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Old 01-02-2014, 7:44 PM
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http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/
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Hey, who cares what side of the political fence they're on, so long as they are on our side of protecting gun rights for all American citizens
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We exist. I personally think gun rights are a civil rights issue and should not be dragged into partisan politics.
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Hey, who cares what side of the political fence they're on, so long as they are on our side of protecting gun rights for all American citizens
It makes no difference to me. I was just unaware of their existence.

As to who cares...I guess they do, since they chose to form a gun club devoted to liberalism.
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Well the 400+ who viewed this thread from this morning "knew" at least...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=874361

and the 1600ish who looked at this earlier thread on the same subject:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=874270

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We exist in large numbers. If you really think about it the whole right vs left thing with guns is something very new, really only got going about 15 years ago.
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I knew about them when some guy used to always talk about them on here,

he is banned now so i haven't heard about them on a while
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to paraphrase Mark Twain, it's a snare and a delusion.

the spirit of individual liberty inherent in the 2nd amendment is in direct contradiction with the statist ideology of the leftists who call themselves "Liberals".

the label Liberal is in itself a lie- in my experience they are the most judgemental, intolerant people I know.
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kind of like log cabin republican gays. just a odd fit but fine by me.welcome
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From the Webster's 1828 dictionary (the definitions which seem to apply):

3. Not selfish, narrow on contracted; catholic; enlarged; embracing other interests than one's own; as liberal sentiments or views; a liberal mind; liberal policy.

4. General; extensive; embracing literature and the sciences generally; as a liberal education. This phrase is often but not necessarily synonymous with collegiate; as a collegiate education.

In classic terms (as in 1828) a Liberal was one who studied the Greek and Roman classics. That would be IN Greek and Latin. They could DEBATE, not just protest and shout down. A Liberal would stand entirely opposed to the idea of political correctness.

Many of today's "liberals" are not Liberal at all.

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We exist in large numbers. If you really think about it the whole right vs left thing with guns is something very new, really only got going about 15 years ago.
I blame Clinton and the AWB, for beginning all that. Though didn't a Reagan White House have something to do with the '86 Federal gun law.

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Today liberalism and gun right is akin to communism versus capitalist. Today Liberal = Progressive = Communist
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Today liberalism and gun right is akin to communism versus capitalist. Today Liberal = Progressive = Communist
Communist, ironically aren't very liberal at all... Wolf in sheep skin indeed.

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All joking aside, a TRUE "liberal" could never support gun control. It's not a liberal position; it's an authoritarian one.

Support of gun control is a "progressive" position, which is also a misnomer. Taking people's rights away will never be perceived as "progress".
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I'm not sure if some of these newer posts are flame bait or not, but I'll nibble.

As a self-described liberal, I have a lot of liberal friends who all feel differently about gun control. Very few of them have a problem with the average law-abiding person owning any and all of the guns they want. What bothers every single one of them is the exclusive, sometimes hostile nature of some of the more vocal members of the gun owning community. Being accused of being communists and numerous other extreme and inaccurate generalizations kind of sucks and makes people not feel so bad about taking away the rights of those calling them names. Unfortunately, this hurts the entire gun owning community and gives the anti-gunners ample ammunition to strip us of our rights. Like it or not, the people taking away our gun rights are elected. If we want anti-gun politicians out of office, the gun owning community must appeal to the average person.

I browsed the Calguns forums for a few years before making an account and found that a large number of you welcome anyone willing to defend the 2A regardless of their politics. You are the same kind of people that got me interested in guns in the first place, and I believe you are some of the most effective defenders of our rights here in California and the rest of the United States. Thank you.

Of course this is all cultivated from my own experiences and as such should be taken with a grain of salt, but I wanted to share them in the hopes that they will do some good.

If we're to continue we should probably take this to OT.
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As a former self described liberal, I can only speak for myself. I left the democrat party and liberalism behind directly because of the party politics regarding gun control. Back in the mid seventies I started paying very close attention to what the political left in this country was actually doing as opposed the what they said they were trying to do.

Imagine my surprise and chagrin to realize that they were constantly attacking my rights while telling us that they had only our own good in mind. Bah! I don't need someone in politics telling me that they are taking away the rights that I and others before me fought and died to protect for my own good.

I see the societal troubles that we are experiencing as a direct result of the policies of the last fifty years. I grew up in the fifties and early sixties, trust me when I say that it was a great time to be a kid and an American.
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Being accused of being communists and numerous other extreme and inaccurate generalizations kind of sucks and makes people not feel so bad about taking away the rights of those calling them names.
Oddly enough, this is what happens to millions of law abiding gun owners every time there is a Sandy Hook type incident. Blaming inanimate objects instead of the individual or individuals will never fix the problem.
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Awesome! We need everyone we can get if we are going to keep our 2nd amendment rights.
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Being accused of being communists and numerous other extreme and inaccurate generalizations kind of sucks and makes people not feel so bad about taking away the rights of those calling them names
Yea, because libs never do that to conservatives
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The funny thing about "us" vs "them" is we are all so preoccupied with fighting each other, we don't realize how much we all have in common. Especially on this site. I teach my children moderation and tolerance of all people. As long as we are a nation devided by red & blue, liberal & conservative, ..... Nothing will change. On a side note, some of best guns are communist.
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Hey, who cares what side of the political fence they're on, so long as they are on our side of protecting gun rights for all American citizens
That sounds great on the surface, but who are the people who continue to vote for Feinstein, Boxer, DeLeon, Yee, etc etc?

Despite the fact that I try not to spend much time around liberals, I have taken many people shooting who vote democrat. All of them enjoyed it and had fun. Very few of them had ever held a gun before and were surprised at how many restrictions there are on ownership and usage, since all they ever hear from the MSM is that they need to "get guns off the street".

My hope is that when a liberal goes shooting and sees that there is a safe way to handle a gun, and that the crap they are being fed is pure crap, that maybe they will start to question the rest of the meal they are being fed?

So far it hasn't worked.
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Wrong forum gang. If you want to talk politics, try it here http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=329

Here, we're all color-blind brother (and sister?) crufflers.
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Here, we're all color-blind brother (and sister?) crufflers.
This. Whole reason I browse this forum is to stay out of this kind of political nonsense. I just want to read about guns.
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The funny thing about "us" vs "them" is we are all so preoccupied with fighting each other, we don't realize how much we all have in common. Especially on this site. I teach my children moderation and tolerance of all people. As long as we are a nation devided by red & blue, liberal & conservative, ..... Nothing will change. On a side note, some of best guns are communist.
This...its just another version of class warfare. We battle it out among each other while they sit back and enjoy the spoils. I used to blame everything on the other side (Liberals) but with some strong research on those who call themselves Conservative, I found that both acted to only serve their own needs and not those of the people.

And you're right...some of the best weapons are Communist, with the exception of the Garand
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The funny thing about "us" vs "them" is we are all so preoccupied with fighting each other, we don't realize how much we all have in common. Especially on this site. I teach my children moderation and tolerance of all people. As long as we are a nation devided by red & blue, liberal & conservative, ..... Nothing will change. On a side note, some of best guns are communist.
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to paraphrase Mark Twain, it's a snare and a delusion.

the spirit of individual liberty inherent in the 2nd amendment is in direct contradiction with the statist ideology of the leftists who call themselves "Liberals".

the label Liberal is in itself a lie- in my experience they are the most judgemental, intolerant people I know.
Sounds like somebody else is the judgemental one.
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I like it, I perused the forums and found people talking about the joys of EBR's.

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Now if someone would just create "The Conservative Gun Club".

Wait...never mind.
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This. Whole reason I browse this forum is to stay out of this kind of political nonsense. I just want to read about guns.
100% agree with this.

The only politics I am interested in reading about here, was lived, and fought over, at least 60 years ago.
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When anything like this comes up, whether it be in a face-to-face conversating or online, it's always a good idea to make sure both sides are on the same page when they use labels.

Words like "liberal," "progressive," "communist," "racist," "whatever-phobe," etc all get thrown around quite a bit in political discussions, and more often than not it seems they are used incorrectly* (by both sides I might add). This isn't productive, and only serves to further entrench both parties.

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Good analogy. Both groups get flamed by the "mainstream" for their beliefs, so they form their own little groups. I think gun control is a political loser for Democrats nationally, but I'm not a Dem, so I don't care if it hurts them.
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I think gun control is a political loser for Democrats nationally
It may very well be, but it becomes a loser for all of us when pro 2A Dems decide it best not to piss off their stuck up yuppie friends and Hollywood-wannabe neighbors by not verbalizing their stance.

How many of those 20-something AR-toting mall ninjas, didn't vote for Obama?I'm thinking less than did.

This is a good thing. Now it needs to have more than 119 users be the most it's ever had on line
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It may very well be, but it becomes a loser for all of us when pro 2A Dems decide it best not to piss off their stuck up yuppie friends and Hollywood-wannabe neighbors by not verbalizing their stance.
I'm in NC and I think this state will be a bellweather for Dem aspirations. Of course they are completely untrustworthy, but just getting them to shut up would be a start. I know that the last thing that Kay Hagan wants is another gun vote before November. Losing her Senate seat would be a huge blow for the DNC, so my bet is no big new anti-gun push in 2014.
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