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Old 01-04-2014, 9:36 PM
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Default Why are Remington 770's so bad? (or good)?

I have seen a lot of trash talk on these rifles. I want to know why they are so bad. I don't know much about them, but I have noticed several guns in the same price range with better reviews like the Ruger American series.

I was thinking about buying a cheap bolt action gun for one of my sons in .30-06. What can be recommended?
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Old 01-04-2014, 9:48 PM
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Rem came out with the 710 and dropped it quickly for the 770 which was/is just about as bad. Bolt handles breaking off and other quality problems.

The ruger American is an excellent well made rifle. It is best as a hunting rifle due to its light weight. Just as my Tikka T-3 lites are and my Ruger Ultra-Lite 30-06.
Savage, Weatherby Vanguard, Mosberg, Stevens are also good rifles for a modest price.
The Ruger American with its low price and good quality is one of the best buys out there today.

Avoid the Rem 770 and 710.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:06 AM
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Go to a store that has one, pick it up, feel the stock, work the action, and look at the components.

Hand it back and then ask to see just about any other low end rifle(ruger, savage, weatherby, mossberg, etc.). Feel the stock, work the action, and look at the components. It will be very apparent quite quickly that the remington 770 is a turd with a floppy stock, poor finish, poor construction, poor machining, etc.
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Does the 770 have a barrel that's actually hydraulically pressed into the receiver (no threads or barrel nut) like the 710? That alone describes the 'ghettoness' of the 710.
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Does the 770 have a barrel that's actually hydraulically pressed into the receiver (no threads or barrel nut) like the 710? That alone describes the 'ghettoness' of the 710.
Pretty sure they do. I'm actually not sure what the difference really is between the 710 and 770. Considering every other manufacturer it seems, has managed to build a far superior budget hunting rifle, it's mindboggling that remington still produces that crap. Maybe the 783 is supposed to replace it?
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Don't be fooled, all of the entry level rifles are just that entry level and none have stood the test of time, Most of the reviews you read are from level entry rifle owners themselves. Probably the best entry level rifle as of recent was the Savage /Stevens model and the Savage Axis but the stock on the Axis is a turd! both of the Remington low ends,710/770 are junk! the Ruger is to new but IMO just from giving one a look over and playing with multiple stocks I would pass on it as well.
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Don't be fooled, all of the entry level rifles are just that entry level and none have stood the test of time, Most of the reviews you read are from level entry rifle owners themselves. Probably the best entry level rifle as of recent was the Savage /Stevens model and the Savage Axis but the stock on the Axis is a turd! both of the Remington low ends,710/770 are junk! the Ruger is to new but IMO just from giving one a look over and playing with multiple stocks I would pass on it as well.
You're right that an entry level rifle is going to be an entry level rifle. However there is a significant difference between something that could be carried around and shot a few times(savage axis which was originally the "edge" IIRC, ruger american, etc.) and the complete and total piece of crap that is the 770. You're never going to get a spectacular stock on any sub $400 hunting rifle, but if you wanted a rifle with a $250 stock, you wouldn't be buying the lowest of the low end in the first place.

Now if the OP expects to buy a low end hunting rifle and use it as his precision target rifle at the range every weekend... that would be a problem.
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Has any of you who posted on this first hand experience with the 770? I bought mine for 300 bucks with some ammo and is a backup rifle to my bar. I have had no issues with it. I rebedded the barrel and the groups went from 2 1/2" to 1 1/2" shooting handload 150 gr jsps. Extra mags are cheap at 20 bucks each.
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Has any of you who posted on this first hand experience with the 770? I bought mine for 300 bucks with some ammo and is a backup rifle to my bar. I have had no issues with it. I rebedded the barrel and the groups went from 2 1/2" to 1 1/2" shooting handload 150 gr jsps. Extra mags are cheap at 20 bucks each.
You couldn't pay me to take one for free(well, I guess if you paid me enough I would) when there are better options available.

Yes, I've had the unpleasant experience of handling them in person. No, I do not want to shoot one. No, I would not want one taking up space in a safe(or used as a doorstop). I do not need to have owned such a masterpiece of a rifle to know how much effort remington put into the exemplary craftsmanship of the 770 after experiencing it in my own 2 hands.

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For an extra $100 you can one of the mid level rifles that all share the same actions as their top dog counterparts, you may not get them new for this price but used ones are all over the place, or if you research and patiently wait for sales or promo's you can very well get a great rifle rifle for $400-$450. For the 770 that shoots good groups sure there will always be a shooter in the bunch, but what's it going to do after 300-400 rounds when that barrel breaks loose of it's press fit? and who's going to fix it?
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How much is a Youth Model Remington 700 .243 now? I bought one 4-5 years back for $300 shipped NIB from an FFL going out of business. Granted, I only wanted the rifle for the action, but before I took the thing apart, I shouldered it up and what not and it actually seemed like a nice rifle even though it's 'smaller' for a youth LOP. Even had the barrel with front and rear sights (rear blade on the rearmost of the barrel) so it was ready to use out of the box.
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For an extra $100 you can one of the mid level rifles that all share the same actions as their top dog counterparts, you may not get them new for this price but used ones are all over the place, or if you research and patiently wait for sales or promo's you can very well get a great rifle rifle for $400-$450. For the 770 that shoots good groups sure there will always be a shooter in the bunch, but what's it going to do after 300-400 rounds when that barrel breaks loose of it's press fit? and who's going to fix it?
What's the difference between the Savage/Stevens action and the Savage action.
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What's the difference between the Savage/Stevens action and the Savage action.
That's the good thing, they are the same as well the barrels, the triggers are a bit different and though the stocks are plastic they are serviceable. The rifle has a blind magazine.

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That's the good thing, they are the same as well the barrels, the triggers are a bit different and though the stocks are plastic they are serviceable. The rifle has a blind magazine.
That's what I was thinking but it's been awhile since I looked at a Stevens 200.
I did look at a Savage/Stevens 111 awhile back but it had a detachable mag and I didn't pay attention to how the barrel attached to action, so I wasn't sure.
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The 770 is Remington's 700 for the poor man made to airsoft standards.
So is the 700 considered a nice mid range (quality) rifle?
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Don't bother with the 770. Try out the 783. So far, I've let people at ASR shoot it and they have all had decent things to say about it. Maybe they are just being nice. I take it for face value. I'm glad I waited for the 783 and didn't bite on a 770.
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My mistake was to take someone's advice. My first and least favorite hunting rifle is my 770. I purchased it about 7 years ago. On my first deer hunt I got a shot but missed. When I tried to chamber a second round I soon discovered what a bad choice I had made.
Yes it's been replaced. It no longer gets to go hunting, it's still part of the family and will probably always be.(I like family)
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I shot a 770 once.

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Ok iam gona b the odd ball here yes the 770 is cheap rifle will it break ... Yes . Will it last u a life time .... Probly not if u shoot often ..... I have 1 in 7mm mag cause it was $300 will it kill some thing yes . Will it shoot an average group of 3/4" ... Yes it will . No not my first pick on the rack but still shoots ... Y do i have 1 .... It was $300
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Can't you get a Tikka for $550 or something? Thats only 2 bills more.
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Any of those cheap rifles are better then a howa freaking thing broke where the magazine attachment is , sent it in wasn't covered by the warrenty apparently shooting a few times in 9 months is considered user wear
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You can get a Savage Model 110 or 111 for $325 on the used market, with a (low-end, but functional) scope. Probably won't be the AccuTrigger version at that price, but any Savage bolt gun is a good one, even with the "old" trigger.

Also, there are Remington ADL's for sale on the used market for in the high $300's. It's a 700 and thus should need no further introduction. :-)

I've also shot a Ruger American in .308. Actually, that's a dandy little rifle, and Ruger's not going to build a piece of junk. This is Ruger we're talkin' about here. I've seen them for $320.

Finally, there are Winchester Model 70's, another fine rifle. I've seen Black Shadows in the $400's if you are willing to spend that much. They're the push-feed, but so are the Rem 700 and the Savage 10/110. Seems to work pretty darn well.

So, for the money you'd spend on a 770, there are other, better options for your consideration.
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I found a thompson venture new on sale for 389 and thompson has a 75 dollar rebate right now. That makes it 314. I wanted to buy it but the magazine was so bad i had to work to getit out. Reviews say it's accurate but parts not functioning correctly is a deal breaker.
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No reason to buy a 770 when now there is the 783 which is a much better built rifle.
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So is the 700 considered a nice mid range (quality) rifle?
The 700 is IMO one of the godfathers of modern bolt guns. Solid proven and just made right. In 30-60 years I see it as the AK possibly. If you have the choice 700 every time.

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Yea, But now Ruger stepped in the game with their $400 Ruger American. Dollar for dollar that's a hell of a hard choice to beat in today's market. For under $500 I'd go American with out a doubt. Shot my friends dad's it was actually decently accurate at 350 yards in 308.
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The Winchester model 70 is the grandfather in my opinion. The Remington just got more accessories and therefore more popular.
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I had but but sold it, it felt too cheap
rough action, cheap magazine, stiff trigger
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I always thought that the Remington 700s were the poor man's rifle.
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I always thought that the Remington 700s were the poor man's rifle.
Weird. Since most if not all custom actions tend to be 700 or 700 based actions
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OP, No experience with the entry level Rem's you mentioned;

But if you're looking for an entry level .30-06, I have a Savage Trophy Hunter. I've taken out out a few times now. and my ONLY complaint with it is that when I first got it I didn't loc-tite stuff. Kind sucks sending a few down range, get the sight dialed in one more click and.... dammit, it's loose again. LOL My fault totally. But, I did manage to get 3 groups of 3 within 1.250" @100 today with it. Not spectacular, but, it will certainly kill me some food when the time comes. I like the Savage Trigger. It's the same one that my 110BA has.

So, off to McMaster-Carr tomorrow for some Lock-Tite.
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The only "entry level" rifles I've been able to tolerate have been the Stevens Model 200 and remington 700 ADL.. The Stevens is essentially a non accu-trigger Savage 10/110.. Nothing more needs to be said about the 700 action.. I do hate the ADL's factory stock with noodle like rigidity.. Find a cheap laminate or a wood take off stock and your in business..

If you want a ton of rifle for the coin...

Check out the Zastava M70 and M85.. Previously they were imported as the Remington 798 and 799 and the Interarms Mark-X..
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It goes bang and kills deer. Nothing wrong with it.
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This is one reason I would never buy a 770, there are other but this a good enough reason. See the video posted below, this happens to many if not all 770's.

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There are other good options (as mentioned) at the same price point.
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There are WAY better rifles to choose from.
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Dick's has 700 ADLs on sale on a regular basis. Usually it's $500 then a $50 rebate.

Also look at Weatherby Vanguard/Howa 1500.
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i bought my stevens 200 in .243 in 2006. i have at least 500 down the pipe. it shoots moa ever since the day i bought it with cheap federal 100 grain soft points and sub moa with handloads. its in the original stock which is cheap feeling and extremely light. ive never bothered to bed it because i have always planned on a bell and carlson stock and a shillen barrel or something. now i am considering leaving it 100% stock and building something else into a target rifle because the thing is just insanely light. i never cared about a light rifle, but last year i broke my back and carrying something heavy like a winchester model 70 puts a lot of extra strain on my back while hunting. i shoot prairie dogs a couple times a week with it and can hit them no problem at 400 yds. i shot one at 550 yds one time. hit it with the third shot. the only problem the rifle has ever had is the ejector pushed into the bolt face and no longer ejects the casings. cheap fix if i ever get around to it lol. i am soooo glad i didnt go with any of those cheap remington 770 or whatever they are. the only budgets bolt actions i would get are. stevens 200, savage axis, ruger american, or the tikka.
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We will win. We are right. We will never stop fighting.
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They don't believe it's possible, but then Alison didn't believe there'd be 350K - 400K OLLs in CA either.
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Our fate is ours alone to decide as long as we remain armed heavily enough to dictate it.
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