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Old 12-15-2013, 9:04 PM
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Anyone have any insights to the presidents 100 and what categories they have in order for me to compete and try to obtain the tab?
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For Service Rifles and Pistols. To attain this you'll have to compete at the annual National Matches at Camp Perry Ohio. A worthy endeavor for sure, and I admire/envy anyone who choses to chase the tab. Also, look into the Distinguished Rifleman/Pistol Shot badges.
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Old 12-16-2013, 6:52 PM
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Good Luck - and I mean this - it is Tough - you will literally have to beat the best in the US

I know two Presidents 100 in pistol - both shoot AMU - so they are paid to shoot EVERYDAY

To win you will have to be one steady mother

I don't have the time to devote to make it even a dream

Good luck and remember us weekend shooters when you make it big

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Presidents 100 Rifle is a 30 shot match with three individual stages:

1. 10 shots slow fire standing 200 yards in 10 minutes.
2. 10 shots rapid fire prone 300 yards in 70 seconds.
3. 10 shots slow fire prone 600 yards in 10 minutes.

No sighters. Top 100 scores make the Presidents 100. Top 20 go into a shoot off for the President's Cup.

Even though I'm Distinguished, I've never been to Camp Perry for Nationals (sacrilege, I know). I really should go once, though, so I can at least try for the President's tab and to shoot in the National Trophy Individual.

Historically, the high 280's out of 300 is about the cut off.

This past National's, the cutoff for the Presidents 100 appears to have been 284-8x.

http://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.ph...lts&match=9827

As far as 'categories' for rifle, there are none. Everyone competes in the same pool no matter which rifle (M1, M14, M16, or civilian equivalent) is used, whether military or civilian, age, or gender.
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Old 12-17-2013, 8:56 PM
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I practice everyday with dry firing and I also shoot once a week but the thing is I don't know what type of firearm can I customize and still make the requirements. I want to compete in the m14, m16, and 1911 but I don't know what kind of firearm would be best or what are my restrictions when customizing.

I want to earn the presidents hundred tab while I'm still young in the military.
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Old 12-18-2013, 7:02 AM
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Well, you're going to use an AR-15 that looks exactly like an M16A2 with an A2 carry handle, A2 stock, A2 front sight base, and A2 style hand guards, with a 20" barrel.

Note: You will still be able to run a free float tube, competition grade sights, and a competition trigger (as long as it trips at 4.5lbs or heavier).

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If you want to keep things simple and don't have a competition AR service rifle, yet, get any mil spec lower, an A2 buttstock, A2 grip, and a Geissele National Match Trigger. Then get a White Oak Armament CMP complete upper. The WOA CMP upper will have the competition free float tube, 1/4x1/4 or 1/2x1/2 MOA rear sight with three different apertures, and the NM front sight blade of your choosing with a windage adjustable front sight base. Also, pay extra for the pinned rear sight to eliminate any play/backlash in the rear sight.

That will be CMP and NRA High Power Service Rifle legal.

If you happen to be a Marine based at Camp Pendleton, you can just borrow a rifle, get ammo, and other equipment (jackets, etc) from whoever runs the teams over there. I'm not sure who's doing it now, but when I was talking to the Marine who was handling the base shooting team equipment a couple years ago, he stated that he had all the gear, but no one coming out to shoot (lack of interest). The Santa Margarita Gun Club is sponsoring some clinics, both pistol and rifle (http://www.smgunclub.org). It's meant as a preparation for anyone shooting the Marine Corps Western Division matches, but the clinics are open to all military and civilian alike.
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Old 12-18-2013, 8:26 AM
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Any links to which ones you recommend because I see that their are different options and any Army based?
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Links to rifles? Well, here's the link to the complete WOA upper: http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcar...cat=259&page=1

The Geissele trigger I use is: http://geissele.com/hi-speed-nationa...e-trigger.html

After that, you can get a lower and A2 lower parts anywhere.

Not sure what you mean by Army based? If you're asking for training and courses taught by Army personnel on an Army installation, then I don't know of any. The only Army shooters I've interfaced with are AMU, and they're all at Benning.

Take advantage of the stuff at Camp Pendleton. The Santa Margarita Gun Club is a great resource and then there's all the matches that occur at Pendleton that are open to all branches. They have two big matches at Pendleton in April/May: Navy Pacific Fleet and All Navy West. I've shot in both of those (won the Pac Fleet 1000 point aggregate one year). Lots of shooters. Great participation. Plus, it's a good way to practice because it's strictly run (weigh triggers before match, etc). If BRRC is closer to you (http://www.brrc.org), check those matches out too. Lots of good shooters there.
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Old 12-18-2013, 6:23 PM
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Would this be the basic set up to compete or would their be better parts for smoother trigger pull that's set at 4.5lbs(nothing lower if I'm mistaken) and better accuracy?

I live in Carson,CA so I would be able to go to those matches. Do you have any links for these competitions that you are referring to?

Also for the presidents hundred, wouldn't I need to fire 5.56 and not 223 as well as doesn't it need to have a muzzle break?

Also do you know anything about the pistol division?

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Old 12-18-2013, 9:33 PM
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The set-up mentioned above will win you the National Service Rifle championship if you are up to it.

I load my own, so someone else will have to chime in regarding 5.56 vs 223 (but I think either is legal). Load your own, buy it, or have it issued to you (if you're on a team).

I don't think a muzzle brake is legal. You can run an A2 flash hider or nothing.

Don't know anything about pistol.
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Old 12-18-2013, 9:35 PM
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The Geissele trigger is *THE* best "National Match" service rifle legal trigger there is. Unless someone has come out with something better I haven't heard of yet, get the Geissele.

http://smgunclub.org for the SMGC matches.

If you want to try the Pacific Fleet and/or All Navy West, info will be on http://usnst.org.

For Presidents 100 and any other CMP or NRA Service Rifle competitions, there is no rules distinction between .223 variants and 5.56 NATO. Most people are using a .223 Wylde or some other type of special .223 chambering optimized for longer bullets (e.g. 77gr BTHP and 80gr BTHP). Pretty much everyone uses a magazine length cartridge with a 75 or 77gr BTHP for 200 and 300, and an 80gr for 600. There are some people who actually use 77gr magazine length "Across the Course" on all firing lines (e.g. Shawn McKenna shot the same 77gr ammo on 200/300/600 when he won the NTI).

Muzzle brakes are not legal on an M16/AR15 for CMP/NRA Service Rifle competitions. It must be an A2 Flash Hider or no attachment at all.

Note: Even though I shoot a RAW, I still shoot without a A2 Flash Hider. While it has been proven that a rifle with a properly installed A2 FH shoots just as accurate without the FH, an improperly installed A2 FH can actually be detrimental. It's for that reason that I opt to compete without the A2 FH, and also because it's one less thing to have to clean.

I have no experience shooting Bullseye or Service Pistol. If you go to the SMGC website, Captain Sokoff, USMC, is running the pistol program and is conducting the pistol clinic. She took over the pistol director duties earlier this year.

Anyway, the most I can tell you about service pistol is that you need a 1911 or an M9 variant. The key thing about 1911 is that you can't have a beavertail safety, which eliminates a lot of off the shelf guns. If you want an off the shelf 1911 that's legal for CMP Service Pistol, the only one I know about is the Les Baer DCM pistol (and it should be on the CA approved list). Colt released a newer Gold Cup model earlier this year which would be legal out of the box except for the wrap around grip they put on it. Note: The Colt Gold Cup is not on the list. Don Gussler (http://gusslers.com) does rebuild 1911s into competition service pistols. Gussler actually helps run the Pacific Fleet and All Navy West matches, too (USN-RET), so if you already have a 1911, you might just want to have Gussler work on it for you.

You can go with an M9 or commercial M92, which will be legal out of the box, but odds are it won't be competition ready (trigger pull and barrel/slide/frame fit). I don't know of anyone working on Berettas for service pistol use except for one guy on the east coast that the AMU recommended (I'd have to dig through my notebooks to find that info). If you ever get a chance to go to an AMU event and check out their pistols, you will see first hand what a competition grade M9 is like. The frame to slide fit is insanely tight. You have to rack that slide with a vengeance. If you go to SHOT Show in Vegas next month, the AMU should have a booth there with their guns, along with representatives from their different disciplines. The AMU guns are built in-house by the AMU armorers.

As far as the Presidents 100 pistol course of fire , I don't know off the top of my head. Check the CMP rule book (google for the CMP competitions site), but it's definitely going to be shot from 25 and/or 50 yards, all one handed.
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Is their any other complete upper that you recommend because they aren't taking any orders atm fro WOA
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Try Compass Lake Engineering. Otherwise, give Creedmoor Sports (formerly of Oceanside, now in Alabama) a call to see what they have.
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The first year of the Pres 100 shoot off was in 2007(my first time qual for pres 100),I was fortunate to initially be #6, after the the shoot I was #18.
I am a firm believer now that one should not have to repeat a completed course of fire for the excitment of a few spectators.
One may be on a different range other than where the shoot off is held later in the day...conditions change,nothing is the same.I understand being able to adapt ,but to do something twice was a waste of time.
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I shot it in 2010. It was pouring rain during 600 yd stage. I was doing ok up until then, heh. Plan on going back in 2015. There are so many people its crazy. 1000-1200 shooters 6 or 7 relays deep , 150 firing points each on two ranges. If you don't have your s**t wired tight, you are going to be throwing money away shooting it casually. I plan on going back in 2015 after I shoot a few more Pac Fleet matches since I took about a year off.
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Any tips that you guys have and as well as what type of loads and components should I mess with for the best outcome?
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Any tips that you guys have and as well as what type of loads and components should I mess with for the best outcome?
Tips:
  • Dry fire a lot
  • Live fire practice standing a lot
  • Learn to read wind (especially mirage) well enough to judge direction and speed (and changes in direction and speed during a string of fire)
  • Shoot local matches as often as you can to build experience in the match environment

Components I personally use:

200/300 yard lines - 77gr Lapua Scenar, 24.0gr RL15, LC brass, CCI BR4 or Wolf SRM.

600 yard line - 80gr Berger VLD, 24.0gr RL15, Lapua brass, CCI BR4 or Wolf SRM.

I would have no qualms using 77gr Sierra Match King, 75gr Hornady BTHP, 77gr Berger BTHP, or 77gr Nosler BTHP on the 200/300. Also have no issue with using 80gr Sierra Match King on the 600.
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24.0 gr RL-15 across the board. Rolling with the Konrad load.
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23.2 gr 8208 77gr Nosler CC
23.2 gr 8208 80gr A-Max
23.2 gr 8208 82gr Berger HPBT (for extra special joojoo)
23.2 gr 8208 82gr Berger HPBT Mag Length (for when you are at Coalinga at 300 yards and the wind is coming from the LEFT!)
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ninjastar, are you in the Army?

I've shot Army EIC matches before.
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Yes Jamez Im in the army and Im looking to do this not only for promotion points but as well as respect. What's EIC??
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EIC is excellence in competition. It is also called "leg matches" or CMP matches. It is the 50 round version of the National Match Across The Course match. Primary differences being that you get no sighters and you must start both rapid stages from a standing position.
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P100 for bullseye service pistol is as follows

From the 25 yard line
2-5 shot strings timed fire (5 shots in 20 seconds)
2-5 shot strings rapid fire (5 shots in 10 seconds)

From the 50 yard line
2-10 shot strings slow fire (10 shots in 10 minutes)

40 shots total totaling a score of 400 points.

A regular National Match Course is the same but only 1-10 shot slow fire string for a total of 300 points.

If the opportunity presents itself please look into the Pacific Fleet and Navy matches at Camp Pendleton. This year will be late April and will last for 9 days.

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Yes Jamez Im in the army and Im looking to do this not only for promotion points but as well as respect. What's EIC??
Well, if you're looking at President's 100 for the distinction, you may as well go Distinguished as well.

Plus, if you can shoot well enough to make President's 100, you should be able to LEG out without much more effort short of making it to matches.
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Yes Jamez Im in the army and Im looking to do this not only for promotion points but as well as respect. What's EIC??
Are you Cal Gaurd or Army Reserve?

The Cal Guard has the "California Combat Match" every year at Camp San Luis Obispo usually around the 3rd week of August. I'm Cal Guard Army so I don't know if Army Reserves are allowed but I don't know. I've never met any there.

If you place within the top 10% of shooters that don't already have E.I.C (aka leg) points in pistol or rifle then you earn a bronze EIC badge that supercedes your standard basic qualification badge. It's military wide, not just Army.
Also E.I.C rifle/pistol is also reffered to as "service rifle/pistol" because that's what CMP commonly calls it.

Not sure how many promotion points it's worth.

BUT you have to be placed ON ORDERS to the CCM. You can't just show up. CCM does their EIC a bit different:

RIFLE: Farthest shot is 400 yards instead of 600 but you're in full gear and start 25 yards behind your fire point and sprint to the fire point once the targets start to raise.

PISTOL: 30 or 25 yards is the farthest but you don't have to sprint and you ARE in full gear.

Also, you can ONLY use UNIT ISSUED weapons so no match grade fancy pancy weapons.
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