easier these days.

When approaching your house, if you think someone might be following you, do not pull into your driveway, keep driving. I live near a small grocery store, so I drive to that parking lot and wait for the car to drive on by. Then I wait for a couple of minutes then go home. I have only done this a couple of times in the 20 years I have lived here. The more you do these things the more they will become second nature.

Next time you go out into a crowd, watch people. Most are too busy on their cell phones or talking to their friends and do not notice the few people that are hanging around staring at them and watching their every move. Every mall parking lot I have been to has a couple of people that just hang out and walk around looking into the cars looking for ones that are not locked.
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I read it and it is spot on as the Brits would say. My first step-father was the type of scumbag described and tried to groom me to follow in his footsteps. It was a very long story from a long time ago, but he was one of the serial rapists and all around dirtbag that made the Santa Cruz area the murder and crime capital of the US in the early 70's. He was extremely good at hiding his true self from others, including my mom because he was a trained psych nurse and picked his victims carefully. I learned that the ones that did not become his victims were the ones that were not polite to him on that first encounter.

Treat all strangers as the enemy, trust no one. I also learned that by the time you see the barrel of their gun, it is too late. They need to see your gun before you ever see their gun. The law does not apply to the street. When driving any where, always now who is behind you, and not just the car directly behind you, but all the cars behind you. Are there any that make all the same turns you do? If so, know your area well enough so you can drive directly to a LE agency. With smart phones and GPS devices, it is even easier these days.

When approaching your house, if you think someone might be following you, do not pull into your driveway, keep driving. I live near a small grocery store, so I drive to that parking lot and wait for the car to drive on by. Then I wait for a couple of minutes then go home. I have only done this a couple of times in the 20 years I have lived here. The more you do these things the more they will become second nature.

Next time you go out into a crowd, watch people. Most are too busy on their cell phones or talking to their friends and do not notice the few people that are hanging around staring at them and watching their every move. Every mall parking lot I have been to has a couple of people that just hang out and walk around looking into the cars looking for ones that are not locked.
I have been practicing this from the time I was in High School.
Good advice!
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http://www.amazon.com/After-You-Shoo.../dp/1889632260

Dial 911 and fry. You re gasping for air. You just stopped a would-be murderer cold with your sidearm four rounds to the chest. Do you have the right to remain silent? Then how do you dial 911 and talk to a police voice recorder? How do you make that call and not say anything? According to criminal-defense attorneys, half of all convictions for self-defense incidents rely on frantic traumatized 911 tapes. As a bonus, the media will air your voice nationwide for weeks. That can t be right. Do you have the right to have an attorney prior to and during any questioning? What about your precious Fifth Amendment rights against self incrimination? How do you make a 911 call and protect your rights? You cannot. When you call 911 after saving your life with gunfire, you are giving up the crucial life-saving rights you think you have. And that s wrong. The dangerous snare of 911 recordings is built into the American self-defense system and no one has looked at it hard until now. After You Shoot lights up this overlooked problem and provides common-sense, workable solutions to these horrors vicious traps that threaten every gun owner and innocent crime victim in America. More than 70 experts contributed to the ideas presented here, the "common wisdom" that floats around is examined, and five specific solutions to the problem are provided, including the controversial Adnarim statement. Don't help convict yourself. Read After You Shoot.
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You say " There's been a shooting in my house and I need assistance". Give the address, admit nothing. And that's it.
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