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Old 02-13-2008, 8:37 PM
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can somebody inform me on the 1919 so is it true that you have to shoot this 10 at a time, and you cant even the links for this anymore and even if you do you how would you shoot this ten at a time that sux?
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can somebody inform me on the 1919 so is it true that you have to shoot this 10 at a time, and you cant even the links for this anymore and even if you do you how would you shoot this ten at a time that sux?
Belted/Linked ammo over 10 rounds is considered hi-capacity and illegal. Awesome law huh!
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Old 02-13-2008, 9:07 PM
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so what would be the poing of even buying a 1919 if you cant even shoot it without breaking the law?
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so what would be the poing of even buying a 1919 if you cant even shoot it without breaking the law?
At ten at a time this is still the most fun gun I own.
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10 at a time in a semi is a lot of fun. Besides, you can always link more if you go to a free state to shoot.
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The drickel busten loose with my preban links. Think a can holds about 250 rounds linked together lots of fun!
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You can buy all the links you want. You just can't link up more than 10 per belt unless you had an 11 round belt prior to the ban.
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You can buy all the links you want. You just can't link up more than 10 per belt unless you had an 11 round belt prior to the ban.
I bought 10,000 links back in 1987! The serial numbers on my links prove it!
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Old 02-14-2008, 5:51 PM
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I bought 10,000 links back in 1987! The serial numbers on my links prove it!
Hmmm. ok...

So did you keep all 10k linked up into high capacity belts for the last 20 years or do you just have a 10k pile of links from 1987?
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Hmmm. ok...

So did you keep all 10k linked up into high capacity belts for the last 20 years or do you just have a 10k pile of links from 1987?
Doesn't matter. As long as he had a belt of 11 or more links in his possession inside the state of CA at any point before 2000, he can link 'em all together now.
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I've got 1000s of links and several cloth belts. With the price of .308 these days, 10 round belts have become my friend.
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Damn nice....
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Doesn't matter. As long as he had a belt of 11 or more links in his possession inside the state of CA at any point before 2000, he can link 'em all together now.
Still only one belt though

Joking aside, I was fooling with him as most all of the 1919 stuff came in well after 1987. Yes ,there were some available then (very limited), but I don't believe there were ANY semi autos out yet as most approvals came about in later 90s' and early 2000. Heck the Izzy 1919 stuff were still in the armorys over there in '87 (including any "1987 marked links"). Now if Stormfeather had said early 90s, then it wouldn't have been such a red flag like "1987" is.

What was available here in the USA at that time were the cloth belts from WWII and some USGI links from the Korean and 'Nam eras and none of those were marked "1987" or with any sn to link to that date or any date after the 60's.
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I'm new to the 1919s and have recently gained interest. Are all models of the 1919 legal to own in CA (semi of course)? Is there a such thing as a good or bad manufacturer of the 1919s?
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I'm new to the 1919s and have recently gained interest. Are all models of the 1919 legal to own in CA (semi of course)? Is there a such thing as a good or bad manufacturer of the 1919s?
Don't put a "flash hider" on it or you will be manufacturing an AW!
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Don't put a "flash hider" on it or you will be manufacturing an AW!
Actually the 1919A4 doesn't fall under the AW ban since it is not a semi-auto rifle but just a plain semi-auto firearm only per the ATF.
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Actually the 1919A4 doesn't fall under the AW ban since it is not a semi-auto rifle but just a plain semi-auto firearm only per the ATF.
With an A6 stock, I bet CA BOF would consider it an AW! Also, since ATF&E does not care about state laws and there is not currently a federal definition of AWs, their opinion would be just that "an opinion" and nothing more. Personally, I'm not willing to risk my time and firearms by putting a funnel on the end of one. Unless, of course, I'm in another state.
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....since ATF&E does not care about state laws and there is not currently a federal definition of AWs, their opinion would be just that "an opinion" and nothing more.....
Actually I was referring to the ATF legal stance on what is a "rifle" or not. I was not saying they had any opinion on what is a CA AW.

Remember, CA has the same definition for "rifle" that is on the U.S. code and which the ATF upholds. The ATF has clearly ruled that the semi-auto 1919A4s are NOT rifles and CA-DOJ cannot say otherwise. Yes they can give one a hard time and put you thru the ringer, just like they can with OLLs if they want to.
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it is not a rifle, or a hand gun, it is a "crew service weppon" per BATF it can not be sholdered off hand, and even if it could, the pistol grip does not "protrude conspiciously below the reciever"

I have lots of 11 round belts from 1999, boxes of them, I still have them, kept them with all my 30 round AR15 mags. burden of prof is on the prosicution


a 11 round belt is a highcap (that is what the DOJ says, but it is not law) anyways, if I add 100,000,000 more rounds to my 11 round belt, it is (legaly) no more of a hicap mag than it was at 11 rounds

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it is not a rifle, or a hand gun, it is a "crew service weppon" per BATF it can not be sholdered off hand, and even if it could, the pistol grip does not "protrude conspiciously below the reciever"
Funny, when I put my A6 stock on mine, it argueably becomes a shoulder fired weapon in the eyes of Ca. and, assuming that it is "shoulder fired", it then is a centerfire RIFLE with detachable ammunition feeding device. If you then add a FH or any other "evil feature" it could be seen as an AW. I hope I'm wrong about this and that even an 1919A6 can not be defined as a rifle in Ca. but, I doubt it. Ca does define a rifle as a "shoulder fired weapon" but I've yet to see Ca. law read that "it must be capable of being fired off hand as well."
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yea, i made tha part up, are you sholdering the a6 prone?

I would argue that it is a disintegrating magazine not a detatchable magazine
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yea, i made tha part up, are you sholdering the a6 prone?

I would argue that it is a disintegrating magazine not a detatchable magazine
My 250 round and 100 round cloth belts don't disintegrate! I've shoulder my A6 prone and from a bench. All I've got to say is that it is mighty uncomfortable to shoot! Now, the stock and bipod just sit around while I use it as a 1919A4 with a tripod.
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I still have a coup[le of cans of linked ammo from Traders in San leandro. It used to be cheaper to buy linked ammo than the stripped stuff. I still have M-60 links as well as some 50 Caliber I bought for display. I never knew how smart I was.
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So as far models go what options are out there and are all of them legal to own here? Also are all of them .308 converts or do any of them shoot 30.06?
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well the hot trick was to convert to 8mm back when corosive 8mm was super cheep IIRC in bulk under $0.10/ round if you are going through 400 rounds in a day and saving .40 a round, $160 is worth a good cleaning

just don't get full auto, all the rest are legal, someone correct me on overall length
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I heard talk of a 7.62X54R conversion but, I'm not sure if it was commercially produced or not.
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I heard talk of a 7.62X54R conversion but, I'm not sure if it was commercially produced or not.
Yes it is. I got two done and it works just fine. A little expensive when compared to the 8mm swap, but the '54 is the only "cheap" ammo currently available. Runs about $370 on your parts or $550 or so for a complete kit.
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Remember, CA has the same definition for "rifle" that is on the U.S. code and which the ATF upholds. The ATF has clearly ruled that the semi-auto 1919A4s are NOT rifles and CA-DOJ cannot say otherwise. Yes they can give one a hard time and put you thru the ringer, just like they can with OLLs if they want to.

Sorry this is not true. The state and feds can interpret the same text differently if it appears in both state and federal law (and there is no explicit cross-referencing of the text). The state interpretation of the text in state law controls. The fed interpretation of the text in federal law controls. That being said, in this particular case, it doesn't seem that there is any reasonable interpretation of the 1919 as a rifle or pistol.
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